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Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

What is MERLD, then? What do the receptive issues mean - nothing? I understand that a kid with expressive delays only could do that - but how is a kid who cannot understand language having no issues udnerstanding language? WT everloving F, OP? If there is nothing wrong with your kid, awesome, move along. If there is, join us over here in the land where things are wrong and unpredictable but get off your high horse, for the love of.

MERLD is pretty predictable and receptive language generally improves with age. You don't get MERLD but seem to feel the need to argue you do.

While receptive language improves on its own, MERLD doesn't just go away. It is lifelong issue.

Adolescents with whose receptive language issues are resolved show receptive language equal to peers at 16, but continue to show deficits in processing written language and phonological processing.
http://jslhr.pubs.asha.org/article.aspx?articleid=1781806&resultclick=1

Adults who had MERLD as children continue to show deficits in social language use in their early 20s (but do show more language improvement then people with ASDs, as a group)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1469-7610.00642/abstract

Receptive language disorders are a red flag for comorbid psychiatric problems in children.
http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567(09)66127-X/abstract

Adults who had language disorders as children show increased mental health problems in their 30s.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/1/e73?variant=abstract&sso=1&sso_redirect_count=1&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

You can find a study on anything if you look hard enough. One has nothing to do with another. Ok, we get it. You do not believe in language disorders and it has to be ASD.

OP. You seem to have a comprehension LD. She said NO such thing. Nobody said any such thing. It was merely noted that MERLD OFTEN perhaps not ALWAYS indicates serious future issues - in fact, in the majority of cases there are comorbidities. I know that does not square with your my son's disability is better than yours world view, but those are the facts. I was extremely distressed when my son was found to have receptive delays because of their well recognized and documented potential for signaling major learning and cognitive issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

What is MERLD, then? What do the receptive issues mean - nothing? I understand that a kid with expressive delays only could do that - but how is a kid who cannot understand language having no issues udnerstanding language? WT everloving F, OP? If there is nothing wrong with your kid, awesome, move along. If there is, join us over here in the land where things are wrong and unpredictable but get off your high horse, for the love of.

MERLD is pretty predictable and receptive language generally improves with age. You don't get MERLD but seem to feel the need to argue you do.

While receptive language improves on its own, MERLD doesn't just go away. It is lifelong issue.

Adolescents with whose receptive language issues are resolved show receptive language equal to peers at 16, but continue to show deficits in processing written language and phonological processing.
http://jslhr.pubs.asha.org/article.aspx?articleid=1781806&resultclick=1

Adults who had MERLD as children continue to show deficits in social language use in their early 20s (but do show more language improvement then people with ASDs, as a group)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1469-7610.00642/abstract

Receptive language disorders are a red flag for comorbid psychiatric problems in children.
http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567(09)66127-X/abstract

Adults who had language disorders as children show increased mental health problems in their 30s.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/1/e73?variant=abstract&sso=1&sso_redirect_count=1&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

You can find a study on anything if you look hard enough. One has nothing to do with another. Ok, we get it. You do not believe in language disorders and it has to be ASD.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

What is MERLD, then? What do the receptive issues mean - nothing? I understand that a kid with expressive delays only could do that - but how is a kid who cannot understand language having no issues udnerstanding language? WT everloving F, OP? If there is nothing wrong with your kid, awesome, move along. If there is, join us over here in the land where things are wrong and unpredictable but get off your high horse, for the love of.

MERLD is pretty predictable and receptive language generally improves with age. You don't get MERLD but seem to feel the need to argue you do.

While receptive language improves on its own, MERLD doesn't just go away. It is lifelong issue.

Adolescents with whose receptive language issues are resolved show receptive language equal to peers at 16, but continue to show deficits in processing written language and phonological processing.
http://jslhr.pubs.asha.org/article.aspx?articleid=1781806&resultclick=1

Adults who had MERLD as children continue to show deficits in social language use in their early 20s (but do show more language improvement then people with ASDs, as a group)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1469-7610.00642/abstract

Receptive language disorders are a red flag for comorbid psychiatric problems in children.
http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567(09)66127-X/abstract

Adults who had language disorders as children show increased mental health problems in their 30s.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/1/e73?variant=abstract&sso=1&sso_redirect_count=1&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

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Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

What is MERLD, then? What do the receptive issues mean - nothing? I understand that a kid with expressive delays only could do that - but how is a kid who cannot understand language having no issues udnerstanding language? WT everloving F, OP? If there is nothing wrong with your kid, awesome, move along. If there is, join us over here in the land where things are wrong and unpredictable but get off your high horse, for the love of.

