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If we're talking about "entitlement," we should be discussing why one group of kids in FCPS is given a choice of schools, while the other group is not.

Where do you want my child receiving special ed services to go? Our neighborhood school does not have the staff to support him. Should our neighborhood school hire specialists to meet his needs? Personally, I think it is less expensive to send him to a school to be with other children with similar needs, and the appropriate staff are in place for all of these children.

No one here is talking about special ed children. We're talking about AAP kids. Please don't equate the two as that only serves to insult kids who actually need special education; which AAP is not.

My son receives both special ed services and AAP services. Are you suggesting he should not receive both of these services?

AAP is not a special ed. program. Are their kids in AAP who receive special ed services? Sure. But AAP as a stand alone program is not special ed. Stop trying to equate the two. I'd love to see how the parents on the Special Needs forum would react to that.

I am a frequent poster on the Special Needs forum as my son and daughter both receive special ed services, although my daughter does not receive AAP services. What you are suggesting is that my son should not have a "choice" of schools. I disagree with you. I believe other parents would also disagree with you.

You are incorrect. What I am suggesting is that AAP kids - those who have no special needs - should not be given a choice of school. Kids who are in Gen Ed but also don't receive special ed services aren't given a choice of school. Nowhere did I say anything about where special needs kids should be educated. You're the one who keeps bringing trying to turn it into a straw man. Why do you insist on equating AAP with special needs? This discussion isn't about special ed.

This back and forth is idiotic and completely irrelevant to this thread. Why did you (or someone who thinks like you) ever feel the need to steer the discussion toward your own entitlement issue? We get that you don't like kids at LLIV schools having center as an option. But why not discuss it in a new thread?

Perhaps you should refresh yourself with the definition of entitlement: "the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)."

Why bother looking it up when you're such a perfect demonstration of entitlement in action? And since when is hoping people stay on topic expecting special privileges? Get a freaking grip.

If it wouldn't be so bothersome to him, I would love to ask Jeff how prolific this particular anti AAP poster is in the various AAP threads.

Based off writing style, I can't help but think there are a couple of people who are constantoy derailing every thread in this forum to their/her personal crusade (6tu grade Colvin Run Mom anyone?)

When in doubt accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a troll....and assume it's only 1 person. Please!

Seriously. Such a lazy way of trying to dismiss anyone whose views the PP disagrees with. Newsflash, PPs: there are plenty of people out there and here on DCUM who don't feel the way you do about AAP.

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If we're talking about "entitlement," we should be discussing why one group of kids in FCPS is given a choice of schools, while the other group is not.

Where do you want my child receiving special ed services to go? Our neighborhood school does not have the staff to support him. Should our neighborhood school hire specialists to meet his needs? Personally, I think it is less expensive to send him to a school to be with other children with similar needs, and the appropriate staff are in place for all of these children.

No one here is talking about special ed children. We're talking about AAP kids. Please don't equate the two as that only serves to insult kids who actually need special education; which AAP is not.

My son receives both special ed services and AAP services. Are you suggesting he should not receive both of these services?

AAP is not a special ed. program. Are their kids in AAP who receive special ed services? Sure. But AAP as a stand alone program is not special ed. Stop trying to equate the two. I'd love to see how the parents on the Special Needs forum would react to that.

I am a frequent poster on the Special Needs forum as my son and daughter both receive special ed services, although my daughter does not receive AAP services. What you are suggesting is that my son should not have a "choice" of schools. I disagree with you. I believe other parents would also disagree with you.

You are incorrect. What I am suggesting is that AAP kids - those who have no special needs - should not be given a choice of school. Kids who are in Gen Ed but also don't receive special ed services aren't given a choice of school. Nowhere did I say anything about where special needs kids should be educated. You're the one who keeps bringing trying to turn it into a straw man. Why do you insist on equating AAP with special needs? This discussion isn't about special ed.

This back and forth is idiotic and completely irrelevant to this thread. Why did you (or someone who thinks like you) ever feel the need to steer the discussion toward your own entitlement issue? We get that you don't like kids at LLIV schools having center as an option. But why not discuss it in a new thread?

Perhaps you should refresh yourself with the definition of entitlement: "the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)."

Why bother looking it up when you're such a perfect demonstration of entitlement in action? And since when is hoping people stay on topic expecting special privileges? Get a freaking grip.

If it wouldn't be so bothersome to him, I would love to ask Jeff how prolific this particular anti AAP poster is in the various AAP threads.

