Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:36     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
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Anonymous wrote:I see the Bernie bros are out in force

Let me tell you a few things. Bernie's plans means your taxes will go up. I know you think you are middle class, but in fact, you will be considered pretty rich and will pay accordingly. It's still not clear HOW he intends to implement and pay for any of his proposals, including his proposed healthcare overhaul (which is ridiculous considering the shitshow that the very middle of the road Obamacare caused). It is also pretty unclear to me what exactly he has accomplished in his very lengthy political career, and how he was able to use compromise and work across the isle to get things accomplished (spoiler alert: you need compromise if you want this country to work, as we have been well aware in the past 8 years). His gun and immigration policies are dismal, and as a senator from a very vanilla state, he has no idea how to represent the diverse make up of the entire US. Just a few things to mull over.

Hillary is by no means perfect. But, she has been fighting this fight for years, beginning with her projects as First Lady. She knows the ins and outs of Capitol Hill, and yes, she may have even been shady in those dealings at times, but guess what? That's how shit gets done. Furthermore, she is far, far, FAR more qualified in terms of foreign policy, and that is pretty damn important right now. Maybe this is me being a pragmatic, but she is the only one who can beat a Republican and the only moderate in the current presidential race.


Bs is right: If you wa t to slow the economic slide we've experienced since 1970, vote Hillary. If you want to reverse ut, vote Bernie. Period.

Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.


Great. Tell me exactly how all of this plans will be implemented. The logistics. I haven't seen that yet, and I am very interested.


Have you looked at what he has accomplished during his tenure on the Senate floor? The dude freaking walks around the floor with an old sandwich in one pocket and a banana hanging out of the other!!!

FOr Christ sake, I wish Liberals actually LOOKED at their candidate with an open mind, Did some research instead of absorbing what the liberal media spoon feeds your lemming mind!



Banana Bernie!!! HAHAHA
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:33     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans would relish running against Hillary.

She is detested by the Republican base and it would ensure a large turn-out. Combine that with the fact that some Bernie supporters would just not vote for her and her general lack of credibility and trustworthiness and Republicans think she would be beatable.

Embracing Obama as she did may play well for the primaries but it may not when it comes to the general but we know that she will happily discard Obama at that time.

Sanders does not evoke among Republicans the same sort of antipathy that Clinton does.



He's a joke among republicans!! The GOP won't vote for anyone except the GOP...


And you seriously believe there are Republicans who would voter for Hillary? I think it is a lot more likely that there are Democrats who would vote for Trump.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:31     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Republicans would relish running against Hillary.

She is detested by the Republican base and it would ensure a large turn-out. Combine that with the fact that some Bernie supporters would just not vote for her and her general lack of credibility and trustworthiness and Republicans think she would be beatable.

Embracing Obama as she did may play well for the primaries but it may not when it comes to the general but we know that she will happily discard Obama at that time.

Sanders does not evoke among Republicans the same sort of antipathy that Clinton does.


So you think that's why the Republicans were tweeting and emailing support for Sanders during the debate? Because they want to run against Hillary? That's a head scratcher.


Say what you will but Sanders polls better than Clinton against most of the Republican candidates.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:29     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:The Republicans would relish running against Hillary.

She is detested by the Republican base and it would ensure a large turn-out. Combine that with the fact that some Bernie supporters would just not vote for her and her general lack of credibility and trustworthiness and Republicans think she would be beatable.

Embracing Obama as she did may play well for the primaries but it may not when it comes to the general but we know that she will happily discard Obama at that time.

Sanders does not evoke among Republicans the same sort of antipathy that Clinton does.



He's a joke among republicans!! The GOP won't vote for anyone except the GOP...
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:27     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:The Republicans would relish running against Hillary.

She is detested by the Republican base and it would ensure a large turn-out. Combine that with the fact that some Bernie supporters would just not vote for her and her general lack of credibility and trustworthiness and Republicans think she would be beatable.

