Anonymous
Post 07/27/2016 23:46     Subject: Do you love your FCPS elementary school?
Society is highly segregated by class and income, both of which are a proxy for intelligence given that much of highly paid W2 style work requires high intelligence. I work as an engineer, and mostly socialize with those who work in the sciences. I'm not arguing that highly intelligent people are better, but disagree with your position about my preference being abnormal.

If you are highly intelligent, which I define as at least two or more standard deviations above the norm (130+IQ), it is more difficult to relate to those within 1 deviation of the norm. You find you have to more or less hide your intelligence, or people will not understand you, or will see you as a threat, or may think you are "wierd/different" or will think you come off as highly arrogant.


I work in an office with many engineers, scientists, etc., as well. There are a large number of admin and support staff. And large numbers of non-science related white collar jobs. I wholeheartedly disagree with what you've said.


Society isn't segregated by class and income? Wow, all those scientists and engineers, why they live in the ghetto!

Admin and support staff, the people that scientists and engineers disparage (behind closed doors, there is a lot of arrogance among STEM people who think they are overly important)? A good technical manager keeps the engineers and scientists away from those people so they can focus on getting the job done. Do those scientists and engineers socialize with the non technical staff? Do attorneys primarily socialize with the mailroom staff? Now with people working from home, you can be even more selective with whom you spend your time.

Now given assortative mating patterns, high IQ people tend to marry other high IQ and highly educated people, and concentrate themselves into specific communities.

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21595972-how-sexual-equality-increases-gap-between-rich-and-poor-households-sex-brains-and

What do you disagree with specifically?

Anonymous
Post 07/27/2016 23:38     Subject: Do you love your FCPS elementary school?
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Anonymous wrote:Small school. Kids are very aware if they are the smart kids in AAP or they're not. Awful. The whole FCPS model of centers, of separating kids in 3rd grade is awful. My fault I didn't know enough when we moved to FCPS. Would not have moved here.


Which school?


Maybe your fault for not having a smart kid?


Even if you have a "smart" kid, they need to learn to get on with the rest of the world. Segregating them or any other subgroup of kiddos isn't right. I see that as a huge issue with FFX schools. There's a box for everyone and everyone stays in their box.


Not FCPS student, but I was tracked in school for most classes. Much better experience as I was able to relate to my peers in those classes in terms of social interests, and quickness on their feet. Work in high technology now and prefer not to mix with "normal" people.


And you think this is good for society because?


I put myself and my kids before society at large. I presume most people aren't sacrificing their kids for the benefit of society at large.

Socially speaking, highly intelligent people aren't really well liked by normal people, unless they have high emotional intelligence, or conceal their mental faculties. Putting kids into a higher level program will keep them from being bored and encourages them to keep on learning rather than be disruptive.
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Post 07/27/2016 23:33     Subject: Do you love your FCPS elementary school?
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Anonymous wrote:Small school. Kids are very aware if they are the smart kids in AAP or they're not. Awful. The whole FCPS model of centers, of separating kids in 3rd grade is awful. My fault I didn't know enough when we moved to FCPS. Would not have moved here.


Which school?


Maybe your fault for not having a smart kid?


Even if you have a "smart" kid, they need to learn to get on with the rest of the world. Segregating them or any other subgroup of kiddos isn't right. I see that as a huge issue with FFX schools. There's a box for everyone and everyone stays in their box.


Not FCPS student, but I was tracked in school for most classes. Much better experience as I was able to relate to my peers in those classes in terms of social interests, and quickness on their feet. Work in high technology now and prefer not to mix with "normal" people.


Society is not separated into AAP v. Non-AAP. And your characterization of your "preference" is not normal.

My DD could have gone AAP but we didn't. After volunteering in class this year at one of the few events where they mix the AAP kids with "Gen Ed", I can't say I regret. These kids -not all but the vast majority- were the most socially awkward, hypersensitive, competitive, rules-obsessed kids I've ever met. I actually felt sorry for them. My DD would not have been happy there.

I will also add that I knew few adults who were in any kind of "AAP" program, in VA or the equivalent in other states. The most successful folks I know were not AAP. AAP is unnecessary and over-used. An AAP teacher at our school told me it is "not a truly gifted program" due to the pushing and prepping and demands by parents.



Society is highly segregated by class and income, both of which are a proxy for intelligence given that much of highly paid W2 style work requires high intelligence. I work as an engineer, and mostly socialize with those who work in the sciences. I'm not arguing that highly intelligent people are better, but disagree with your position about my preference being abnormal.

If you are highly intelligent, which I define as at least two or more standard deviations above the norm (130+IQ), it is more difficult to relate to those within 1 deviation of the norm. You find you have to more or less hide your intelligence, or people will not understand you, or will see you as a threat, or may think you are "wierd/different" or will think you come off as highly arrogant.


I work in an office with many engineers, scientists, etc., as well. There are a large number of admin and support staff. And large numbers of non-science related white collar jobs. I wholeheartedly disagree with what you've said.
Anonymous
Post 07/27/2016 23:23     Subject: Do you love your FCPS elementary school?
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Anonymous wrote:Small school. Kids are very aware if they are the smart kids in AAP or they're not. Awful. The whole FCPS model of centers, of separating kids in 3rd grade is awful. My fault I didn't know enough when we moved to FCPS. Would not have moved here.


Which school?


Maybe your fault for not having a smart kid?


Even if you have a "smart" kid, they need to learn to get on with the rest of the world. Segregating them or any other subgroup of kiddos isn't right. I see that as a huge issue with FFX schools. There's a box for everyone and everyone stays in their box.


Not FCPS student, but I was tracked in school for most classes. Much better experience as I was able to relate to my peers in those classes in terms of social interests, and quickness on their feet. Work in high technology now and prefer not to mix with "normal" people.