Based off writing style, I can't help but think there are a couple of people who are constantoy derailing every thread in this forum to their/her personal crusade (6tu grade Colvin Run Mom anyone?)

When in doubt accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a troll....and assume it's only 1 person. Please!

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Interesting approach. Shows that kids benefit from advanced programming, no matter whether they are "gifted" are not when they start.

That's really not what the article said. A very small group was chosen. Half were tested as "gifted." The others were hand-selected by teachers as having the potential to be "gifted." Kinda like what FCPS does already, only n a much larger scale.

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Anonymous wrote:http://hechingerreport.org/can-schools-create-gifted-students/

Interesting approach. Shows that kids benefit from advanced programming, no matter whether they are "gifted" are not when they start.

That's really not what the article said. A very small group was chosen. Half were tested as "gifted." The others were hand-selected by teachers as having the potential to be "gifted." Kinda like what FCPS does already, only n a much larger scale.

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Interesting approach. Shows that kids benefit from advanced programming, no matter whether they are "gifted" are not when they start.

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If we're talking about "entitlement," we should be discussing why one group of kids in FCPS is given a choice of schools, while the other group is not.

Where do you want my child receiving special ed services to go? Our neighborhood school does not have the staff to support him. Should our neighborhood school hire specialists to meet his needs? Personally, I think it is less expensive to send him to a school to be with other children with similar needs, and the appropriate staff are in place for all of these children.

No one here is talking about special ed children. We're talking about AAP kids. Please don't equate the two as that only serves to insult kids who actually need special education; which AAP is not.

My son receives both special ed services and AAP services. Are you suggesting he should not receive both of these services?

AAP is not a special ed. program. Are their kids in AAP who receive special ed services? Sure. But AAP as a stand alone program is not special ed. Stop trying to equate the two. I'd love to see how the parents on the Special Needs forum would react to that.

I am a frequent poster on the Special Needs forum as my son and daughter both receive special ed services, although my daughter does not receive AAP services. What you are suggesting is that my son should not have a "choice" of schools. I disagree with you. I believe other parents would also disagree with you.

You are incorrect. What I am suggesting is that AAP kids - those who have no special needs - should not be given a choice of school. Kids who are in Gen Ed but also don't receive special ed services aren't given a choice of school. Nowhere did I say anything about where special needs kids should be educated. You're the one who keeps bringing trying to turn it into a straw man. Why do you insist on equating AAP with special needs? This discussion isn't about special ed.

This back and forth is idiotic and completely irrelevant to this thread. Why did you (or someone who thinks like you) ever feel the need to steer the discussion toward your own entitlement issue? We get that you don't like kids at LLIV schools having center as an option. But why not discuss it in a new thread?

Perhaps you should refresh yourself with the definition of entitlement: "the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)."

Why bother looking it up when you're such a perfect demonstration of entitlement in action? And since when is hoping people stay on topic expecting special privileges? Get a freaking grip.

If it wouldn't be so bothersome to him, I would love to ask Jeff how prolific this particular anti AAP poster is in the various AAP threads.

Based off writing style, I can't help but think there are a couple of people who are constantoy derailing every thread in this forum to their/her personal crusade (6tu grade Colvin Run Mom anyone?)

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If we're talking about "entitlement," we should be discussing why one group of kids in FCPS is given a choice of schools, while the other group is not.

Where do you want my child receiving special ed services to go? Our neighborhood school does not have the staff to support him. Should our neighborhood school hire specialists to meet his needs? Personally, I think it is less expensive to send him to a school to be with other children with similar needs, and the appropriate staff are in place for all of these children.

No one here is talking about special ed children. We're talking about AAP kids. Please don't equate the two as that only serves to insult kids who actually need special education; which AAP is not.

My son receives both special ed services and AAP services. Are you suggesting he should not receive both of these services?

AAP is not a special ed. program. Are their kids in AAP who receive special ed services? Sure. But AAP as a stand alone program is not special ed. Stop trying to equate the two. I'd love to see how the parents on the Special Needs forum would react to that.

I am a frequent poster on the Special Needs forum as my son and daughter both receive special ed services, although my daughter does not receive AAP services. What you are suggesting is that my son should not have a "choice" of schools. I disagree with you. I believe other parents would also disagree with you.

You are incorrect. What I am suggesting is that AAP kids - those who have no special needs - should not be given a choice of school. Kids who are in Gen Ed but also don't receive special ed services aren't given a choice of school. Nowhere did I say anything about where special needs kids should be educated. You're the one who keeps bringing trying to turn it into a straw man. Why do you insist on equating AAP with special needs? This discussion isn't about special ed.

