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Anonymous wrote:not just those who sound, look, dress exactly like them.

Because if ATS is anything, it's a haven for free spirits.

HA!!!

Sure, that's what I meant. Tucking in your shirt = all same. But please, continue to deflect from your defense of neighborhood schools. You're not fooling anybody in 2016. We know why you love your "walkable neighborhood school." Same reason your parents did in 1974.

Not pp, but what is wrong with neighborhood schools? I don't see racism in liking your kids to be in school with their friends from the neighborhood, or liking being able to walk to school on a regular basis rather than having to drive a long way to get there.

Look, I get that. But our neighborhoods are very segregated, and while that may not be something you intentionally sought out, you are passively accepting this reality, which will damage us all in the long run. That's why I have a problem, in general, with the concept of "walkable" "neighborhood" schools. It doesn't help that those words are code that anyone who is old enough to remember the 1970's recognizes.

Anyway maybe making this new school a choice program, that could be open to anyone who wanted to apply, regardless of their zipcode, would be one step in the right direction. It's practical, because it could address overcrowding in both north and south. At the same time, this is not taking away YOUR neighborhood school. It's adding a school that does not yet exist. I don't care where they build it. But I'm tired of every neighborhood trying to extract their pound of flesh, when we should be thinking of the common good.

People take issue with choicing out of a 10 school for what they perceive as a weak reason. Yes, your kids were zoned to a very homogenized school. South Arlington kids are too. The difference is, your homogenized school can afford any field trip a teacher dreams up and all sorts of enrichment. That doesn't even take into account the amount of available volunteers and resources wealthy parents bring to the table. The kids at your neighborhood school are being groomed for college and having flyers for robotics camp tucked into their backpacks end of day. In the homogenized south Arlington school the flyer is for food assistance, and the PTA is weak at best , and being investigated by the authorities for embezzlement at worst.
There are enough bright kids south of 50 to keep ATS's scores very high. They don't need to be propped up by north Arlington students, Patrick Henry is proof of that. The economically disadvantaged students applying are self selecting and certain to have a greater chance of success.
So, you should be flippant about taking a spot from a child in south Arlington.

Who are you to judge what school is best for the PP's children or the reasons she may have for entering a lottery that SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT to enter???

I'm a tax paying Arlingtonian who doesn't agree with how the ATS lottery works. I think I summed up my judgement of her choices quite clearly.

Then take it up with the school board whose rules you don't like, not someone who does what she thinks is best for her kids.

All the parents patting themselves on the back for sending their kids to "diverse" ATS should spend some time looking at the actual ATS demographics. The black and hispanic numbers look remarkably like nearby Ashlawn and Glebe. In other words, while it may be more diverse than Discovery, it is not a particularly diverse school compared to most of the other Arlington elementary schools (including others in North Arlington). And in fact, if you look at the most recent transfer report posted on the APS website, it looks like Glebe and Ashlawn transfers alone make up about 20% of the ATS student body.

Anonymous wrote:Ok, setting aside the class wars...call me crazy but honestly it doesn't sound to me like they are talking about creating a new choice program. The CIP identifies the most pressing elementary need in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor. The identified solution is a 725 seat school at Reed.

Of course a county wide lottery school like ATS would draw some kids from that area, but not a ton. However, moving one of the existing choice programs, and then using that building as a (possibly expanded) neighborhood school? That would respond to the problem identified in the CIP.

But would it really solve the problem? Take ASF-- it isn't a county-wide "choice" school like ATS. It is really a neighborhood school that is bundled into a team with Key, Jamestown, and Taylor. So moving the ASF program to Reed doesn't solve the overcrowding issue in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor unless most of the current ASF kids move with the school to Westover-- and there is no indication that any of them want to do that. You could end up with the same overcrowded school building in Clarendon, just with a different program. On ArlNow, people are advocating to use the Buck site on Quincy St. instead for a new Ballston elementary school near W-L, which would make more sense as a location if you are targeting the Rosslyn-Ballston area. And by 2020/21, both Ashlawn and Nottingham are projected to be over-enrolled by over 100 students each-- and then you could still put Reed back on the table as a neighborhood elementary school and a potential solution to the west end overcrowding. Buck would be a more expensive investment up front, but realistically we're going to end up spending the money anyway in the next decade, so why not really adopt a 10 year plan? From what I understand, the issue is that the County Board has to okay the use of the Buck site as a school, which it hasn't done yet-- similar to the hang-ups over the VHC site as a potential new high school.

Ok, setting aside the class wars...call me crazy but honestly it doesn't sound to me like they are talking about creating a new choice program. The CIP identifies the most pressing elementary need in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor. The identified solution is a 725 seat school at Reed.

