Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:57     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


Wow. I guess someone has realized that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions so it is simply better to declare criticism of Israel to be out of bounds. Are you one of those people who complains about liberals being PC? Do you hate "safe places" on college campuses?

Would you say that criticism of Iran or Saudi Arabia is anti-Islamic?

1) What I hate is the antisemtic BDS movement spreading through college campuses and stirring up violent acts of antisemitism.

2) And criticism of Iran is definitely a criticism of the Islamic culture, yes. Just as criticism of isrsel is anti-Jewish.


And should be, I might add. Iran was a very westernized country - my Baha'i friends left as children with the massive persecution that began to take place. They remain modernized and westernized to this day. Iran has now mostly fallen to Islamic religious control, and Turkey is well on her way. Iran has proven to be anything but broad-minded towards women and LGBT individuals, to liberal pet causes.



Iran may not be culturally broad minded toward women, but they continue to educate women which begun under Shah Reza Pahlavi at the behest of Farah Diba. Many of the professionals, and a majority of the physicians, in Iran are women.
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:53     Subject: Re:Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
The Jews were in Israel 3300 years ago, way before Islam was born. The Jews got kicked out, just like they've been persecuted and expelled (and gassed!) for their entire existence. Yet all the sympathy, all the time, goes to the Arabs.


The value of claims diminishes, relative to conflicting claims, as the centuries pass. A 3,000-year-old claim without continuity is not worth the paper it is not written on. Whom did the ancient Jews take it from, or was it their God who gave it to them?

You need to ask why Jews have been "persecuted and expelled (and gassed!)" for their entire existence.

And the argument it's because they are "God's chosen people" is a non-starter.
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:52     Subject: Re:Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
How come my posts with youtube links on the massacre on Sabra and Shitila got deleted?

This was an Israeli government sponsored war crime where over 3,000 civilians were slaughtered. Maybe seeing the awful truth would help the OP understand that what happened in 1982 is like 9/11 for the people of Lebanon.

Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:51     Subject: Re:Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
jsteele wrote:I'm enjoying the circle jerk going on between the two pro-Israel posters. The two of you have so much in common that I almost wonder if it is one poster with two computers. Both of you routinely negatively stereotype all Muslims based on the actions of a few, spout blatant falsehoods about Islam, and call for collective action against all Muslims. Yet, you squeal to high heaven when a specific Israeli policy is criticized. The fact that you consider criticism of a specific government policy to the the same general prejudice against an entire religion explains a lot about your thinking.

Also, why is it that both of you can't confine yourself to a single response to one of my posts. Both of you routinely reply multiple times. Do you just not take time to collect your thoughts and have to reply again after you've thought about it more, or are you trying to make it appear that there are more than just two of you?

Edit to add: It is also pretty funny that you two are engaged in an off-topic discussion about free speech, criticizing me, on my website, and essentially trying to provoke me into deleting your posts.


You consistently and constantly provide excuses for terrorists, by divorcing them from their actions, claiming it was mental illness. You went as far as saying Allahu Akbar shouted at a terrorist attack means nothing - it's shouted when finding lost car keys. Excuses and dilution.

No one has to invoke you re: deleting posts. You will often make some declarative statement, then delete all posts that refute it, so your post is the last one on the thread, i.e. the definitive word. Your site, your prerogative, but please don't suggest that's even-handed. In fact, you have repeatedly stated, 'my site, my rules'. You are correct about that. Only you can decide whether or not that will hinder growth. Pendulums swing.

Regarding multiple posts, it's human nature to not sit back and collect all thoughts in a heated discussion, thus multiple posts. I guess you can see that as reason to delete, if you want to feel beat up on, rather than just opinions. I don't know many people in live conversation that sit back, collect all their thoughts, THEN speak. Must bring up multiple points, and not all in one breath.
jsteele
Post 08/07/2016 09:42     Subject: Re:Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
I'm enjoying the circle jerk going on between the two pro-Israel posters. The two of you have so much in common that I almost wonder if it is one poster with two computers. Both of you routinely negatively stereotype all Muslims based on the actions of a few, spout blatant falsehoods about Islam, and call for collective action against all Muslims. Yet, you squeal to high heaven when a specific Israeli policy is criticized. The fact that you consider criticism of a specific government policy to the the same general prejudice against an entire religion explains a lot about your thinking.

Also, why is it that both of you can't confine yourself to a single response to one of my posts. Both of you routinely reply multiple times. Do you just not take time to collect your thoughts and have to reply again after you've thought about it more, or are you trying to make it appear that there are more than just two of you?