Some of this disagreement seems to be a misunderstanding of the technical terms involved. Receptive language is understanding the vocubulary and grammar of speech. Expressive language is using vocabulary and grammar. Pragmatics is understanding the social and emotional context of language. Each of these is controlled by a different part of the brain that are supposed to work together, but depending on where the miswiring is located, you can have one, two or all three.

So a child may have perfect grammar and a large vocabulary, but not understand the difference between friendly teasing and bullying. That would be pragmatics. Or a child may not understand the words another child is using, but understand friendly tones and gestures. That would be receptive.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

You r the one generalizing by saying ALL kids with ASD get ABA. Nonsense.

No one is saying all kids with ASD get ABA. ABA is designed specifically for kids with Autism. Most kids do not get it as it is expensive and many insurances do not cover it.

ASD=Autism unless the DSM has changed again.

OP, you are not that bright. She is saying that not all kids diagnosed with autism get ABA although ABA is designed for children with autism. Honestly, your level of understanding, your knowledge of the SN world and ability to learn and understand about other diagnoses, your appreciation of appropriate discourse, and your arguing level make you sound as though you do not have any higher education and much more suited to Baby Center. Go start a MERLD thread there. Go start a blog about you. Just go away.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

You r the one generalizing by saying ALL kids with ASD get ABA. Nonsense.

No one is saying all kids with ASD get ABA. ABA is designed specifically for kids with Autism. Most kids do not get it as it is expensive and many insurances do not cover it.

ASD=Autism unless the DSM has changed again.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

Really!

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Anonymous wrote:I think there is one MERLD parent that is attacking ASD kids as nightmares and permanently severely disabled, while there is one ASD parent who insist's that the term should not be used, and points out that MERLD kids will always have some difficulty. There is a spillover effect from the battle between these two. The rest of us should just ignore it.

I am not a MERLD parent (to my knowledge), but my child is difficult to diagnosis and there is no consensus on what she actually has. I am interested in learning more about MERLD because understanding it may help diagnosis and treat her.

The mother was describing her child as a medicated ADHD/ASD kid who had severe needs. Yes, those needs would be a nightmare and instead of focusing on slamming others and pushing her agenda, she needs to focus on her own child.

I am the person whose child you described as a "nightmare." I have no idea where you got your facts, but enough already. My child has ASD. He does not have ADHD. He is not medicated. He does not have severe needs. He is in 8th grade and is completely mainstreamed in public school with 60 minutes of pull-out support per week. His supports are 30 minutes with the school social worker per week and 30 minutes with a social skills group run by an ST. He has straight As in the highest level classes that his junior high offers. He is a member of the choir and the cross country team and the chess club. He participates in karate outside of school and just earned his brown belt. He has friends. He has a dog that he adores and takes good care of. He is planning on majoring in chemistry and biology in college and hopes to become a radiologist. He has excellent visual-spatial abilities and is the person who puts furniture and stuff together at our house, because he is really good at it.

I expect that his outcome will be as good as my uncle's outcome. My uncle (his great-uncle) has the same profile as my son and is getting ready to retire from Boeing after 35 years. He is married, with a daughter and two terrific granddaughters. My uncle helped raise me after my NT parents divorced.

You should be so lucky as to have my family's "nightmares."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

What is MERLD, then? What do the receptive issues mean - nothing? I understand that a kid with expressive delays only could do that - but how is a kid who cannot understand language having no issues udnerstanding language? WT everloving F, OP? If there is nothing wrong with your kid, awesome, move along. If there is, join us over here in the land where things are wrong and unpredictable but get off your high horse, for the love of.

MERLD is pretty predictable and receptive language generally improves with age. You don't get MERLD but seem to feel the need to argue you do.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is one MERLD parent that is attacking ASD kids as nightmares and permanently severely disabled, while there is one ASD parent who insist's that the term should not be used, and points out that MERLD kids will always have some difficulty. There is a spillover effect from the battle between these two. The rest of us should just ignore it.