Of course a county wide lottery school like ATS would draw some kids from that area, but not a ton. However, moving one of the existing choice programs, and then using that building as a (possibly expanded) neighborhood school? That would respond to the problem identified in the CIP.

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Anonymous wrote:not just those who sound, look, dress exactly like them.

Because if ATS is anything, it's a haven for free spirits.

HA!!!

Sure, that's what I meant. Tucking in your shirt = all same. But please, continue to deflect from your defense of neighborhood schools. You're not fooling anybody in 2016. We know why you love your "walkable neighborhood school." Same reason your parents did in 1974.

Not pp, but what is wrong with neighborhood schools? I don't see racism in liking your kids to be in school with their friends from the neighborhood, or liking being able to walk to school on a regular basis rather than having to drive a long way to get there.

Look, I get that. But our neighborhoods are very segregated, and while that may not be something you intentionally sought out, you are passively accepting this reality, which will damage us all in the long run. That's why I have a problem, in general, with the concept of "walkable" "neighborhood" schools. It doesn't help that those words are code that anyone who is old enough to remember the 1970's recognizes.

Anyway maybe making this new school a choice program, that could be open to anyone who wanted to apply, regardless of their zipcode, would be one step in the right direction. It's practical, because it could address overcrowding in both north and south. At the same time, this is not taking away YOUR neighborhood school. It's adding a school that does not yet exist. I don't care where they build it. But I'm tired of every neighborhood trying to extract their pound of flesh, when we should be thinking of the common good.

People take issue with choicing out of a 10 school for what they perceive as a weak reason. Yes, your kids were zoned to a very homogenized school. South Arlington kids are too. The difference is, your homogenized school can afford any field trip a teacher dreams up and all sorts of enrichment. That doesn't even take into account the amount of available volunteers and resources wealthy parents bring to the table. The kids at your neighborhood school are being groomed for college and having flyers for robotics camp tucked into their backpacks end of day. In the homogenized south Arlington school the flyer is for food assistance, and the PTA is weak at best , and being investigated by the authorities for embezzlement at worst.
There are enough bright kids south of 50 to keep ATS's scores very high. They don't need to be propped up by north Arlington students, Patrick Henry is proof of that. The economically disadvantaged students applying are self selecting and certain to have a greater chance of success.
So, you should be flippant about taking a spot from a child in south Arlington.

Who are you to judge what school is best for the PP's children or the reasons she may have for entering a lottery that SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT to enter???

I'm a tax paying Arlingtonian who doesn't agree with how the ATS lottery works. I think I summed up my judgement of her choices quite clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:not just those who sound, look, dress exactly like them.

Because if ATS is anything, it's a haven for free spirits.

HA!!!

Sure, that's what I meant. Tucking in your shirt = all same. But please, continue to deflect from your defense of neighborhood schools. You're not fooling anybody in 2016. We know why you love your "walkable neighborhood school." Same reason your parents did in 1974.

Not pp, but what is wrong with neighborhood schools? I don't see racism in liking your kids to be in school with their friends from the neighborhood, or liking being able to walk to school on a regular basis rather than having to drive a long way to get there.

Look, I get that. But our neighborhoods are very segregated, and while that may not be something you intentionally sought out, you are passively accepting this reality, which will damage us all in the long run. That's why I have a problem, in general, with the concept of "walkable" "neighborhood" schools. It doesn't help that those words are code that anyone who is old enough to remember the 1970's recognizes.

Anyway maybe making this new school a choice program, that could be open to anyone who wanted to apply, regardless of their zipcode, would be one step in the right direction. It's practical, because it could address overcrowding in both north and south. At the same time, this is not taking away YOUR neighborhood school. It's adding a school that does not yet exist. I don't care where they build it. But I'm tired of every neighborhood trying to extract their pound of flesh, when we should be thinking of the common good.

People take issue with choicing out of a 10 school for what they perceive as a weak reason. Yes, your kids were zoned to a very homogenized school. South Arlington kids are too. The difference is, your homogenized school can afford any field trip a teacher dreams up and all sorts of enrichment. That doesn't even take into account the amount of available volunteers and resources wealthy parents bring to the table. The kids at your neighborhood school are being groomed for college and having flyers for robotics camp tucked into their backpacks end of day. In the homogenized south Arlington school the flyer is for food assistance, and the PTA is weak at best , and being investigated by the authorities for embezzlement at worst.
There are enough bright kids south of 50 to keep ATS's scores very high. They don't need to be propped up by north Arlington students, Patrick Henry is proof of that. The economically disadvantaged students applying are self selecting and certain to have a greater chance of success.
So, you should be flippant about taking a spot from a child in south Arlington.