Edit to add: It is also pretty funny that you two are engaged in an off-topic discussion about free speech, criticizing me, on my website, and essentially trying to provoke me into deleting your posts.
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:41     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


Wow. I guess someone has realized that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions so it is simply better to declare criticism of Israel to be out of bounds. Are you one of those people who complains about liberals being PC? Do you hate "safe places" on college campuses?

Would you say that criticism of Iran or Saudi Arabia is anti-Islamic?


Coming from someone who defends all Muslims at every turn...

Yay!! Thank you. I brought that uo earlier, too. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black.


I saw that! Good job!!

Thanks again. I'm afraid I'm about to be banned from the site, though. I've heard rumors that Jeff does that, and I hope it isn't true.


It's true, but there are ways around it. The 'dark side' has mad skills

I know what you're referring to. But honestly, I feel that if Jeff chooses to shut down speech of dissenting opinions, I'm not going to bother with work-arounds.


I used to feel that way. Ken Cuccinelli taught me otherwise. I respect your decision, though and I fully understand it.

FWIW, I hope I'm not banned for expressing a dissenting opinion. While this is a private site and rules of free speech do not apply, it is telling when free speech is shut down. Like the old Soviet Union or something! So, we'll see.....
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:27     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


Wow. I guess someone has realized that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions so it is simply better to declare criticism of Israel to be out of bounds. Are you one of those people who complains about liberals being PC? Do you hate "safe places" on college campuses?

Would you say that criticism of Iran or Saudi Arabia is anti-Islamic?


Coming from someone who defends all Muslims at every turn...

Yay!! Thank you. I brought that uo earlier, too. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black.


I saw that! Good job!!

Thanks again. I'm afraid I'm about to be banned from the site, though. I've heard rumors that Jeff does that, and I hope it isn't true.


It's true, but there are ways around it. The 'dark side' has mad skills

I know what you're referring to. But honestly, I feel that if Jeff chooses to shut down speech of dissenting opinions, I'm not going to bother with work-arounds.


sort of like the Ds and Rs shutting out the Is during primaries
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:25     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


lol

I guess Sanders is self-loathing b/c he declined to speak at an AIPAC gathering.


“A Zionist? What does that mean? Want to define what the word is? Do I think Israel has the right to exist? Yeah, I do. Do I believe that the United States should be playing an even-handed role in terms of its dealings with the Palestinian community in Israel? Absolutely I do.

“Again, I think that you have volatile regions in the world, the Middle East is one of them, and the United States has got to work with other countries around the world to fight for Israel's security and existence at the same time as we fight for a Palestinian state where the people in that country can enjoy a decent standard of living, which is certainly not the case right now. My long-term hope is that instead of pouring so much military aid into Israel, into Egypt, we can provide more economic aid to help improve the standard of living of the people in that area.”

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.671646

In the 2017 budget proposal, the US is giving Israel 3.1 billion in security assistance.

Yes, he is self-loathing. You find that more among secular, non-prwcticing (or minimally practicing) Jews. It's actually a problem.


Blurring the lines between religion and politics is the problem.

I admire Bernie for having the balls to stand up to one-sided thinkers. He didn't blast Israel b/c he understands that rabid adherents will never go away. He took a more balanced approach.

I'm an ex-Catholic/atheist. I can't stand the fact that people allow themselves to be ruled by archaic thinking. However, I'm also a realist who realizes that most people need guidance - and if that comes in the form of some fairy god with its own weird rules, then so be it.

The Jews I know who are secular place their "faith" in science. I don't think that's a problem.

Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:24     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


Wow. I guess someone has realized that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions so it is simply better to declare criticism of Israel to be out of bounds. Are you one of those people who complains about liberals being PC? Do you hate "safe places" on college campuses?

Would you say that criticism of Iran or Saudi Arabia is anti-Islamic?


Coming from someone who defends all Muslims at every turn...

Yay!! Thank you. I brought that uo earlier, too. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black.


I saw that! Good job!!

Thanks again. I'm afraid I'm about to be banned from the site, though. I've heard rumors that Jeff does that, and I hope it isn't true.


It's true, but there are ways around it. The 'dark side' has mad skills

I know what you're referring to. But honestly, I feel that if Jeff chooses to shut down speech of dissenting opinions, I'm not going to bother with work-arounds.


I used to feel that way. Ken Cuccinelli taught me otherwise. I respect your decision, though and I fully understand it.
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:23     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Let me put it this way: If you are renter and someone offers your landlord big money for the house you rent, they are allowed to accept that offer, and at the end of the term of your lease, you have to leave. I think we can all agree here.

