Anonymous
09/20/2016 18:01
Subject: Re:For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Why so much vitrol towards a woman who has already held office and was active in her husbands adminstration. You already know what your getting.
1. Someone who
[right wing nonsense]
20 Etc.
Yes, we know what we are getting.
Aw, dear.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 17:58
Subject: Re:For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Why so much vitrol towards a woman who has already held office and was active in her husbands adminstration. You already know what your getting.
1. Someone who does not take National Security seriously.
2. Someone who is so paranoid about her privacy that she puts it above the law.
3. Someone who lies about little things as well as important things.
4. Someone who is a paramount hypocrite--gouging colleges for speaking fees, while expressing concern over college debt for students.
5. Someone who deceived the president about her advisors (see Blumenthal situation).
6. Someone who claims sympathy for a Gold Star parent--while she has lied to the families of the fallen in Benghazi.
7. Someone who does not understand that she was responsible for the security in Benghazi--you know, she does not understand that "the buck stops here".........she was the boss. Of course, she cannot know everything that goes on, but she is responsible for seeing that her underlings are doing their jobs properly. That is a part of management that she does not understand. You pick good people--but you pay attention to the details from time to time.
8. Someone who has lied to the American people repeatedly.
9. Someone who broke FOIA laws.
10. Someone who broke trust by giving "pay to play" for Clinton Foundation donors. And, yes, I know it is common to give offices to your donors--but this was beyond ridiculous
11. Questionable business practices within State with CGI and government.
12. Gave permission for a full time employee to have two additional jobs while employed by the government.
13. Questionable decisions on the night of Benghazi--State told the military who were prepared to fly out to change uniforms, etc. Then, help was not sent. Unclear who made the decision, but H was involved.
14. Hypocrisy with women--says we have to believe women when they claim they are victims of sexual assault--as long as the assaulter was not WJC.
15. Claims that she has always helped children--yet laughed about her defense of a child rapist when she lived in Arkansas.
16. Out of touch--claimed that she and Bill were "dead broke and in debt" when they left the WH.
17. Tried to cover up health issues.
18. Rose law firm records disappeared after beling "lost" for years.
19. Emails were destroyed AFTER the subpoena.
20 Etc.
Yes, we know what we are getting.
Blah blah blah. If you are Trump supporter you have no leg to stand on. If you are Gary Johnson supporter he basically wants to shut down the federal government, declare weed as legal and hey we can all have a big party smoking weed and having drugs because the country is for the corporation.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 17:49
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
np
And you are given to hyperbole.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 16:12
Subject: Re:For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Why so much vitrol towards a woman who has already held office and was active in her husbands adminstration. You already know what your getting.
1. Someone who does not take National Security seriously.
2. Someone who is so paranoid about her privacy that she puts it above the law.
3. Someone who lies about little things as well as important things.
4. Someone who is a paramount hypocrite--gouging colleges for speaking fees, while expressing concern over college debt for students.
5. Someone who deceived the president about her advisors (see Blumenthal situation).
6. Someone who claims sympathy for a Gold Star parent--while she has lied to the families of the fallen in Benghazi.
7. Someone who does not understand that she was responsible for the security in Benghazi--you know, she does not understand that "the buck stops here".........she was the boss. Of course, she cannot know everything that goes on, but she is responsible for seeing that her underlings are doing their jobs properly. That is a part of management that she does not understand. You pick good people--but you pay attention to the details from time to time.
8. Someone who has lied to the American people repeatedly.
9. Someone who broke FOIA laws.
10. Someone who broke trust by giving "pay to play" for Clinton Foundation donors. And, yes, I know it is common to give offices to your donors--but this was beyond ridiculous
11. Questionable business practices within State with CGI and government.
12. Gave permission for a full time employee to have two additional jobs while employed by the government.
13. Questionable decisions on the night of Benghazi--State told the military who were prepared to fly out to change uniforms, etc. Then, help was not sent. Unclear who made the decision, but H was involved.
14. Hypocrisy with women--says we have to believe women when they claim they are victims of sexual assault--as long as the assaulter was not WJC.
15. Claims that she has always helped children--yet laughed about her defense of a child rapist when she lived in Arkansas.
16. Out of touch--claimed that she and Bill were "dead broke and in debt" when they left the WH.
17. Tried to cover up health issues.
18. Rose law firm records disappeared after beling "lost" for years.
19. Emails were destroyed AFTER the subpoena.
20 Etc.
Yes, we know what we are getting.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 15:46
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
You are using a false standard. Just the fact that Trump ALSO lies doesn't make Hillary's lying any more attractive. Lying is not a good thing even if you lie less than your opposition. Carl Bernstein is hardly a conservative but his profile of Hillary pointed out the same thing. It's OK to acknowledge that this is true without saying that the other guy is even worse. This doesn't make Hillary's flaws disappear. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/opinions/hillary-clinton-biography-carl-bernstein/
What does Carl Bernstein's opinion have to do with anything? Hillary has been proven to tell lies at the rate we all do. Like you. Like me. Donald lies like the rest of us breathe.