This back and forth is idiotic and completely irrelevant to this thread. Why did you (or someone who thinks like you) ever feel the need to steer the discussion toward your own entitlement issue? We get that you don't like kids at LLIV schools having center as an option. But why not discuss it in a new thread?

Perhaps you should refresh yourself with the definition of entitlement: "the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)."

Why bother looking it up when you're such a perfect demonstration of entitlement in action? And since when is hoping people stay on topic expecting special privileges? Get a freaking grip.

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If we're talking about "entitlement," we should be discussing why one group of kids in FCPS is given a choice of schools, while the other group is not.

Where do you want my child receiving special ed services to go? Our neighborhood school does not have the staff to support him. Should our neighborhood school hire specialists to meet his needs? Personally, I think it is less expensive to send him to a school to be with other children with similar needs, and the appropriate staff are in place for all of these children.

No one here is talking about special ed children. We're talking about AAP kids. Please don't equate the two as that only serves to insult kids who actually need special education; which AAP is not.

My son receives both special ed services and AAP services. Are you suggesting he should not receive both of these services?

AAP is not a special ed. program. Are their kids in AAP who receive special ed services? Sure. But AAP as a stand alone program is not special ed. Stop trying to equate the two. I'd love to see how the parents on the Special Needs forum would react to that.

I am a frequent poster on the Special Needs forum as my son and daughter both receive special ed services, although my daughter does not receive AAP services. What you are suggesting is that my son should not have a "choice" of schools. I disagree with you. I believe other parents would also disagree with you.

You are incorrect. What I am suggesting is that AAP kids - those who have no special needs - should not be given a choice of school. Kids who are in Gen Ed but also don't receive special ed services aren't given a choice of school. Nowhere did I say anything about where special needs kids should be educated. You're the one who keeps bringing trying to turn it into a straw man. Why do you insist on equating AAP with special needs? This discussion isn't about special ed.

This back and forth is idiotic and completely irrelevant to this thread. Why did you (or someone who thinks like you) ever feel the need to steer the discussion toward your own entitlement issue? We get that you don't like kids at LLIV schools having center as an option. But why not discuss it in a new thread?

Perhaps you should refresh yourself with the definition of entitlement: "the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)."

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If we're talking about "entitlement," we should be discussing why one group of kids in FCPS is given a choice of schools, while the other group is not.

Where do you want my child receiving special ed services to go? Our neighborhood school does not have the staff to support him. Should our neighborhood school hire specialists to meet his needs? Personally, I think it is less expensive to send him to a school to be with other children with similar needs, and the appropriate staff are in place for all of these children.

No one here is talking about special ed children. We're talking about AAP kids. Please don't equate the two as that only serves to insult kids who actually need special education; which AAP is not.

My son receives both special ed services and AAP services. Are you suggesting he should not receive both of these services?

AAP is not a special ed. program. Are their kids in AAP who receive special ed services? Sure. But AAP as a stand alone program is not special ed. Stop trying to equate the two. I'd love to see how the parents on the Special Needs forum would react to that.

I am a frequent poster on the Special Needs forum as my son and daughter both receive special ed services, although my daughter does not receive AAP services. What you are suggesting is that my son should not have a "choice" of schools. I disagree with you. I believe other parents would also disagree with you.

You are incorrect. What I am suggesting is that AAP kids - those who have no special needs - should not be given a choice of school. Kids who are in Gen Ed but also don't receive special ed services aren't given a choice of school. Nowhere did I say anything about where special needs kids should be educated. You're the one who keeps bringing trying to turn it into a straw man. Why do you insist on equating AAP with special needs? This discussion isn't about special ed.

This back and forth is idiotic and completely irrelevant to this thread. Why did you (or someone who thinks like you) ever feel the need to steer the discussion toward your own entitlement issue? We get that you don't like kids at LLIV schools having center as an option. But why not discuss it in a new thread?

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No one knows what a child's innate abilities are until they've actually been given an opportunity to prove themselves. You can't possibly compare intelligence or academic potential to athletic ability, especially at the age of seven. And especially when kids trying out for sports teams are given the chance to demonstrate what they're capable of. Also, you're talking about high school aged kids. We're talking about second graders. Huge difference and the situations aren't at all comparable. Nice try though.

