Anonymous
12/27/2015 13:28
Subject: NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is solely about immigrant anxiety and white privilege (although it is partially that.) I think it is about different models of education and concepts about what it means to be educated. Traditionally in the US we value things like creativity, personal development, thinking outside the box, and independent analysis. Asian education is more focused on rote learning that can be objectively judged through things like competitions and testing. Interestingly I have heard accounts of Chinese elites sending their kids to the US precisely to get access to the more creative thinking that they see lacking in their own institutions.
+1 exactly how I was going to respond. Lived in China, and the Chinese, rich and poor, act the same way in their own country.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 13:22
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ thank you for the link to the visa rules. It makes clear the students who come in via this route have to pay the school district the full cost of their education. In Fairfax County that's about $18,000 last I heard. So if they are doing this, fine. I wonder how many really are
The full cost of a public-school education for a student who resides in the school district is $0.
No, the budget is 2.6 billion, divide by the number of students. That's the full cost.
For high school students:
Foreign students who want to attend public secondary school (high school) must pay the full cost of education. This amount is listed under "tuition" on the student's Form I-20. If the Form I-20 does not include the cost of tuition, the student must have a notarized statement, signed by the designated school official (DSO) who signed the Form I-20, stating the full cost of tuition and that the student paid the tuition in full. The full, unsubsidized per capita (for each student) cost of education is the cost of providing education to each student in the school district where the public school is located. Costs normally range between $3,000 and $10,000. The student secondary school cost reimbursement requirement is mandatory and school systems cannot waive the reimbursement requirement.
The school district's residency office is in charge of enforcing this requirement. If you want to know how they enforce it, you can ask them. Here's the phone number: 703-204-6740.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 13:16
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ thank you for the link to the visa rules. It makes clear the students who come in via this route have to pay the school district the full cost of their education. In Fairfax County that's about $18,000 last I heard. So if they are doing this, fine. I wonder how many really are
The full cost of a public-school education for a student who resides in the school district is $0.
No, the budget is 2.6 billion, divide by the number of students. That's the full cost.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 13:13
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:^ thank you for the link to the visa rules. It makes clear the students who come in via this route have to pay the school district the full cost of their education. In Fairfax County that's about $18,000 last I heard. So if they are doing this, fine. I wonder how many really are
Interesting. I am the pp whose brother moved back to the US for his kids' education. I agree that most foreign kids probably do not pay tuition if they attend public school. My nephews and nieces however hold dual US/S. Korean citizenship. So I wouldn't assume that all foreign kids are all skirting the rules.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 13:07
Subject: NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
See, for example: http://www.fcps.edu/dss/osp/StudentRegistration/residency.shtml
Anonymous
12/27/2015 13:06
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:^ thank you for the link to the visa rules. It makes clear the students who come in via this route have to pay the school district the full cost of their education. In Fairfax County that's about $18,000 last I heard. So if they are doing this, fine. I wonder how many really are
The full cost of a public-school education for a student who resides in the school district is $0.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 13:05
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
^ thank you for the link to the visa rules. It makes clear the students who come in via this route have to pay the school district the full cost of their education. In Fairfax County that's about $18,000 last I heard. So if they are doing this, fine. I wonder how many really are
Anonymous
12/27/2015 12:57
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:Often they don't overstay. The parents go back and leave the kid here with a relative. You can read up on the Korean goose parents.
I have no problem with this if they attend a private boarding school. But we're talking about u.s. taxpayer funded public schools. And pretty sure there are no "student visas" for attending public es or ms.
Yes, there are.
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/study-exchange/student.html
Anonymous
12/27/2015 12:57
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
They are breaking the law if they came here as tourists, and then overstayed their visit.
Yes, if they are breaking the law, then they are breaking the law. However, there are also legal ways for a person to be from another country and enrolled in the US as a high school student.