You and I are not running for office so no one is judging us through that lens. Don't you think people expect a presidential candidate to be slightly better than Joe Blow? When candidates run on the platform "I'm one of y'all", they don't usually mean "I'm as fucked up as you are."
Carl Bernstein opinion matters because it shows that a) not just rabid conservatives are turned off by her tenuous relationship with the truth, and b) he has access to a lot more information and sources than most people.
For one carl berstein the entire Republican Party doesn't support Trump. Not the past GOP presidents or past nominees or Powell or rice or graham or Cruz or kasich.
Bernstein does not NOT support Hillary. It is possible to support someone yet be completely sober about their flaws.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 15:45
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
You are using a false standard. Just the fact that Trump ALSO lies doesn't make Hillary's lying any more attractive. Lying is not a good thing even if you lie less than your opposition. Carl Bernstein is hardly a conservative but his profile of Hillary pointed out the same thing. It's OK to acknowledge that this is true without saying that the other guy is even worse. This doesn't make Hillary's flaws disappear. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/opinions/hillary-clinton-biography-carl-bernstein/
What does Carl Bernstein's opinion have to do with anything? Hillary has been proven to tell lies at the rate we all do. Like you. Like me. Donald lies like the rest of us breathe.
You and I are not running for office so no one is judging us through that lens. Don't you think people expect a presidential candidate to be slightly better than Joe Blow? When candidates run on the platform "I'm one of y'all", they don't usually mean "I'm as fucked up as you are."
Carl Bernstein opinion matters because it shows that a) not just rabid conservatives are turned off by her tenuous relationship with the truth, and b) he has access to a lot more information and sources than most people.
So what is it, you want to have beer with the president who feels just like ordinary joe BUT you expect the president to be perfect without blemish. Good luck finding such a person coz they are mythical and don't exist.
So the choice is AlWAYS between politicians who like a normal human. In the case of TRUMP he is sociopathic liar, to the point he lies like normal people breathe. So if you like a sociopath he is your guy. Sociopaths are also very charming and easily con others.
I don't want to have a beer with the president. What I expect is to be able to have an actual discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of the preferred candidate without swatting people down or yelling at them to shut up my man is perfect your man is so awful how dare you question my man. What I would like is for the elected candidate to feel accountable for their honesty and integrity and not interpret the popular vote as a popular mandate to keep on lyin'. It's not reaching for the stars to expect the holder of the most powerful office on earth to be truthful. Don't you think it's a reasonable expectation?
Anonymous
09/20/2016 15:33
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
You are using a false standard. Just the fact that Trump ALSO lies doesn't make Hillary's lying any more attractive. Lying is not a good thing even if you lie less than your opposition. Carl Bernstein is hardly a conservative but his profile of Hillary pointed out the same thing. It's OK to acknowledge that this is true without saying that the other guy is even worse. This doesn't make Hillary's flaws disappear. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/opinions/hillary-clinton-biography-carl-bernstein/
What does Carl Bernstein's opinion have to do with anything? Hillary has been proven to tell lies at the rate we all do. Like you. Like me. Donald lies like the rest of us breathe.
You and I are not running for office so no one is judging us through that lens. Don't you think people expect a presidential candidate to be slightly better than Joe Blow? When candidates run on the platform "I'm one of y'all", they don't usually mean "I'm as fucked up as you are."
Carl Bernstein opinion matters because it shows that a) not just rabid conservatives are turned off by her tenuous relationship with the truth, and b) he has access to a lot more information and sources than most people.
For one carl berstein the entire Republican Party doesn't support Trump. Not the past GOP presidents or past nominees or Powell or rice or graham or Cruz or kasich.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 15:30
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
You are using a false standard. Just the fact that Trump ALSO lies doesn't make Hillary's lying any more attractive. Lying is not a good thing even if you lie less than your opposition. Carl Bernstein is hardly a conservative but his profile of Hillary pointed out the same thing. It's OK to acknowledge that this is true without saying that the other guy is even worse. This doesn't make Hillary's flaws disappear. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/opinions/hillary-clinton-biography-carl-bernstein/
What does Carl Bernstein's opinion have to do with anything? Hillary has been proven to tell lies at the rate we all do. Like you. Like me. Donald lies like the rest of us breathe.
You and I are not running for office so no one is judging us through that lens. Don't you think people expect a presidential candidate to be slightly better than Joe Blow? When candidates run on the platform "I'm one of y'all", they don't usually mean "I'm as fucked up as you are."
Carl Bernstein opinion matters because it shows that a) not just rabid conservatives are turned off by her tenuous relationship with the truth, and b) he has access to a lot more information and sources than most people.
So what is it, you want to have beer with the president who feels just like ordinary joe BUT you expect the president to be perfect without blemish. Good luck finding such a person coz they are mythical and don't exist.
So the choice is AlWAYS between politicians who like a normal human. In the case of TRUMP he is sociopathic liar, to the point he lies like normal people breathe. So if you like a sociopath he is your guy. Sociopaths are also very charming and easily con others.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 15:19
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
You are using a false standard. Just the fact that Trump ALSO lies doesn't make Hillary's lying any more attractive. Lying is not a good thing even if you lie less than your opposition. Carl Bernstein is hardly a conservative but his profile of Hillary pointed out the same thing. It's OK to acknowledge that this is true without saying that the other guy is even worse. This doesn't make Hillary's flaws disappear. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/opinions/hillary-clinton-biography-carl-bernstein/
What does Carl Bernstein's opinion have to do with anything? Hillary has been proven to tell lies at the rate we all do. Like you. Like me. Donald lies like the rest of us breathe.