Embracing Obama as she did may play well for the primaries but it may not when it comes to the general but we know that she will happily discard Obama at that time.

Sanders does not evoke among Republicans the same sort of antipathy that Clinton does.


So you think that's why the Republicans were tweeting and emailing support for Sanders during the debate? Because they want to run against Hillary? That's a head scratcher.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:25     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
The Republicans would relish running against Hillary.

She is detested by the Republican base and it would ensure a large turn-out. Combine that with the fact that some Bernie supporters would just not vote for her and her general lack of credibility and trustworthiness and Republicans think she would be beatable.

Embracing Obama as she did may play well for the primaries but it may not when it comes to the general but we know that she will happily discard Obama at that time.

Sanders does not evoke among Republicans the same sort of antipathy that Clinton does.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:16     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
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Anonymous wrote:So, none of the Bernie supported have been able to explain what exactly they are supporting.

Bernie has great ideas, but he is not realistic, plain and simple. And while it's nice to be dreaming, I would rather have a functioning country. I will be glad to pay higher taxes in exchange for free education and healthcare. I also agree that our campaign financing system is screwed up. I am well aware of that because I do like to understand what is going on, and hence, I research. However, I would also like to see concrete plans to implement all of these proposed changes . I see none.

I do not think Bernie and Hillary hold fundamentally opposing views. In fact, they agree on a lot of things. The difference is that one is more pragmatic than the other. And while I would love to be an idealist, we all know how Washington works. And if you really want to accomplish things, you need to play the game. You seem to forget that the president's powers only extend so much and that he needs to work with Congress.



What makes you think Bernie won't be more of a realist if he gets elected? They all are. Obama certainly didn't do everything he campaigned on. Still waiting for Gitmo to close down. But he's very consistent in his stance, and we need policies that help the middle class STAY middle class, and policies that help lower income people climb up the ladder.


The problem is, nothing in Bernie's plan is realistic. I have repeatedly asked for specifics from Bernie supporters and I have gotten none.


Clicky linky: https://berniesanders.com/issues/

Yeah, the healthcare plan came out about two hours before the debate last night.

Bernie supporter, why do you think the Republicans are cheering on your candidate? I'd like to hear your opinion.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:06     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, none of the Bernie supported have been able to explain what exactly they are supporting.

Bernie has great ideas, but he is not realistic, plain and simple. And while it's nice to be dreaming, I would rather have a functioning country. I will be glad to pay higher taxes in exchange for free education and healthcare. I also agree that our campaign financing system is screwed up. I am well aware of that because I do like to understand what is going on, and hence, I research. However, I would also like to see concrete plans to implement all of these proposed changes . I see none.

I do not think Bernie and Hillary hold fundamentally opposing views. In fact, they agree on a lot of things. The difference is that one is more pragmatic than the other. And while I would love to be an idealist, we all know how Washington works. And if you really want to accomplish things, you need to play the game. You seem to forget that the president's powers only extend so much and that he needs to work with Congress.



What makes you think Bernie won't be more of a realist if he gets elected? They all are. Obama certainly didn't do everything he campaigned on. Still waiting for Gitmo to close down. But he's very consistent in his stance, and we need policies that help the middle class STAY middle class, and policies that help lower income people climb up the ladder.


The problem is, nothing in Bernie's plan is realistic. I have repeatedly asked for specifics from Bernie supporters and I have gotten none.


Clicky linky: https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:05     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
The GOP was tweeting and emailing support for Sanders last night. Did anyone see that? Unprecedented.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:05     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, none of the Bernie supported have been able to explain what exactly they are supporting.

Bernie has great ideas, but he is not realistic, plain and simple. And while it's nice to be dreaming, I would rather have a functioning country. I will be glad to pay higher taxes in exchange for free education and healthcare. I also agree that our campaign financing system is screwed up. I am well aware of that because I do like to understand what is going on, and hence, I research. However, I would also like to see concrete plans to implement all of these proposed changes . I see none.

