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Anonymous wrote:None of these kids should be starting before 8 a.m. Period.

Most ADULTS at my office don't wander in until between 9 and 10.

you obviously don't work at the pentagon -- I'm guessing you are in law which tends to start late and stay late. Military folks consider 7:00 a.m. a "late schedule."

"Military folks" aren't 12-18 yr. old kids. Most adults aren't required to leave for their workplace at 6:20 am and adolescents shouldn't be either.

I agree with you on the bolded part. Read carefully. I never said anything about kids. I simply responded to your comment about your co-workers not coming in until 9 or 10 a.m. Nothing in my response related to the value or equity of MS or HS kids taking early buses.

I was the person who made the first post and I'm not entirely sure your point. Yes, some adults work early. They choose their career or employer. Military, you are right, tend to work earlier. But, I'm civilian (government) and we basically get to set our time to come in (NLT 10:00). Same was true at my prior agency. The vast majority are around 9 a.m. (and some later). The fact that we hold these kids - who need the sleep- to a harsher standard than adults are willing to hold themselves to is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:In all the hoopla around the later HS start times and justification of the Millions $$$ spent, their was no mention of the MS students getting screwed. Bait and Switch. Karen Garza was so eager to get this through that there was no transparency about the downside, which should have been discussed. Certainly, no one raised this at our MS last year. When you add this to the high stakes budget BS, she's building a lot of distrust.

There was mention, but no one listened. I was extremely vocal about what would happen to middle schoolers. Not only are they getting up at some godforsaken hour, but they are now the group that will spend the most time alone, unsupervised in the afternoons until their parents can get home. And 13 is the perfect age for that, huh?

It's terrible. These poor kids.

30 minutes before last year is "godforsaken"?

Last year, our bus came at 7:30. This year it's 6:30. this morning, the 5:40 wake up felt pretty godforsaken, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:In all the hoopla around the later HS start times and justification of the Millions $$$ spent, their was no mention of the MS students getting screwed. Bait and Switch. Karen Garza was so eager to get this through that there was no transparency about the downside, which should have been discussed. Certainly, no one raised this at our MS last year. When you add this to the high stakes budget BS, she's building a lot of distrust.

There was mention, but no one listened. I was extremely vocal about what would happen to middle schoolers. Not only are they getting up at some godforsaken hour, but they are now the group that will spend the most time alone, unsupervised in the afternoons until their parents can get home. And 13 is the perfect age for that, huh?

It's terrible. These poor kids.

30 minutes before last year is "godforsaken"?

Back to school night they treated us to the budget shortfall video. Why on earth did we spend all this money on new bell schedules???

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Anonymous wrote:In all the hoopla around the later HS start times and justification of the Millions $$$ spent, their was no mention of the MS students getting screwed. Bait and Switch. Karen Garza was so eager to get this through that there was no transparency about the downside, which should have been discussed. Certainly, no one raised this at our MS last year. When you add this to the high stakes budget BS, she's building a lot of distrust.

There was mention, but no one listened. I was extremely vocal about what would happen to middle schoolers. Not only are they getting up at some godforsaken hour, but they are now the group that will spend the most time alone, unsupervised in the afternoons until their parents can get home. And 13 is the perfect age for that, huh?

It's terrible. These poor kids.

Let's be fair: what trouble could a 12 or 13 year old boy, home alone 2:30-6 or 6:30 possibly get into? *shudder*. Certainly not sex, drugs and binging on video games. And what could possibly go wrong having 12 year old girls walking alone to the bus or school in the dark? But hey! We spent $5 million so it must be right!

Anonymous wrote:In all the hoopla around the later HS start times and justification of the Millions $$$ spent, their was no mention of the MS students getting screwed. Bait and Switch. Karen Garza was so eager to get this through that there was no transparency about the downside, which should have been discussed. Certainly, no one raised this at our MS last year. When you add this to the high stakes budget BS, she's building a lot of distrust.

There was mention, but no one listened. I was extremely vocal about what would happen to middle schoolers. Not only are they getting up at some godforsaken hour, but they are now the group that will spend the most time alone, unsupervised in the afternoons until their parents can get home. And 13 is the perfect age for that, huh?

It's terrible. These poor kids.

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It has shifted to a different set if middle schoolers now, but fewer kids overall are dealing with this schedule than before, so that is progress.

And, there are lots of high schoolers still dealing with the 6:30 bus--but spending twice as long on the bus. System: FAIL

What schools are these? The high school kids near us are leaving at about 7:30.

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I know of no one who has had an issue with the later high school bus. Ours comes at 7:15 as opposed to last year's 6:15. Huge improvement.

same here, it has been a huge improvement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

probably not. I think the issue is the huge price tag during a budget crisis on a solution that just subs MS kids for HS kids (without making it clear that that was going to happen).

They made it VERY clear that the MS/HS switch was what was going to happen. The name of that schedule option was "MS/HS flip."

Yep. But these people will whine about anything since they didn't get their way. It was very clear that option was to switch MS and HS times.

