^ Okay but in all seriousness, if she wants to do something that is not a traditionally employable field, go to Brown, because the school brand matters a lot for humanities, and employers who recruit from Brown don't care about the major as much as as the fact that the students went to Brown.

As a graduate in creative writing, she can still get a $80K consulting job out of Brown. Not so true at Michigan, where recruiting happens by major.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe Brown is worth more than $160k more than Mich over the lifetime of your kid who will have a much better chance of getting a higher paying job and better prep for grad school than at Mich.

+1 esp. when you factor in the sort of husband she's more likely to meet either at Brown or through Brown connections

You folks are scary.

Let's throw $160k down the toilet...in case it helps you find a husband?

Can you please show us the ROI analysis?

Meets husband in college, gets married to a banker making $180K/yr. Takes maybe 3 years of his income to make up for $160K!

Yikes, the husband comments are frightening. Student loan debt can be crippling. I'm the PP who said go to Michigan then spend the $ on grad school. Does your daughter know what she wants to study? Is Brown a significantly stronger program than Michigan? If she's undecided definitely go for Michigan. Even if you spend 2 years at Michigan and then transfer, that's a huge savings.

I chose an extremely expensive private school over public university, because I had great financial aid and the private university had the top program for what I wanted to study. All that being said, an undergraduate degree is not as valuable as it used to be. I had to work a lot while in school and still pay off loans later.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe Brown is worth more than $160k more than Mich over the lifetime of your kid who will have a much better chance of getting a higher paying job and better prep for grad school than at Mich.

+1 esp. when you factor in the sort of husband she's more likely to meet either at Brown or through Brown connections

You folks are scary.

Let's throw $160k down the toilet...in case it helps you find a husband?

Can you please show us the ROI analysis?

Anonymous wrote:I believe Brown is worth more than $160k more than Mich over the lifetime of your kid who will have a much better chance of getting a higher paying job and better prep for grad school than at Mich.

+1 esp. when you factor in the sort of husband she's more likely to meet either at Brown or through Brown connections

Anonymous wrote:Michigan was named the top public university in the country. Go to Michigan and use the $ for grad school. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/09/06/University-of-Michigan-ranks-as-best-US-public-college-in-worldwide-list/6841473181887/

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Anonymous wrote:I believe Brown is worth more than $160k more than Mich over the lifetime of your kid who will have a much better chance of getting a higher paying job and better prep for grad school than at Mich.

I tend to agree.

Anonymous wrote:Michigan was named the top public university in the country. Go to Michigan and use the $ for grad school. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/09/06/University-of-Michigan-ranks-as-best-US-public-college-in-worldwide-list/6841473181887/

That has far more to do with it's grad programs and research -- very little to do with undergrad, which is a zoo.

Michigan was named the top public university in the country. Go to Michigan and use the $ for grad school. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/09/06/University-of-Michigan-ranks-as-best-US-public-college-in-worldwide-list/6841473181887/

I believe Brown is worth more than $160k more than Mich over the lifetime of your kid who will have a much better chance of getting a higher paying job and better prep for grad school than at Mich.

John Krazinski from the Office and Emma Watson went to Brown Both look pretty preppy and straight-shooter-ish to me. It's not ground zero for black lives matters and safe spaces.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know who gets into Brown today? Kids that don't get into HYPMS but get in pretty much everywhere else they apply. Which means they have 1550 SATs, and unweighted 4.0s, and have demonstrated some kind of sustained commitment to an academic or extracurricular pursuit that sets them apart from the 1550/4.0 kids that don't get into Brown.

Nailed it. The days of elite colleges having unique "vibes" is so out of date. UChicago used to be quirky and quanty; the only thing quirky about UChicago are their brochures and essay questions trying to cling to the atmosphere of yore. Any differences in the elites these days are marketing and nostalgia.

Have to disagree with this -- I have a nephew at Brown and another at Chicago -- very different kids, very different schools.

Oh neat, an anecdote.

Anonymous wrote:I would let me kid go to just about any univeristy OTHER than Brown. Brown is the 'safe place' and 'microaggression' capital of higher ed. No thanks.

+1.

But OP's DD may be into that vibe? Perhaps his boyfriend is a BLM activist trying to get in there too?

I still don't get the UMich vs Brown dilemma. They have little to do with each other. And plenty better schools to consider at full-pay

There have been some dramatic changes and some convergences as well as some role reversals, but I think there are still significant differences among the top schools. You can get a great education at any of them, but it'll be a different education depending on which you choose. Not sure most people care about the education though.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know who gets into Brown today? Kids that don't get into HYPMS but get in pretty much everywhere else they apply. Which means they have 1550 SATs, and unweighted 4.0s, and have demonstrated some kind of sustained commitment to an academic or extracurricular pursuit that sets them apart from the 1550/4.0 kids that don't get into Brown.

Nailed it. The days of elite colleges having unique "vibes" is so out of date. UChicago used to be quirky and quanty; the only thing quirky about UChicago are their brochures and essay questions trying to cling to the atmosphere of yore. Any differences in the elites these days are marketing and nostalgia.

Have to disagree with this -- I have a nephew at Brown and another at Chicago -- very different kids, very different schools.