I do not think Bernie and Hillary hold fundamentally opposing views. In fact, they agree on a lot of things. The difference is that one is more pragmatic than the other. And while I would love to be an idealist, we all know how Washington works. And if you really want to accomplish things, you need to play the game. You seem to forget that the president's powers only extend so much and that he needs to work with Congress.



What makes you think Bernie won't be more of a realist if he gets elected? They all are. Obama certainly didn't do everything he campaigned on. Still waiting for Gitmo to close down. But he's very consistent in his stance, and we need policies that help the middle class STAY middle class, and policies that help lower income people climb up the ladder.


The problem is, nothing in Bernie's plan is realistic. I have repeatedly asked for specifics from Bernie supporters and I have gotten none.


Whatever plan finally emerges will be based on some sort of compromise. ACA was nothing like the plan that Obama proposed when he was running for office. I would like to see a univeral coverage or at the least a public option included in ACA. Sanders, even if he wanted to do so, would not be able to increase taxes to the 90% that some of is detractors are claiming.


So you are voting for him knowing that he will not keep his promises? How does that even make sense?


And you seriously believe that Clinton will keep her promises?
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:01     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, none of the Bernie supported have been able to explain what exactly they are supporting.

Bernie has great ideas, but he is not realistic, plain and simple. And while it's nice to be dreaming, I would rather have a functioning country. I will be glad to pay higher taxes in exchange for free education and healthcare. I also agree that our campaign financing system is screwed up. I am well aware of that because I do like to understand what is going on, and hence, I research. However, I would also like to see concrete plans to implement all of these proposed changes . I see none.

I do not think Bernie and Hillary hold fundamentally opposing views. In fact, they agree on a lot of things. The difference is that one is more pragmatic than the other. And while I would love to be an idealist, we all know how Washington works. And if you really want to accomplish things, you need to play the game. You seem to forget that the president's powers only extend so much and that he needs to work with Congress.



What makes you think Bernie won't be more of a realist if he gets elected? They all are. Obama certainly didn't do everything he campaigned on. Still waiting for Gitmo to close down. But he's very consistent in his stance, and we need policies that help the middle class STAY middle class, and policies that help lower income people climb up the ladder.


The problem is, nothing in Bernie's plan is realistic. I have repeatedly asked for specifics from Bernie supporters and I have gotten none.


Whatever plan finally emerges will be based on some sort of compromise. ACA was nothing like the plan that Obama proposed when he was running for office. I would like to see a univeral coverage or at the least a public option included in ACA. Sanders, even if he wanted to do so, would not be able to increase taxes to the 90% that some of is detractors are claiming.


So you are voting for him knowing that he will not keep his promises? How does that even make sense?
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:01     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The debate and Hillary's views affirmed for me why I can never bring myself to vote for her. I support Bernie S and if he is not the nominee then I will just take a pass.

Hillary C, is just disingenuous and self-serving and just cannot be trusted. She has the audacity to criticize Sanders for his issues with Obama even as she went around eviscerating Obama in 2008 when she was running against him. She and Bill C, played the race card against him in South Carolina because when it comes to winning then anything goes whether it is Obama or Sanders or anyone else. I was disappointed that Sanders did not point this out to her.

Hillary C is owned by Wall Street despite her protestations. Is it any wonder that most Americans distrust her?


And this shows how little political knowledge you have. You are willing to aid in the rise of a right-wing president (because let's face it, Bernie would lose to either Trump or Cruz,and if you don't see that, you haven't been paying attention), rather than vote for a candidate who's views are quite aligned with Bernie's.



It is you who lack the political knowledge that you write about because polls show that Sanders would do better than Clinton against Trump and most of the other Republican candidates.

But the reason I - and quite a few others - would not vote for Clinton is because she is just dishonest - and given that over 60% of the electorate feels the same way mine is not an isolated opinion. I'd vote for Biden or Warren in a heart-beat.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 15:00     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, none of the Bernie supported have been able to explain what exactly they are supporting.

