Polish guys are hot. Wish I was there!

Anonymous wrote:The world has never been safe but it's obvious to me that so many posting on here are either unaware, or indifferent, to the rampant human trafficking that is going on.

No matter how responsible and intelligent a 17 year old 'young woman' is she lacks the practical experience of someone 10+ years older and is absolutely more vulnerable to those who would do her harm.

PP, I've lived extensively in Eastern Europe and been involved in human rights issues, including human trafficking. Right now, the girls at risk of being trafficked in Europe are Syrian and other refugees coming thru the trafficking pipelines via Turkey and Libya and thru Greece, Italy and the Balkans. A employed American 17 y.o. working in Warsaw and living with her father is pretty much at zero risk of being trafficked. Human traffickers don't kidnap well off girls on their way to work. They entice poor, marginalized, non-citizens with offers of employment in other countries. They target parents who feel like it's better to sell or marry off their girls before they are raped or starve, or parents who believe the promises of employment and the good life in another country. Have you done anything in the past month to support the women at real risk of being trafficked in Europe?

BTW, Warsaw is probably a hell of a lot safer place to run around than DC, when it comes to being vulnerable to someone who would "do her harm."

Who knows, maybe she'll come back having embraced her cultural heritage.

When I was her age, I would be going completely wild and having major make out sessions with dudes like this:

#$#$

Filterless low grade cigarettes and excellent Polish vodka will definitely be consumed in mass quantities.

Is she staying out all night? Partying until the break of dawn? If not, why are you concerned? Really, nothing can happen to her there that can't happen to her at home.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that she will be fine and that it will probably be a wonderful experience for her.

I also think that your ex should have discussed this with you proactively. This should not be something that you "just learn." It should be something that the three of you discuss as a group, including ground rules, safety tips, and contingency plans.

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First of all, a 17 year old is NOT an adult. Adults are 18. If the ex wanted to turn his 17 year old loose in another country, he should have discussed it with the OP.

I would take him to court over this.

OFFS. Do you really think he has "turned her loose" this summer, or, do you think he's simply not parenting the way OP does? My impression is that he's treating her like other Polish 17 year olds and given a good bit of freedom when she's not at work. I bet she has a bus pass, a key to the house, a cell phone and instructions that are along the lines of, "please be home by 8 so we can have dinner."

That's not what the OP wrote. But even so, if she is upset, the ex should listen to her. Getting along as parents is extremely important to how kids turn out in the long run.

No, it's not what the OP wrote- but to think that a father who has (presumably) helped his 17 year old get a job, has introduced her to kids her age, and allows her to walk from the bus stop to work "unwatched" is "let loose" in a city is koo koo.

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Anonymous wrote:I told him before she left that head to watch her. She is working there too, near his office, but he just parts ways with her at the bus stop. WTF? I knew he was always the "hand off" parent and doesn't really care about her. Otherwise he would watch her more. He says he introduced her to other teens - Poles and expats - and she goes out with them. I don't know them. Plus, Warsaw isn't exactly London or Paris or Berlin or some such developed place.

Maybe her mom "doesn't really care about her." You are more driven by your own anxiety than by your child's need to grow up.

I didn't read the quoted part. That actually sounds very reasonable, OP. Your ex should be talking you down, though, rather than dismissing your concerns, IMO.Does your DD have a cell phone that can call the US?

Anonymous wrote:I told him before she left that head to watch her. She is working there too, near his office, but he just parts ways with her at the bus stop. WTF? I knew he was always the "hand off" parent and doesn't really care about her. Otherwise he would watch her more. He says he introduced her to other teens - Poles and expats - and she goes out with them. I don't know them. Plus, Warsaw isn't exactly London or Paris or Berlin or some such developed place.

Maybe her mom "doesn't really care about her." You are more driven by your own anxiety than by your child's need to grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that she will be fine and that it will probably be a wonderful experience for her.

I also think that your ex should have discussed this with you proactively. This should not be something that you "just learn." It should be something that the three of you discuss as a group, including ground rules, safety tips, and contingency plans.

+ 1

First of all, a 17 year old is NOT an adult. Adults are 18. If the ex wanted to turn his 17 year old loose in another country, he should have discussed it with the OP.

I would take him to court over this.

OFFS. Do you really think he has "turned her loose" this summer, or, do you think he's simply not parenting the way OP does? My impression is that he's treating her like other Polish 17 year olds and given a good bit of freedom when she's not at work. I bet she has a bus pass, a key to the house, a cell phone and instructions that are along the lines of, "please be home by 8 so we can have dinner."

That's not what the OP wrote. But even so, if she is upset, the ex should listen to her. Getting along as parents is extremely important to how kids turn out in the long run.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that she will be fine and that it will probably be a wonderful experience for her.

I also think that your ex should have discussed this with you proactively. This should not be something that you "just learn." It should be something that the three of you discuss as a group, including ground rules, safety tips, and contingency plans.

+ 1

First of all, a 17 year old is NOT an adult. Adults are 18. If the ex wanted to turn his 17 year old loose in another country, he should have discussed it with the OP.

I would take him to court over this.

OFFS. Do you really think he has "turned her loose" this summer, or, do you think he's simply not parenting the way OP does? My impression is that he's treating her like other Polish 17 year olds and given a good bit of freedom when she's not at work. I bet she has a bus pass, a key to the house, a cell phone and instructions that are along the lines of, "please be home by 8 so we can have dinner."

Anonymous wrote:I agree that she will be fine and that it will probably be a wonderful experience for her.

I also think that your ex should have discussed this with you proactively. This should not be something that you "just learn." It should be something that the three of you discuss as a group, including ground rules, safety tips, and contingency plans.

+ 1

First of all, a 17 year old is NOT an adult. Adults are 18. If the ex wanted to turn his 17 year old loose in another country, he should have discussed it with the OP.

I would take him to court over this.

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Anonymous wrote:The world has never been safe but it's obvious to me that so many posting on here are either unaware, or indifferent, to the rampant human trafficking that is going on.

No matter how responsible and intelligent a 17 year old 'young woman' is she lacks the practical experience of someone 10+ years older and is absolutely more vulnerable to those who would do her harm.

Then good thing the Ex got her some place safe! Otherwise she could be hanging around DC!

Index Info Washington, DC Warsaw
Crime Index: 65.72 27.12
Safety Scale: 34.28 72.88

Great that Warsaw is considered safer. I would bet it's even safer than many American cities. I do however stand by my statement "No matter how responsible and intelligent a 17 year old 'young woman' is she lacks the practical experience of someone 10+ years older and is absolutely more vulnerable to those who would do her harm."

Yes, we get that you are a particularly stubborn fool.

Resorting to name calling. LMAO

Anonymous wrote:What is it about then?

It's about her being angry that she doesn't get to make the rules this summer.