Jews bought land from owners that Palestinian farmers leased. The farmers were then evicted by the lessors. Sucks but the leasee did not own the land to begin with.
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:19     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


Wow. I guess someone has realized that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions so it is simply better to declare criticism of Israel to be out of bounds. Are you one of those people who complains about liberals being PC? Do you hate "safe places" on college campuses?

Would you say that criticism of Iran or Saudi Arabia is anti-Islamic?


Coming from someone who defends all Muslims at every turn...

Yay!! Thank you. I brought that uo earlier, too. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black.


I saw that! Good job!!

Thanks again. I'm afraid I'm about to be banned from the site, though. I've heard rumors that Jeff does that, and I hope it isn't true.


It's true, but there are ways around it. The 'dark side' has mad skills

I know what you're referring to. But honestly, I feel that if Jeff chooses to shut down speech of dissenting opinions, I'm not going to bother with work-arounds.
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:19     Subject: Re:Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the Israelis are so keen to share buses with others, perhaps they could also share land and natural resources as well and stop repressing the Palestinians. Until they do, it's very hard to get worked up about this.


+1


The Jew-hating Arabs were offered a two-state solution when Israel was formed in 1948, but they refused. They weren't interested in "sharing" because they did not - and still do not! - recognize Israel's right to exist. They have said repeatedly that they want every Jew wiped out of Israel. Israel needs land to protect itself from people sworn to its destruction.




You have to admit that the deck was loaded in favor of Israel in 1948. The western world's guilt -- particularly Britian and the US -- about what they had allowed to happen to the Jews of Europe was politically overwhelming. The British were still in full colonail power mode and described the Palestinians as powerless date and olive growers, i.e., ignorant farmers and the type of people England found easy to colonize for centuries. The Palestinians did not have a chance against Old Blighty.

Now with the on going support of the US, Israel has crushed and oppressed Israel and continues to take Palestinian land at will.

You, PP, saw a ittle narrow minded not to understand the hatred of the Palestinians for Israel. Think of how the Jews felt when Hitler nationalized all of their property.


Ever hear of the Jewish Fund?

Sounds like the Palestinian beef should be with the UN and with Britain, not Israel.
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:14     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


Wow. I guess someone has realized that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions so it is simply better to declare criticism of Israel to be out of bounds. Are you one of those people who complains about liberals being PC? Do you hate "safe places" on college campuses?

Would you say that criticism of Iran or Saudi Arabia is anti-Islamic?


Coming from someone who defends all Muslims at every turn...

Yay!! Thank you. I brought that uo earlier, too. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black.


I saw that! Good job!!

Thanks again. I'm afraid I'm about to be banned from the site, though. I've heard rumors that Jeff does that, and I hope it isn't true.


It's true, but there are ways around it. The 'dark side' has mad skills
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:13     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


Wow. I guess someone has realized that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions so it is simply better to declare criticism of Israel to be out of bounds. Are you one of those people who complains about liberals being PC? Do you hate "safe places" on college campuses?

Would you say that criticism of Iran or Saudi Arabia is anti-Islamic?

1) What I hate is the antisemtic BDS movement spreading through college campuses and stirring up violent acts of antisemitism.

2) And criticism of Iran is definitely a criticism of the Islamic culture, yes. Just as criticism of isrsel is anti-Jewish.


And should be, I might add. Iran was a very westernized country - my Baha'i friends left as children with the massive persecution that began to take place. They remain modernized and westernized to this day. Iran has now mostly fallen to Islamic religious control, and Turkey is well on her way. Iran has proven to be anything but broad-minded towards women and LGBT individuals, to liberal pet causes.
Anonymous
Post 08/07/2016 09:11     Subject: Busload of Lebanese Olympians refuse to let Israeli team on bus!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there is essentially no difference between being anti-Israel and antisemitic.


Wow. I guess someone has realized that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions so it is simply better to declare criticism of Israel to be out of bounds. Are you one of those people who complains about liberals being PC? Do you hate "safe places" on college campuses?

Would you say that criticism of Iran or Saudi Arabia is anti-Islamic?


Coming from someone who defends all Muslims at every turn...

Yay!! Thank you. I brought that uo earlier, too. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black.


I saw that! Good job!!

Thanks again. I'm afraid I'm about to be banned from the site, though. I've heard rumors that Jeff does that, and I hope it isn't true.