Society is not separated into AAP v. Non-AAP. And your characterization of your "preference" is not normal.

My DD could have gone AAP but we didn't. After volunteering in class this year at one of the few events where they mix the AAP kids with "Gen Ed", I can't say I regret. These kids -not all but the vast majority- were the most socially awkward, hypersensitive, competitive, rules-obsessed kids I've ever met. I actually felt sorry for them. My DD would not have been happy there.

I will also add that I knew few adults who were in any kind of "AAP" program, in VA or the equivalent in other states. The most successful folks I know were not AAP. AAP is unnecessary and over-used. An AAP teacher at our school told me it is "not a truly gifted program" due to the pushing and prepping and demands by parents.



Society is highly segregated by class and income, both of which are a proxy for intelligence given that much of highly paid W2 style work requires high intelligence. I work as an engineer, and mostly socialize with those who work in the sciences. I'm not arguing that highly intelligent people are better, but disagree with your position about my preference being abnormal.

If you are highly intelligent, which I define as at least two or more standard deviations above the norm (130+IQ), it is more difficult to relate to those within 1 deviation of the norm. You find you have to more or less hide your intelligence, or people will not understand you, or will see you as a threat, or may think you are "wierd/different" or will think you come off as highly arrogant.
Anonymous
Post 07/27/2016 22:54     Subject: Do you love your FCPS elementary school?
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Anonymous wrote:Small school. Kids are very aware if they are the smart kids in AAP or they're not. Awful. The whole FCPS model of centers, of separating kids in 3rd grade is awful. My fault I didn't know enough when we moved to FCPS. Would not have moved here.


Which school?


Maybe your fault for not having a smart kid?


Even if you have a "smart" kid, they need to learn to get on with the rest of the world. Segregating them or any other subgroup of kiddos isn't right. I see that as a huge issue with FFX schools. There's a box for everyone and everyone stays in their box.


Not FCPS student, but I was tracked in school for most classes. Much better experience as I was able to relate to my peers in those classes in terms of social interests, and quickness on their feet. Work in high technology now and prefer not to mix with "normal" people.


Thank you for illustrating so beautifully just how asinine segregated AAP actually is. It produces adults like yourself.
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Post 07/27/2016 22:52     Subject: Do you love your FCPS elementary school?
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Anonymous wrote:Curious--has anyone found the AAP/Gen Ed dynamic to be problematic at a Local Level IV school or is this mostly just a Center problem?


I've spoken to neighbors who had kids in Gen Ed who have said the AAP/Gen Ed dynamic is bad because their kids know exactly who is in AAP and are considered "smart" kids and who were the "dumb" kids. And that there's basically zero mixing between the two groups. I think our school only added Level IV services a few years ago, so maybe they are still getting the kinks out.

My kid only just finished K, so I have no first hand experience with the AAP stuff. So far, based on one year, I have loved our FCPS school. (Lees Corner) Awesome K teacher, and the one bad 1st grade teacher that everyone was worried about getting left before the school year ended, yay!


This dynamic isn't due to the school only recently adding LLIV. My kids have attended both well-established LLIV schools and centers, and the AAP/Gen Ed divide is alive and well, regardless of how long the program has been around. While the kids "mix" during specials and recess, in actuality they still keep to their own groups. The schools pay lip-service to the whole "mixing" business, but it doesn't mean the kids actually become good friends with kids in the other group. The whole system has ruined what used to be the community school.
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Post 07/27/2016 22:03     Subject: Do you love your FCPS elementary school?
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Anonymous wrote:Small school. Kids are very aware if they are the smart kids in AAP or they're not. Awful. The whole FCPS model of centers, of separating kids in 3rd grade is awful. My fault I didn't know enough when we moved to FCPS. Would not have moved here.


Which school?


Maybe your fault for not having a smart kid?


Even if you have a "smart" kid, they need to learn to get on with the rest of the world. Segregating them or any other subgroup of kiddos isn't right. I see that as a huge issue with FFX schools. There's a box for everyone and everyone stays in their box.


Not FCPS student, but I was tracked in school for most classes. Much better experience as I was able to relate to my peers in those classes in terms of social interests, and quickness on their feet. Work in high technology now and prefer not to mix with "normal" people.


Society is not separated into AAP v. Non-AAP. And your characterization of your "preference" is not normal.

My DD could have gone AAP but we didn't. After volunteering in class this year at one of the few events where they mix the AAP kids with "Gen Ed", I can't say I regret. These kids -not all but the vast majority- were the most socially awkward, hypersensitive, competitive, rules-obsessed kids I've ever met. I actually felt sorry for them. My DD would not have been happy there.

I will also add that I knew few adults who were in any kind of "AAP" program, in VA or the equivalent in other states. The most successful folks I know were not AAP. AAP is unnecessary and over-used. An AAP teacher at our school told me it is "not a truly gifted program" due to the pushing and prepping and demands by parents.

Anonymous
Post 07/27/2016 19:11     Subject: Do you love your FCPS elementary school?
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Anonymous wrote:Small school. Kids are very aware if they are the smart kids in AAP or they're not. Awful. The whole FCPS model of centers, of separating kids in 3rd grade is awful. My fault I didn't know enough when we moved to FCPS. Would not have moved here.


Which school?


Maybe your fault for not having a smart kid?


Even if you have a "smart" kid, they need to learn to get on with the rest of the world. Segregating them or any other subgroup of kiddos isn't right. I see that as a huge issue with FFX schools. There's a box for everyone and everyone stays in their box.


Not FCPS student, but I was tracked in school for most classes. Much better experience as I was able to relate to my peers in those classes in terms of social interests, and quickness on their feet. Work in high technology now and prefer not to mix with "normal" people.


And you think this is good for society because?