In what way do you feel it was a "nice try"? Sounds like the opposite. Maybe instead of trying to be sarcastic you can try being specific. You imply that students are not given the chance to demonstrate their qualification for AAP. Yet you provide no explanation as to why tests like the NNAT and CogAT have zero value. You also provide no explanation why the opinions of teachers who observe student performance every day can provide no indication of intelligence of academic potential. You're basically dismissing PP's analogy by ignoring an entire system already in place to determine innate abilities. Not a nice try.

What on earth are you talking about? Yes, the point of my post was to "basically dismiss" the PP's analogy because it was such a poor one. Trying to compare high school JV and varsity teams, or orchestra seats - all of which are based on actual achievement and ability - to the potential intelligence of second graders is ridiculous. Second graders are far too young to be labeled "gifted" or not gifted. Kids in high school are often far different people than they were as 7 yr. olds.

Do you start or end every post with meaningless clichés? You present yourself as some sort of expert on elementary education but speak only in empty-headed conclusions. Clearly, the folks running the show disagree with you. But go on ranting like a petulant teen who's got it all figured out.

Actually, I think the PP made a good point. You're the one who seems to be ranting like a petulant teen. Anyone who knows anything about gifted education knows that the current theory is that giftedness shows itself in different ways and can be developed. That's why measuring potential as opposed to achievement (which at age 7-8 mostly correlates with family income) is so critical. Why not do a little research on your own before you come back here slinging insults?

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No one knows what a child's innate abilities are until they've actually been given an opportunity to prove themselves. You can't possibly compare intelligence or academic potential to athletic ability, especially at the age of seven. And especially when kids trying out for sports teams are given the chance to demonstrate what they're capable of. Also, you're talking about high school aged kids. We're talking about second graders. Huge difference and the situations aren't at all comparable. Nice try though.

In what way do you feel it was a "nice try"? Sounds like the opposite. Maybe instead of trying to be sarcastic you can try being specific. You imply that students are not given the chance to demonstrate their qualification for AAP. Yet you provide no explanation as to why tests like the NNAT and CogAT have zero value. You also provide no explanation why the opinions of teachers who observe student performance every day can provide no indication of intelligence of academic potential. You're basically dismissing PP's analogy by ignoring an entire system already in place to determine innate abilities. Not a nice try.

What on earth are you talking about? Yes, the point of my post was to "basically dismiss" the PP's analogy because it was such a poor one. Trying to compare high school JV and varsity teams, or orchestra seats - all of which are based on actual achievement and ability - to the potential intelligence of second graders is ridiculous. Second graders are far too young to be labeled "gifted" or not gifted. Kids in high school are often far different people than they were as 7 yr. olds.

They aren't labeled "gifted." Based on test scores, grades and teacher recommendations about 15% of the FCPS students are deemed academically academically. This really seems to gall you, but it seems about right to me.

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NP here. Virginia authorizes a "gifted" program, not one segregating kids because at the moment they happen to be advanced.

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No one knows what a child's innate abilities are until they've actually been given an opportunity to prove themselves. You can't possibly compare intelligence or academic potential to athletic ability, especially at the age of seven. And especially when kids trying out for sports teams are given the chance to demonstrate what they're capable of. Also, you're talking about high school aged kids. We're talking about second graders. Huge difference and the situations aren't at all comparable. Nice try though.

In what way do you feel it was a "nice try"? Sounds like the opposite. Maybe instead of trying to be sarcastic you can try being specific. You imply that students are not given the chance to demonstrate their qualification for AAP. Yet you provide no explanation as to why tests like the NNAT and CogAT have zero value. You also provide no explanation why the opinions of teachers who observe student performance every day can provide no indication of intelligence of academic potential. You're basically dismissing PP's analogy by ignoring an entire system already in place to determine innate abilities. Not a nice try.

What on earth are you talking about? Yes, the point of my post was to "basically dismiss" the PP's analogy because it was such a poor one. Trying to compare high school JV and varsity teams, or orchestra seats - all of which are based on actual achievement and ability - to the potential intelligence of second graders is ridiculous. Second graders are far too young to be labeled "gifted" or not gifted. Kids in high school are often far different people than they were as 7 yr. olds.

My child who is highly gifted (147 IQ) and NOT aspergers was clearly advanced as a preschooler and clearly gifted compared to peers by the start of kindergarten.

Second grade is not too young to identify as gifted. It is a very good age to classify kids because the early advanced kids really stand out at that point and the ones who were simplyprecocious or party trick preschoolers start to balance out.

Fortunately, fcps keeps this identification open all the way through seventh grade so kids who don't qualify in second and need more time to simmer have the oppportunity to do so and have their needs met in third-fourth or longer.

