Anonymous
10/18/2023 22:18
Subject: s/o What happened to Natalie Holloway?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:exactly. it is NOT victim blaming to point out that getting drunk has risks.
It is, actually. That is the definition of victim blaming.
What’s wrong with victim blaming? Are you telling your teenage daughters that it’s perfectly fine to go get drunk at the age of 18 and leave a bar with a strange guy? People who die while drunk driving, people who don’t wear helmets while riding a bike, people who go on hikes in the desert without enough water - it’s a tragedy when some of them die, but acknowledging that they were being reckless is how we learn not to make the same mistakes ourselves.
Legal drinking again Aruba is 18. Yes it absolutely ok for her to have a drink. Yes it absolutely ok for her to have sex. What's NOT OK is the guy killing her.
Of course it’s not ok for him to kill her. But saying that everything is fine as long as it’s legal is an inane argument. It’s legal to do a lot of risky behaviors. It’s legal to buy a gun and sleep with it loaded under your pillow, but most of us wouldn’t recommend it. It’s legal to go out for a midnight jog along the street wearing all black, but most of us wouldn’t recommend it.
She absolutely didn’t deserve to be killed, but if the witnesses were correct about how drunk she was, then her choices endangered her. Just like teens who pile into a car with the radio blaring and get distracted, like people who go for a day hike and don’t pack extra layers/water in case. They don’t deserve bad things, but it’s naive to think actions don’t have consequences.
I can’t believe you’re equating dangerous driving with being raped and killed. The ONLY person who is responsible for her choice in this situation is the rapist and murderer. If she passed out and got a fatal head wound, you would have a point. The problem was that the guy she met was a rapist and a murderer.
She could have been drugged. Stop victim blaming.
It’s moot at this point because we will never know what really happened. But if you want to avoid being a victim of violent crime, not getting blackout drunk, not leaving bars with strangers, not keeping a gun in a house with kids, or not having one in your house at all, not using drugs, and not flipping off angry drivers are sensible precautions.
Are you saying that after this incident, you wouldn’t tell your teenage daughter - hey, next time you are on a tropical island, don’t over drink and leave the bar with a stranger? If so, you are victim blaming. I am from mountain brook, the home of the victim, so I know the agony that the community has gone through. Believe me, all the mtn brook moms tell their daughters about Holloway as a cautionary tale.
You’re still victim blaming. She didn’t fall and get hurt. The problem was a homicidal man who didn’t like being rejected who has now killed two women. He is the problem. Drunk women who leave a bar with a nice guy who isn’t a rapist and murderer get a ride home or a couch to sleep on.
I used to live in the area too. Girls still drink too much and go in those island trips their senior year.
Anonymous
10/18/2023 22:00
Subject: s/o What happened to Natalie Holloway?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:exactly. it is NOT victim blaming to point out that getting drunk has risks.
It is, actually. That is the definition of victim blaming.
What’s wrong with victim blaming? Are you telling your teenage daughters that it’s perfectly fine to go get drunk at the age of 18 and leave a bar with a strange guy? People who die while drunk driving, people who don’t wear helmets while riding a bike, people who go on hikes in the desert without enough water - it’s a tragedy when some of them die, but acknowledging that they were being reckless is how we learn not to make the same mistakes ourselves.
Legal drinking again Aruba is 18. Yes it absolutely ok for her to have a drink. Yes it absolutely ok for her to have sex. What's NOT OK is the guy killing her.
Of course it’s not ok for him to kill her. But saying that everything is fine as long as it’s legal is an inane argument. It’s legal to do a lot of risky behaviors. It’s legal to buy a gun and sleep with it loaded under your pillow, but most of us wouldn’t recommend it. It’s legal to go out for a midnight jog along the street wearing all black, but most of us wouldn’t recommend it.
She absolutely didn’t deserve to be killed, but if the witnesses were correct about how drunk she was, then her choices endangered her. Just like teens who pile into a car with the radio blaring and get distracted, like people who go for a day hike and don’t pack extra layers/water in case. They don’t deserve bad things, but it’s naive to think actions don’t have consequences.
I can’t believe you’re equating dangerous driving with being raped and killed. The ONLY person who is responsible for her choice in this situation is the rapist and murderer. If she passed out and got a fatal head wound, you would have a point. The problem was that the guy she met was a rapist and a murderer.
She could have been drugged. Stop victim blaming.
It’s moot at this point because we will never know what really happened. But if you want to avoid being a victim of violent crime, not getting blackout drunk, not leaving bars with strangers, not keeping a gun in a house with kids, or not having one in your house at all, not using drugs, and not flipping off angry drivers are sensible precautions.
Are you saying that after this incident, you wouldn’t tell your teenage daughter - hey, next time you are on a tropical island, don’t over drink and leave the bar with a stranger? If so, you are victim blaming. I am from mountain brook, the home of the victim, so I know the agony that the community has gone through. Believe me, all the mtn brook moms tell their daughters about Holloway as a cautionary tale.