Bernie has great ideas, but he is not realistic, plain and simple. And while it's nice to be dreaming, I would rather have a functioning country. I will be glad to pay higher taxes in exchange for free education and healthcare. I also agree that our campaign financing system is screwed up. I am well aware of that because I do like to understand what is going on, and hence, I research. However, I would also like to see concrete plans to implement all of these proposed changes . I see none.

I do not think Bernie and Hillary hold fundamentally opposing views. In fact, they agree on a lot of things. The difference is that one is more pragmatic than the other. And while I would love to be an idealist, we all know how Washington works. And if you really want to accomplish things, you need to play the game. You seem to forget that the president's powers only extend so much and that he needs to work with Congress.



What makes you think Bernie won't be more of a realist if he gets elected? They all are. Obama certainly didn't do everything he campaigned on. Still waiting for Gitmo to close down. But he's very consistent in his stance, and we need policies that help the middle class STAY middle class, and policies that help lower income people climb up the ladder.


The problem is, nothing in Bernie's plan is realistic. I have repeatedly asked for specifics from Bernie supporters and I have gotten none.


Whatever plan finally emerges will be based on some sort of compromise. ACA was nothing like the plan that Obama proposed when he was running for office. I would like to see a univeral coverage or at the least a public option included in ACA. Sanders, even if he wanted to do so, would not be able to increase taxes to the 90% that some of is detractors are claiming.


This is what you don't understand. No new healthcare plan is going to emerge. Read the "plan," which is not even really a plan, and read the responses to it. Amazingly, he's managed to get some journalists saying Chelsea was kind of right after all.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 14:55     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, none of the Bernie supported have been able to explain what exactly they are supporting.

Bernie has great ideas, but he is not realistic, plain and simple. And while it's nice to be dreaming, I would rather have a functioning country. I will be glad to pay higher taxes in exchange for free education and healthcare. I also agree that our campaign financing system is screwed up. I am well aware of that because I do like to understand what is going on, and hence, I research. However, I would also like to see concrete plans to implement all of these proposed changes . I see none.

I do not think Bernie and Hillary hold fundamentally opposing views. In fact, they agree on a lot of things. The difference is that one is more pragmatic than the other. And while I would love to be an idealist, we all know how Washington works. And if you really want to accomplish things, you need to play the game. You seem to forget that the president's powers only extend so much and that he needs to work with Congress.



What makes you think Bernie won't be more of a realist if he gets elected? They all are. Obama certainly didn't do everything he campaigned on. Still waiting for Gitmo to close down. But he's very consistent in his stance, and we need policies that help the middle class STAY middle class, and policies that help lower income people climb up the ladder.


The problem is, nothing in Bernie's plan is realistic. I have repeatedly asked for specifics from Bernie supporters and I have gotten none.


Whatever plan finally emerges will be based on some sort of compromise. ACA was nothing like the plan that Obama proposed when he was running for office. I would like to see a univeral coverage or at the least a public option included in ACA. Sanders, even if he wanted to do so, would not be able to increase taxes to the 90% that some of is detractors are claiming.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2016 14:51     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:The debate and Hillary's views affirmed for me why I can never bring myself to vote for her. I support Bernie S and if he is not the nominee then I will just take a pass.

Hillary C, is just disingenuous and self-serving and just cannot be trusted. She has the audacity to criticize Sanders for his issues with Obama even as she went around eviscerating Obama in 2008 when she was running against him. She and Bill C, played the race card against him in South Carolina because when it comes to winning then anything goes whether it is Obama or Sanders or anyone else. I was disappointed that Sanders did not point this out to her.

Hillary C is owned by Wall Street despite her protestations. Is it any wonder that most Americans distrust her?


And this shows how little political knowledge you have. You are willing to aid in the rise of a right-wing president (because let's face it, Bernie would lose to either Trump or Cruz,and if you don't see that, you haven't been paying attention), rather than vote for a candidate who's views are quite aligned with Bernie's.