I am not a MERLD parent (to my knowledge), but my child is difficult to diagnosis and there is no consensus on what she actually has. I am interested in learning more about MERLD because understanding it may help diagnosis and treat her.

The mother was describing her child as a medicated ADHD/ASD kid who had severe needs. Yes, those needs would be a nightmare and instead of focusing on slamming others and pushing her agenda, she needs to focus on her own child.

OP. You sound hateful and prejudiced. This is also entirely subjective. I have an unmedicated ADHD kid and I do find his hyperactivity maddening. It is possible, however, that I would find having a child who could not understand anything and needed intensive speech to be much more of a nightmare. Those needs do sound pretty nightmarish, I am sure, to parents of NT kids. Also, how old is your child? I assume given severe receptive difficulties you are going to have to test for ID? That is no walk in the park, is it. Glass house, my friend. Hold onto your stones.

My child has no learning issues. Yes, he's been tested. He's working on grade level or above and grapes concepts easily. Not all MERLD kids have other issues. Once many MERLD kids reach 6/7, the receptive issues are pretty minimal in less more is going on. None of it is a nightmare if you know your child and understand their needs and wants.

Than there is simply nothing at all wrong with your child unlike all of other nightmares, so why don't you move along? Start a blog about yourself and your special situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

ASD kids can also have expressive/receptive language issues, that's the part you seem to miss. If they do, then they will get the same treatment as MERLD kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

You r the one generalizing by saying ALL kids with ASD get ABA. Nonsense.

No one is saying all kids with ASD get ABA. ABA is designed specifically for kids with Autism. Most kids do not get it as it is expensive and many insurances do not cover it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

What is MERLD, then? What do the receptive issues mean - nothing? I understand that a kid with expressive delays only could do that - but how is a kid who cannot understand language having no issues udnerstanding language? WT everloving F, OP? If there is nothing wrong with your kid, awesome, move along. If there is, join us over here in the land where things are wrong and unpredictable but get off your high horse, for the love of.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is one MERLD parent that is attacking ASD kids as nightmares and permanently severely disabled, while there is one ASD parent who insist's that the term should not be used, and points out that MERLD kids will always have some difficulty. There is a spillover effect from the battle between these two. The rest of us should just ignore it.

I am not a MERLD parent (to my knowledge), but my child is difficult to diagnosis and there is no consensus on what she actually has. I am interested in learning more about MERLD because understanding it may help diagnosis and treat her.

The mother was describing her child as a medicated ADHD/ASD kid who had severe needs. Yes, those needs would be a nightmare and instead of focusing on slamming others and pushing her agenda, she needs to focus on her own child.

OP. You sound hateful and prejudiced. This is also entirely subjective. I have an unmedicated ADHD kid and I do find his hyperactivity maddening. It is possible, however, that I would find having a child who could not understand anything and needed intensive speech to be much more of a nightmare. Those needs do sound pretty nightmarish, I am sure, to parents of NT kids. Also, how old is your child? I assume given severe receptive difficulties you are going to have to test for ID? That is no walk in the park, is it. Glass house, my friend. Hold onto your stones.

My child has no learning issues. Yes, he's been tested. He's working on grade level or above and grapes concepts easily. Not all MERLD kids have other issues. Once many MERLD kids reach 6/7, the receptive issues are pretty minimal in less more is going on. None of it is a nightmare if you know your child and understand their needs and wants.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not all kids with ASD need or get ABA. ABA has NEVER been recommended for my DS with ASD/ADHD by anyone.

You are right however that speech therapy for a MERLD child will look very different than speech therapy for a child whose deficit is solely pragmatics. DS attends a language immersion school, Mandarin/English, has excellent language skills and gets pragmatic speech therapy and social skills classes. He would not be in a dual language program if he had issues with receptive and expressive language in English.

Also, it is hard to imagine a child who has issues with receptive and expressive language NOT having pragmatic speech issues.

It may be hard for you to imagine, but the MERLD kids I know do not have pragmatic speech issues. They have expressive issues that may impact social things but its not the same thing as what you are thinking. And, my MERLD kid could do an immersion school, as he's done foreign language at his school for two years/no more issues than other kids. You are very much overgeneralizing and making it based of ADHD/ASD, not a language disorder.

You r the one generalizing by saying ALL kids with ASD get ABA. Nonsense.