Your child is not wasting their time by remaining in gen ed in third. They are being challenged and having their needs met where they are at. If they show a need for more advanced instruction in later grades they can reapply.

You are arguing for fluid classrooms wheee your child is grouped with the most advanced kids in different subjects or units. Bt if your child is currently not showing a need for any AAP services, not the center, not advanced math, and not pull out level 3 services, what makes you think that this same child will be put into the most advanced groupings if AAPnis eliminated and all these top students move back to your child's school?

If your child is not getting those services with the AAP kids gone, she won't get those services when the AAP kids return.

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If we're talking about "entitlement," we should be discussing why one group of kids in FCPS is given a choice of schools, while the other group is not.

Where do you want my child receiving special ed services to go? Our neighborhood school does not have the staff to support him. Should our neighborhood school hire specialists to meet his needs? Personally, I think it is less expensive to send him to a school to be with other children with similar needs, and the appropriate staff are in place for all of these children.

No one here is talking about special ed children. We're talking about AAP kids. Please don't equate the two as that only serves to insult kids who actually need special education; which AAP is not.

My son receives both special ed services and AAP services. Are you suggesting he should not receive both of these services?

AAP is not a special ed. program. Are their kids in AAP who receive special ed services? Sure. But AAP as a stand alone program is not special ed. Stop trying to equate the two. I'd love to see how the parents on the Special Needs forum would react to that.

I am a frequent poster on the Special Needs forum as my son and daughter both receive special ed services, although my daughter does not receive AAP services. What you are suggesting is that my son should not have a "choice" of schools. I disagree with you. I believe other parents would also disagree with you.

You are incorrect. What I am suggesting is that AAP kids - those who have no special needs - should not be given a choice of school. Kids who are in Gen Ed but also don't receive special ed services aren't given a choice of school. Nowhere did I say anything about where special needs kids should be educated. You're the one who keeps bringing trying to turn it into a straw man. Why do you insist on equating AAP with special needs? This discussion isn't about special ed.

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No one knows what a child's innate abilities are until they've actually been given an opportunity to prove themselves. You can't possibly compare intelligence or academic potential to athletic ability, especially at the age of seven. And especially when kids trying out for sports teams are given the chance to demonstrate what they're capable of. Also, you're talking about high school aged kids. We're talking about second graders. Huge difference and the situations aren't at all comparable. Nice try though.

In what way do you feel it was a "nice try"? Sounds like the opposite. Maybe instead of trying to be sarcastic you can try being specific. You imply that students are not given the chance to demonstrate their qualification for AAP. Yet you provide no explanation as to why tests like the NNAT and CogAT have zero value. You also provide no explanation why the opinions of teachers who observe student performance every day can provide no indication of intelligence of academic potential. You're basically dismissing PP's analogy by ignoring an entire system already in place to determine innate abilities. Not a nice try.

What on earth are you talking about? Yes, the point of my post was to "basically dismiss" the PP's analogy because it was such a poor one. Trying to compare high school JV and varsity teams, or orchestra seats - all of which are based on actual achievement and ability - to the potential intelligence of second graders is ridiculous. Second graders are far too young to be labeled "gifted" or not gifted. Kids in high school are often far different people than they were as 7 yr. olds.

Do you start or end every post with meaningless clichés? You present yourself as some sort of expert on elementary education but speak only in empty-headed conclusions. Clearly, the folks running the show disagree with you. But go on ranting like a petulant teen who's got it all figured out.

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If we're talking about "entitlement," we should be discussing why one group of kids in FCPS is given a choice of schools, while the other group is not.

Where do you want my child receiving special ed services to go? Our neighborhood school does not have the staff to support him. Should our neighborhood school hire specialists to meet his needs? Personally, I think it is less expensive to send him to a school to be with other children with similar needs, and the appropriate staff are in place for all of these children.

No one here is talking about special ed children. We're talking about AAP kids. Please don't equate the two as that only serves to insult kids who actually need special education; which AAP is not.

My son receives both special ed services and AAP services. Are you suggesting he should not receive both of these services?

AAP is not a special ed. program. Are their kids in AAP who receive special ed services? Sure. But AAP as a stand alone program is not special ed. Stop trying to equate the two. I'd love to see how the parents on the Special Needs forum would react to that.

I am a frequent poster on the Special Needs forum as my son and daughter both receive special ed services, although my daughter does not receive AAP services. What you are suggesting is that my son should not have a "choice" of schools. I disagree with you. I believe other parents would also disagree with you.