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It has shifted to a different set if middle schoolers now, but fewer kids overall are dealing with this schedule than before, so that is progress.

And, there are lots of high schoolers still dealing with the 6:30 bus--but spending twice as long on the bus. System: FAIL

What schools are these? The high school kids near us are leaving at about 7:30.

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I know of no one who has had an issue with the later high school bus. Ours comes at 7:15 as opposed to last year's 6:15. Huge improvement.

Agreed. This is a big and long overdue improvement.

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I do wish they'd start the middle schoolers later too, though. But I am eternally grateful that my high schoolers get a little extra sleep.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It has shifted to a different set if middle schoolers now, but fewer kids overall are dealing with this schedule than before, so that is progress.

And, there are lots of high schoolers still dealing with the 6:30 bus--but spending twice as long on the bus. System: FAIL

What schools are these? The high school kids near us are leaving at about 7:30.

+1
I know of no one who has had an issue with the later high school bus. Ours comes at 7:15 as opposed to last year's 6:15. Huge improvement.

same here, it has been a huge improvement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

probably not. I think the issue is the huge price tag during a budget crisis on a solution that just subs MS kids for HS kids (without making it clear that that was going to happen).

They made it VERY clear that the MS/HS switch was what was going to happen. The name of that schedule option was "MS/HS flip."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It has shifted to a different set if middle schoolers now, but fewer kids overall are dealing with this schedule than before, so that is progress.

And, there are lots of high schoolers still dealing with the 6:30 bus--but spending twice as long on the bus. System: FAIL

What schools are these? The high school kids near us are leaving at about 7:30.

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I know of no one who has had an issue with the later high school bus. Ours comes at 7:15 as opposed to last year's 6:15. Huge improvement.

Agreed. This is a big and long overdue improvement.

Too bad we can't afford it. I wonder what a slightly used school bus is worth? We'll have a few to sell when we go back to the old (cheaper) bus schedule.

Oh, nonsense.

It's clear we can't afford the new schedule, and the old schedule was demonstrably cheaper.

So which part is nonsense? The only nonsense I'm aware of comes from the SLEEP crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:None of these kids should be starting before 8 a.m. Period.

Most ADULTS at my office don't wander in until between 9 and 10.

you obviously don't work at the pentagon -- I'm guessing you are in law which tends to start late and stay late. Military folks consider 7:00 a.m. a "late schedule."

"Military folks" aren't 12-18 yr. old kids. Most adults aren't required to leave for their workplace at 6:20 am and adolescents shouldn't be either.

I agree with you on the bolded part. Read carefully. I never said anything about kids. I simply responded to your comment about your co-workers not coming in until 9 or 10 a.m. Nothing in my response related to the value or equity of MS or HS kids taking early buses.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It has shifted to a different set if middle schoolers now, but fewer kids overall are dealing with this schedule than before, so that is progress.

And, there are lots of high schoolers still dealing with the 6:30 bus--but spending twice as long on the bus. System: FAIL

What schools are these? The high school kids near us are leaving at about 7:30.

+1
I know of no one who has had an issue with the later high school bus. Ours comes at 7:15 as opposed to last year's 6:15. Huge improvement.

Agreed. This is a big and long overdue improvement.

Too bad we can't afford it. I wonder what a slightly used school bus is worth? We'll have a few to sell when we go back to the old (cheaper) bus schedule.

Oh, nonsense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It has shifted to a different set if middle schoolers now, but fewer kids overall are dealing with this schedule than before, so that is progress.

And, there are lots of high schoolers still dealing with the 6:30 bus--but spending twice as long on the bus. System: FAIL

What schools are these? The high school kids near us are leaving at about 7:30.

+1
I know of no one who has had an issue with the later high school bus. Ours comes at 7:15 as opposed to last year's 6:15. Huge improvement.

Agreed. This is a big and long overdue improvement.

Too bad we can't afford it. I wonder what a slightly used school bus is worth? We'll have a few to sell when we go back to the old (cheaper) bus schedule.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It has shifted to a different set if middle schoolers now, but fewer kids overall are dealing with this schedule than before, so that is progress.

And, there are lots of high schoolers still dealing with the 6:30 bus--but spending twice as long on the bus. System: FAIL

What schools are these? The high school kids near us are leaving at about 7:30.

+1
I know of no one who has had an issue with the later high school bus. Ours comes at 7:15 as opposed to last year's 6:15. Huge improvement.

Agreed. This is a big and long overdue improvement.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It has shifted to a different set if middle schoolers now, but fewer kids overall are dealing with this schedule than before, so that is progress.

And, there are lots of high schoolers still dealing with the 6:30 bus--but spending twice as long on the bus. System: FAIL

What schools are these? The high school kids near us are leaving at about 7:30.

+1
I know of no one who has had an issue with the later high school bus. Ours comes at 7:15 as opposed to last year's 6:15. Huge improvement.

same here, it has been a huge improvement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

probably not. I think the issue is the huge price tag during a budget crisis on a solution that just subs MS kids for HS kids (without making it clear that that was going to happen).