Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 20:00     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What does everyone make of the young female cousin? She was very convincing on the stand that she'd made up the story, but how would she know to give some of those details if Dassey hadn't told her?


I believe her statement to police was made after a lot of the information was made public via Kratz's press conference. Not 100% sure but I think that's what I remember from the doc.


I'm fairly certain this isn't the case. I'm getting all the details confused now and would have to go back to see, but I think she told the school counselor. The school counselor then called the police, who then did a follow up interview with Dassey. It was during this follow up they got his confession.

One specific detail was that Dassey said he saw body parts in the fire. Dassey didn't tell them this until the follow up interview.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 19:52     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
For those crying that the documentary is so one-sided and biased... documentaries are typically made to serve one side of an argument or the other. This is not new news.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 19:51     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:What does everyone make of the young female cousin? She was very convincing on the stand that she'd made up the story, but how would she know to give some of those details if Dassey hadn't told her?


I believe her statement to police was made after a lot of the information was made public via Kratz's press conference. Not 100% sure but I think that's what I remember from the doc.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 18:16     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
What does everyone make of the young female cousin? She was very convincing on the stand that she'd made up the story, but how would she know to give some of those details if Dassey hadn't told her?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 16:57     Subject: Re:Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Steven Avery thinks his brother(s) may have committed the murder-

http://www.businessinsider.com/making-a-murderer-convict-seven-avery-says-his-brothers-may-have-killed-teresa-halbach-2016-1

Wow I wish someone would do a new documentary and focus on all the new information we've heard since this series was released!


A lot of information the film makers kept out was deliberate. There was non-blood evidence revealed at trial that they did not include.

Basically, they were trying to feature a man wrongly jailed for rape, but the guy's a sleaze and actually murdered someone in the process of making their film. I think he was quite capable of murdering someone well b/f he went to jail for the rape he didn't commit.


This just doesn't make sense. He was free, had public opinion on his side, and stood to receive a $36 million payout from the county. He had a girlfriend and was going to get married. What possible motivation did he have to MURDER someone on his own property and then LEAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE THERE knowing the police had it out for him already?
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I'm not opining on his guilt or innocence, but I don't think most people who commit murder make a pros and cons list first.


I agree. The guy tortured animals, pulled a gun on a relative, he had all the makings of a criminal. He probably would have murdered someone; it was a matter of time.

"Acts of cruelty to animals are not mere indications of a minor personality flaw in the abuser; they are symptomatic of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty to animals don’t stop there—many of them move on to their fellow humans. “Murderers … very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids,” says Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)"
--Daniel Goleman, “Experts See Parallels Between Dahmer, Previous Serial Killers,” New York Times News Service, 11 Aug. 1991
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 16:51     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
Scenes of a Crime is a great documentary (available on iTunes) about a wrongful conviction based on a false confession. The man in the documentary admitted in the confession to killing his son. If you this that couldn't happen to you, watch the documentary.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 16:49     Subject: Re:Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:This documentary is so hideously one-sided it's a disgrace. Would have been much more effective and better filmmaking if they adequately presented the state's case. The only people I feel bad for are Brendan Dassey and Theresa Halbach -- the two victims in those case.


Theresa was tortured by Avery. This film maker did this to become famous and is completely biased. You are right. It is a disgrace.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 16:38     Subject: Re:Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:I'm most outraged by Brendan's situations. Here's what I want to know- aren't there any protections in place in the legal process for people who are mentally retarded and a juvenile, as Brendon was. He had an IQ of 70 which is borderline Mental Retardation. He was under age 18, yet he was given a life sentence? I'm incredulous that a juvenile who is borderline mentally retarded is put away for life based on a 'confession' he gave without an attorney or parent present. I don't know how those people who put him away sleep at night.

It reminds me of the case of the West Memphis 3 who were teenagers targeted by law enforcement for the murder of 3 little boys in their small Arkansas town. The only reason they were suspects essentially was because they were the misfits in the town, dressed in black, listened to heavy metal music, etc. There was no other evidence tying them to the murders other than people thought they would be the most likely to commit a crime like that. It was essentially a witch hunt. One of the three suspects also had an IQ around 70 and gave a confession that was heavily coerced and that he later rescinded. Two of the teenagers were sentenced to life and one to death. After serving nearly 20 years, they were released by utilizing the Alford Plea. Fascinating story and definite similarities to the Dassey/Avery case.
I know. This was the beginning of my education about the fact that a confession doesn't necessarily mean a person is guilty.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 16:38     Subject: Re:Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Steven Avery thinks his brother(s) may have committed the murder-

http://www.businessinsider.com/making-a-murderer-convict-seven-avery-says-his-brothers-may-have-killed-teresa-halbach-2016-1

Wow I wish someone would do a new documentary and focus on all the new information we've heard since this series was released!


A lot of information the film makers kept out was deliberate. There was non-blood evidence revealed at trial that they did not include.