You and I are not running for office so no one is judging us through that lens. Don't you think people expect a presidential candidate to be slightly better than Joe Blow? When candidates run on the platform "I'm one of y'all", they don't usually mean "I'm as fucked up as you are."
Carl Bernstein opinion matters because it shows that a) not just rabid conservatives are turned off by her tenuous relationship with the truth, and b) he has access to a lot more information and sources than most people.
What is your suggestion, we keep the President role open till we find the candidate who does not lie? How about the past presidents - do you think they never lied? It is futile to wait to reject a extremely competent candidate in search of perfection. Yes if i had a magic wand to create my own candidate with the noble characteristics that can compete with GOD, i would. Reality is Clinton or Trump will be the president. I will take a hard working, persistent, smart woman who sometime lies over a clueless egotist man any day.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 13:25
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
You are using a false standard. Just the fact that Trump ALSO lies doesn't make Hillary's lying any more attractive. Lying is not a good thing even if you lie less than your opposition. Carl Bernstein is hardly a conservative but his profile of Hillary pointed out the same thing. It's OK to acknowledge that this is true without saying that the other guy is even worse. This doesn't make Hillary's flaws disappear. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/opinions/hillary-clinton-biography-carl-bernstein/
What does Carl Bernstein's opinion have to do with anything? Hillary has been proven to tell lies at the rate we all do. Like you. Like me. Donald lies like the rest of us breathe.
You and I are not running for office so no one is judging us through that lens. Don't you think people expect a presidential candidate to be slightly better than Joe Blow? When candidates run on the platform "I'm one of y'all", they don't usually mean "I'm as fucked up as you are."
Carl Bernstein opinion matters because it shows that a) not just rabid conservatives are turned off by her tenuous relationship with the truth, and b) he has access to a lot more information and sources than most people.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 13:19
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
You are using a false standard. Just the fact that Trump ALSO lies doesn't make Hillary's lying any more attractive. Lying is not a good thing even if you lie less than your opposition. Carl Bernstein is hardly a conservative but his profile of Hillary pointed out the same thing. It's OK to acknowledge that this is true without saying that the other guy is even worse. This doesn't make Hillary's flaws disappear. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/opinions/hillary-clinton-biography-carl-bernstein/
What does Carl Bernstein's opinion have to do with anything? Hillary has been proven to tell lies at the rate we all do. Like you. Like me. Donald lies like the rest of us breathe.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 13:10
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
She has one area of extreme competence:
pathological lying.
You are driven by hate. Show us your alternative and we will show you the lying they are engaged in. If you tolerate that and hold it against Hillary, tell us what is the actual reasons you do not like her. It will say something about your core belief.
You are using a false standard. Just the fact that Trump ALSO lies doesn't make Hillary's lying any more attractive. Lying is not a good thing even if you lie less than your opposition. Carl Bernstein is hardly a conservative but his profile of Hillary pointed out the same thing. It's OK to acknowledge that this is true without saying that the other guy is even worse. This doesn't make Hillary's flaws disappear. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/opinions/hillary-clinton-biography-carl-bernstein/
Anonymous
09/20/2016 09:29
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I absolutely lover her and am concerned that she's portryaed so horribly by the media
I love that we have an opportunity to elect one of best candidates of our times. Her intelligence, preparedness and perseverance and humility makes her unique. I am saddened by the amount of hatred she has to bear. It explains how much harder it is for a woman to be normal human being. I am glad that she has flaws though, that makes the achievement even more special. We do not need a flawless angel to be first woman president. She is plenty good, better than most men who have served as President.
I actually like her too. But it's like admitting you like broccoli, instead of just tolerating it because chocolate cake is bad for you.
Love your description. I actually enjoy Broccoli.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 09:28
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And what mess would that be? When her husband left office the economy was best its been in years. I dont see nyc in shambles following her leaving departure in senate.
I whether or not you agree with her politics she is an extremely competent indvidual who does have a vested interest in helping others.
And he had little to nothing to do with that but one hell of a lot to do with the housing bubble and finance fiasco.
So he had nothing to do with the good things happening during his administration, but everything to do with the bad things happening LONG after his administration. Legit.
Anonymous
09/20/2016 09:27
Subject: For those who would really like to know Hillary beyond the caricature
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder for the Hilary haters on the site, what is the alternative? Trump? another top tier canddiate? Why so much vitrol towards a woman who has already held office and was active in her husbands adminstration. You already know what your getting.
Who said, wherever Hillary goes, she makes a mess? Colin Powell, I think. He was obviously being polite in his description of her mayhem.
You are hater and using Colin Powell's statement to justify your hate. Otherwise if you respect Powelll's statement you would have talked about what he said about the alternative and also how he also talked about eventually planning to endorse Hillary, no?