S. Koreans do not need a tourist visa to enter the US. They either buy or rent in the school district of their choice and apply for a F1.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 12:55
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Often they don't overstay. The parents go back and leave the kid here with a relative. You can read up on the Korean goose parents.
I have no problem with this if they attend a private boarding school. But we're talking about u.s. taxpayer funded public schools. And pretty sure there are no "student visas" for attending public es or ms.
I have no problem with this if they attend a private boarding school. But we're talking about u.s. taxpayer funded public schools. And pretty sure there are no "student visas" for attending public es or ms.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 12:53
Subject: NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is how Republicans are born. Nice to see people waking up!
Republicans are born through a divide in an affluent New Jersey school district between white US-born (mostly) parents who think that accelerate-accelerate-push-push is not a good philosophy for K-12 schools and Chinese-immigrant (mostly) parents who think that accelerate-accelerate-push-push is necessary to get ahead? I didn't know that.
Lol! Princeton, NJ is about as Republican as DC.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 12:52
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:
They are breaking the law if they came here as tourists, and then overstayed their visit.
Yes, if they are breaking the law, then they are breaking the law. However, there are also legal ways for a person to be from another country and enrolled in the US as a high school student.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 12:50
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
I really don't think that the majority of Asian nationals studying in the US are breaking any laws. It's not that hard to get an F1. You have to get a letter of admission from a school and then prove that you have the funds to support the child and pay the student fees. I studied in the US on an F1 and the process was very straightforward.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 12:48
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, there are rules. But, plenty of people from all over the world break rules here in the US, and plenty of Americans break foreign rules when they visit other countries. The US gov't has better things to do than go after HS kids who are not committing violent crimes. I'd rather the gov't go after violent criminals, American born or otherwise, than spend tax dollars on going after HS kids from other countries. After all the violent criminals are gone, then they can spend time and money going after HS kids that are just studying.Anonymous wrote:The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?
Finally a honest answer. Yes they are breaking the ruleS but we should turn a blind eye to it because there are bigger problems in the world to worry about.
I do disagree that an American can go to other countries and get away with this. Most I'M familiar with rather strictly enforce their immigration rules.
PP here. I'm not just talking about overstaying your visit. I'm talking general law breaking. Plenty of Americans break laws when visiting foreign countries. Didn't say should turn a blind eye. Said, with limited resources, I'd rather go after violent criminals than HSers studying. Don't know the percentage, but I'm guessing there aren't thousands of such kids in the country studying, but there are thousands of violent criminals. Also, local gov't doesn't have any jurisdiction over enforcing immigration. They do, however, have a legal obligation to educate a child who lives in the county.
HSers studying is not rule breaking in any way, shape or form.
They are breaking the law if they came here as tourists, and then overstayed their visit.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 12:45
Subject: Re:NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, there are rules. But, plenty of people from all over the world break rules here in the US, and plenty of Americans break foreign rules when they visit other countries. The US gov't has better things to do than go after HS kids who are not committing violent crimes. I'd rather the gov't go after violent criminals, American born or otherwise, than spend tax dollars on going after HS kids from other countries. After all the violent criminals are gone, then they can spend time and money going after HS kids that are just studying.Anonymous wrote:The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?
Finally a honest answer. Yes they are breaking the ruleS but we should turn a blind eye to it because there are bigger problems in the world to worry about.
I do disagree that an American can go to other countries and get away with this. Most I'M familiar with rather strictly enforce their immigration rules.
PP here. I'm not just talking about overstaying your visit. I'm talking general law breaking. Plenty of Americans break laws when visiting foreign countries. Didn't say should turn a blind eye. Said, with limited resources, I'd rather go after violent criminals than HSers studying. Don't know the percentage, but I'm guessing there aren't thousands of such kids in the country studying, but there are thousands of violent criminals. Also, local gov't doesn't have any jurisdiction over enforcing immigration. They do, however, have a legal obligation to educate a child who lives in the county.
HSers studying is not rule breaking in any way, shape or form.