Basically, they were trying to feature a man wrongly jailed for rape, but the guy's a sleaze and actually murdered someone in the process of making their film. I think he was quite capable of murdering someone well b/f he went to jail for the rape he didn't commit.


This just doesn't make sense. He was free, had public opinion on his side, and stood to receive a $36 million payout from the county. He had a girlfriend and was going to get married. What possible motivation did he have to MURDER someone on his own property and then LEAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE THERE knowing the police had it out for him already?
.


I'm not opining on his guilt or innocence, but I don't think most people who commit murder make a pros and cons list first.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 15:31     Subject: Re:Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Steven Avery thinks his brother(s) may have committed the murder-

http://www.businessinsider.com/making-a-murderer-convict-seven-avery-says-his-brothers-may-have-killed-teresa-halbach-2016-1

Wow I wish someone would do a new documentary and focus on all the new information we've heard since this series was released!


Here you go...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/another-steven-avery-special-making-a-murderer_568fc2ede4b0a2b6fb6fa432
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 12:16     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I find this whole thing really confusing but have come to the conclusion that the state shot themselves in the foot by inventing and then publicly describing this horrid tied-to-the-bed and raped/beaten story when that didn't happen. He also didn't shoot her in his garage. I mean obviously, the DNA is clear. It's not there. He DID kill her but they haven't found the site of where that happened. Because all her blood was in the trunk of her car, it happened somewhere off-site. Probably the salvage yard where they found those extra bone pieces. Then Avery took her in her own car back to his house and burned her body. He hid the car where he did because he's an idiot. I mean, they all have low IQ. He also probably thought he might have some sort of immunity due to the years he already spent in jail? Illogical but fits, IMO.


I just can't grasp why the tied to the bed part is so hard to believe? He ordered shackles just a few weeks before. Is that just a coincidence?


He said he ordered those to try something new with his fiancee. More importantly, there is no evidence of shackles ever being on the bed, nor rope, nor is any of Teresa's DNA ANYWHERE in his room, trailer, garage, etc. You always leave DNA behind when you are in any environment. It is literally impossible for TH to have been in that room, on that bed, and there be zero DNA of hers to be found anywhere.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 11:05     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I find this whole thing really confusing but have come to the conclusion that the state shot themselves in the foot by inventing and then publicly describing this horrid tied-to-the-bed and raped/beaten story when that didn't happen. He also didn't shoot her in his garage. I mean obviously, the DNA is clear. It's not there. He DID kill her but they haven't found the site of where that happened. Because all her blood was in the trunk of her car, it happened somewhere off-site. Probably the salvage yard where they found those extra bone pieces. Then Avery took her in her own car back to his house and burned her body. He hid the car where he did because he's an idiot. I mean, they all have low IQ. He also probably thought he might have some sort of immunity due to the years he already spent in jail? Illogical but fits, IMO.


I just can't grasp why the tied to the bed part is so hard to believe? He ordered shackles just a few weeks before. Is that just a coincidence?


There would have been SOMETHING in his room--her hair, dead skin cells, something. Maybe he used them, but it wasn't in his bedroom or the garage.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 10:50     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
Anonymous wrote:I find this whole thing really confusing but have come to the conclusion that the state shot themselves in the foot by inventing and then publicly describing this horrid tied-to-the-bed and raped/beaten story when that didn't happen. He also didn't shoot her in his garage. I mean obviously, the DNA is clear. It's not there. He DID kill her but they haven't found the site of where that happened. Because all her blood was in the trunk of her car, it happened somewhere off-site. Probably the salvage yard where they found those extra bone pieces. Then Avery took her in her own car back to his house and burned her body. He hid the car where he did because he's an idiot. I mean, they all have low IQ. He also probably thought he might have some sort of immunity due to the years he already spent in jail? Illogical but fits, IMO.


I just can't grasp why the tied to the bed part is so hard to believe? He ordered shackles just a few weeks before. Is that just a coincidence?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 10:30     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
I find this whole thing really confusing but have come to the conclusion that the state shot themselves in the foot by inventing and then publicly describing this horrid tied-to-the-bed and raped/beaten story when that didn't happen. He also didn't shoot her in his garage. I mean obviously, the DNA is clear. It's not there. He DID kill her but they haven't found the site of where that happened. Because all her blood was in the trunk of her car, it happened somewhere off-site. Probably the salvage yard where they found those extra bone pieces. Then Avery took her in her own car back to his house and burned her body. He hid the car where he did because he's an idiot. I mean, they all have low IQ. He also probably thought he might have some sort of immunity due to the years he already spent in jail? Illogical but fits, IMO.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2016 10:12     Subject: Making a Murderer on Netflix
Pp I said the same thing to my husband about the WM3 case. Jessie Misskelley was also a mentally challenged teen whose coerced confession that had zero basis in the reality and evidence of what actually happened helped put away 3 men for years. I can see how jurors thought the blood evidence was enough to put Avery away. How any juror, judge or lawyer lievs with what happened to Brendan is beyond me.