Who are you to judge what school is best for the PP's children or the reasons she may have for entering a lottery that SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT to enter???

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Call me someone "trying to be a liberal" but we also like the ethnic and socioeconomic diversity. We are minority and so are our kids. We toured the neighborhood school and quickly realized that our kids would be almost the only people who look like them in their classrooms. We also heard nightmarish stories from our neighbors about competition starting early for certain types of clothes, vacations, etc at the neighborhood school. We liked the atmosphere at ATS better.

So you claim to "like" ethnic and socioeconomic diversity, and yet you apparently moved into one of the most wealthy and most white neighbors in North Arlington. And then you were shocked to find out that there weren't many minorities at your local elementary school? Sorry, that doesn't entitle anyone from North Arlington to have access to an alternative choice program (and I am saying that as a North Arlington parent).

This question is so obnoxious. Couldn't it easily be flipped around and addressed toward parents complaining about ATS? Like this: "So you claim to want a great education for your kids, and yet you apparently moved into a neighborhood zoned for a school with a lower rating. And then you were shocked to find out that the neighborhood school is less that you want? And now you're looking to explore ways to get out?"

But I won't say that. Unlike the snotty earlier poster, I assume we all made housing choices with a variety of factors in mind, like budget, proximity to work or family or church or activities. True, the PP who wants diversity could have moved to a more diverse neighborhood and the PP who wants better schools could have moved further out if the budget didn't fit N. Arlington. There may be features of our neighborhoods that we don't care for, say worse schools or lack of diversity, so we seek an available option to mitigate that. I don't think anyone on either side should be excluded from seeking an alternative.

Weak sauce. They aren't equivalent problems. I support my low scoring neighborhood school and live my liberal ideals. My kids get plenty of enrichment and opportunities thanks to well educated, affluent parents. I would rather see the children of the hard working immigrant families that sacrifice so much to live in Arlington, have the best possible shot at moving up into the middle class.

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Call me someone "trying to be a liberal" but we also like the ethnic and socioeconomic diversity. We are minority and so are our kids. We toured the neighborhood school and quickly realized that our kids would be almost the only people who look like them in their classrooms. We also heard nightmarish stories from our neighbors about competition starting early for certain types of clothes, vacations, etc at the neighborhood school. We liked the atmosphere at ATS better.

So you claim to "like" ethnic and socioeconomic diversity, and yet you apparently moved into one of the most wealthy and most white neighbors in North Arlington. And then you were shocked to find out that there weren't many minorities at your local elementary school? Sorry, that doesn't entitle anyone from North Arlington to have access to an alternative choice program (and I am saying that as a North Arlington parent).

This question is so obnoxious. Couldn't it easily be flipped around and addressed toward parents complaining about ATS? Like this: "So you claim to want a great education for your kids, and yet you apparently moved into a neighborhood zoned for a school with a lower rating. And then you were shocked to find out that the neighborhood school is less that you want? And now you're looking to explore ways to get out?"

But I won't say that. Unlike the snotty earlier poster, I assume we all made housing choices with a variety of factors in mind, like budget, proximity to work or family or church or activities. True, the PP who wants diversity could have moved to a more diverse neighborhood and the PP who wants better schools could have moved further out if the budget didn't fit N. Arlington. There may be features of our neighborhoods that we don't care for, say worse schools or lack of diversity, so we seek an available option to mitigate that. I don't think anyone on either side should be excluded from seeking an alternative.

* shouldn't be flippant

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Anonymous wrote:not just those who sound, look, dress exactly like them.

Because if ATS is anything, it's a haven for free spirits.

HA!!!

Sure, that's what I meant. Tucking in your shirt = all same. But please, continue to deflect from your defense of neighborhood schools. You're not fooling anybody in 2016. We know why you love your "walkable neighborhood school." Same reason your parents did in 1974.

Not pp, but what is wrong with neighborhood schools? I don't see racism in liking your kids to be in school with their friends from the neighborhood, or liking being able to walk to school on a regular basis rather than having to drive a long way to get there.

Look, I get that. But our neighborhoods are very segregated, and while that may not be something you intentionally sought out, you are passively accepting this reality, which will damage us all in the long run. That's why I have a problem, in general, with the concept of "walkable" "neighborhood" schools. It doesn't help that those words are code that anyone who is old enough to remember the 1970's recognizes.

Anyway maybe making this new school a choice program, that could be open to anyone who wanted to apply, regardless of their zipcode, would be one step in the right direction. It's practical, because it could address overcrowding in both north and south. At the same time, this is not taking away YOUR neighborhood school. It's adding a school that does not yet exist. I don't care where they build it. But I'm tired of every neighborhood trying to extract their pound of flesh, when we should be thinking of the common good.

People take issue with choicing out of a 10 school for what they perceive as a weak reason. Yes, your kids were zoned to a very homogenized school. South Arlington kids are too. The difference is, your homogenized school can afford any field trip a teacher dreams up and all sorts of enrichment. That doesn't even take into account the amount of available volunteers and resources wealthy parents bring to the table. The kids at your neighborhood school are being groomed for college and having flyers for robotics camp tucked into their backpacks end of day. In the homogenized south Arlington school the flyer is for food assistance, and the PTA is weak at best , and being investigated by the authorities for embezzlement at worst.
There are enough bright kids south of 50 to keep ATS's scores very high. They don't need to be propped up by north Arlington students, Patrick Henry is proof of that. The economically disadvantaged students applying are self selecting and certain to have a greater chance of success.
So, you should be flippant about taking a spot from a child in south Arlington.

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the make up of the entire county about 70% white? A diverse school can and should reflect the make up of the nation.

More like 75 percent, arguably. Frighteningly white.

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Anonymous wrote:not just those who sound, look, dress exactly like them.

Because if ATS is anything, it's a haven for free spirits.

HA!!!

Sure, that's what I meant. Tucking in your shirt = all same. But please, continue to deflect from your defense of neighborhood schools. You're not fooling anybody in 2016. We know why you love your "walkable neighborhood school." Same reason your parents did in 1974.

Not pp, but what is wrong with neighborhood schools? I don't see racism in liking your kids to be in school with their friends from the neighborhood, or liking being able to walk to school on a regular basis rather than having to drive a long way to get there.

Look, I get that. But our neighborhoods are very segregated, and while that may not be something you intentionally sought out, you are passively accepting this reality, which will damage us all in the long run. That's why I have a problem, in general, with the concept of "walkable" "neighborhood" schools. It doesn't help that those words are code that anyone who is old enough to remember the 1970's recognizes.

Anyway maybe making this new school a choice program, that could be open to anyone who wanted to apply, regardless of their zipcode, would be one step in the right direction. It's practical, because it could address overcrowding in both north and south. At the same time, this is not taking away YOUR neighborhood school. It's adding a school that does not yet exist. I don't care where they build it. But I'm tired of every neighborhood trying to extract their pound of flesh, when we should be thinking of the common good.

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Call me someone "trying to be a liberal" but we also like the ethnic and socioeconomic diversity. We are minority and so are our kids. We toured the neighborhood school and quickly realized that our kids would be almost the only people who look like them in their classrooms. We also heard nightmarish stories from our neighbors about competition starting early for certain types of clothes, vacations, etc at the neighborhood school. We liked the atmosphere at ATS better.

So you claim to "like" ethnic and socioeconomic diversity, and yet you apparently moved into one of the most wealthy and most white neighbors in North Arlington. And then you were shocked to find out that there weren't many minorities at your local elementary school? Sorry, that doesn't entitle anyone from North Arlington to have access to an alternative choice program (and I am saying that as a North Arlington parent).

She could have solved it by moving into Key/ASF boundary. ASF has the same Socio/racial diversity and you can buy into the zone in N Arl.

She's supposed to move rather than legitimately entering the lottery???? That's unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:not just those who sound, look, dress exactly like them.

Because if ATS is anything, it's a haven for free spirits.

HA!!!

Sure, that's what I meant. Tucking in your shirt = all same. But please, continue to deflect from your defense of neighborhood schools. You're not fooling anybody in 2016. We know why you love your "walkable neighborhood school." Same reason your parents did in 1974.

Not pp, but what is wrong with neighborhood schools? I don't see racism in liking your kids to be in school with their friends from the neighborhood, or liking being able to walk to school on a regular basis rather than having to drive a long way to get there.

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Anonymous wrote:not just those who sound, look, dress exactly like them.

Because if ATS is anything, it's a haven for free spirits.

HA!!!

Sure, that's what I meant. Tucking in your shirt = all same. But please, continue to deflect from your defense of neighborhood schools. You're not fooling anybody in 2016. We know why you love your "walkable neighborhood school." Same reason your parents did in 1974.

Actually, my kids take a bus to school, and I haven't been defending neighborhood schools, although I think walking to school is great, and I would rather achieve diversity by locating affordable housing throughout Arlington, including the parts north of 29.

And now everyone hates me!