Anonymous wrote:The anti-SLEEP nuts make me yawn. This was a long overdue change. You lost.

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nope. they'll move to address middle school start times next,

How much will that cost? We can't even afford to the later high school times.

but in the meantime the fewest kids will be impacted by early start times.

You do know that middle school kids actually need more sleep than high school kids? Did the hypocrites at SLEEP forget that little fact?

many kids don't even hit puberty till after middle school so they don't have as difficult a time falling asleep at night as ALL high schoolers.

I'd love to see some evidence that ALL high schoolers have a difficult time getting to sleep.

secondly, the pressures on middle-schoolers aren't as great academically as they are on high school students. most are taking 2- perhaps 3 high school courses in those two years. for high schoolers EVERYTHING counts.

So EVERYTHING counts for high schoolers? Then perhaps they should take their studies seriously and get to bed on time.

All high schoolers obviously do not have a hard time going to sleep. The PP was exaggerating. I offer up my two teenagers as proof. They go to bed by 9:30 pm most. Nights and sleep to about 6am during the school year. Only times they have trouble falling asleep is if they are nervous about something.

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Anonymous wrote:Why have they never considered cutting the IB program as a whole and reverting those schools back to AP?

It would cut massive expenditures and eliminate a lot of student transfers.

It is an option on the list.

But it is not a "massive" cut in expenditures. Relatively speaking, it is listed as a "medium" cut, meaning it would save 2-5million.

The detailed costing data has not yet been provided. It is my understanding it will be included in the next round (for the August 4 meeting) and will be included in the online budget balancing tool, to be made available in about a month.

The budget tool looks pretty good.

http://budgettool.fcps.edu/

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nope. they'll move to address middle school start times next,

How much will that cost? We can't even afford to the later high school times.

but in the meantime the fewest kids will be impacted by early start times.

You do know that middle school kids actually need more sleep than high school kids? Did the hypocrites at SLEEP forget that little fact?

many kids don't even hit puberty till after middle school so they don't have as difficult a time falling asleep at night as ALL high schoolers.

I'd love to see some evidence that ALL high schoolers have a difficult time getting to sleep.

secondly, the pressures on middle-schoolers aren't as great academically as they are on high school students. most are taking 2- perhaps 3 high school courses in those two years. for high schoolers EVERYTHING counts.

So EVERYTHING counts for high schoolers? Then perhaps they should take their studies seriously and get to bed on time.

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I have two in high school now and one in college. I've been through the whole cycle and nothing is worse than the effects I've seen from the combination of lack of sleep and the stress of high school on kids. And these aren't just my kids. I work in the schools and I know tons of kids.

LOL! Lots of us know tons of kids. Most of the high school teachers I know did not want the change.

My kids didn't love going to school early--but they did and did fine--as do most of them. If you think thirty minutes is going to change your life, good for you. I think it is ridiculous that FCPS is spending money on this change and turning all schools and households upside down. Rush hour is going to shock people with the buses on the road. And, the afternoon rush hour will be worse.

This was a political issue driven by people who are convinced that all will be rainbows and unicorns if their kids can just go to school thirty minutes later. What a crock.

Not rainbows and unicorns, but better. There is certainly a vocal minority that is strongly opposed, but they are a minority.

nope. they'll move to address middle school start times next,

but in the meantime the fewest kids will be impacted by early start times.

many kids don't even hit puberty till after middle school so they don't have as difficult a time falling asleep at night as ALL high schoolers.

secondly, the pressures on middle-schoolers aren't as great academically as they are on high school students. most are taking 2- perhaps 3 high school courses in those two years. for high schoolers EVERYTHING counts.

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Anonymous wrote:I would vote for eliminating IB (including middle and elementary schools, which is lot listed) and undoing the later start times. That should be around $10 million right there.

"It is not something we can consider at this time." --Dr. Karen Garza

39:50 mark of the linked YouTube video

I don't have time right now to watch the whole video, but did she say WHY that's not an option at this time? Is it b/c they spent so much money and political capital getting it implemented?

Pretty much what you said -- they already purchased the buses and the changes have already been put in place for FY 2016.

She also stated -- and the chair of the Budget Task Force explained in more detail -- what is on the possibilities list is just the result of brainstorming efforts. The task force did not remove items because it didn't fit with the philosophy of the School Board, etc. They just put everything on the table, and the only things removed were if it would not affect the operating budget in FY 2017, if it is already being done, or if it is illegal.

Dr. Garza emphasized the ultimate decision makers on any of these possibilities is the School Board, with her working with the Board.

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I have two in high school now and one in college. I've been through the whole cycle and nothing is worse than the effects I've seen from the combination of lack of sleep and the stress of high school on kids. And these aren't just my kids. I work in the schools and I know tons of kids.

LOL! Lots of us know tons of kids. Most of the high school teachers I know did not want the change.

My kids didn't love going to school early--but they did and did fine--as do most of them. If you think thirty minutes is going to change your life, good for you. I think it is ridiculous that FCPS is spending money on this change and turning all schools and households upside down. Rush hour is going to shock people with the buses on the road. And, the afternoon rush hour will be worse.

This was a political issue driven by people who are convinced that all will be rainbows and unicorns if their kids can just go to school thirty minutes later. What a crock.

Not rainbows and unicorns, but better. There is certainly a vocal minority that is strongly opposed, but they are a minority.

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I have two in high school now and one in college. I've been through the whole cycle and nothing is worse than the effects I've seen from the combination of lack of sleep and the stress of high school on kids. And these aren't just my kids. I work in the schools and I know tons of kids.

LOL! Lots of us know tons of kids. Most of the high school teachers I know did not want the change.

My kids didn't love going to school early--but they did and did fine--as do most of them. If you think thirty minutes is going to change your life, good for you. I think it is ridiculous that FCPS is spending money on this change and turning all schools and households upside down. Rush hour is going to shock people with the buses on the road. And, the afternoon rush hour will be worse.

This was a political issue driven by people who are convinced that all will be rainbows and unicorns if their kids can just go to school thirty minutes later. What a crock.

I have two in high school now and one in college. I've been through the whole cycle and nothing is worse than the effects I've seen from the combination of lack of sleep and the stress of high school on kids. And these aren't just my kids. I work in the schools and I know tons of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:They're going to create middle school zombies instead.

nope. they'll move to address middle school start times next, but in the meantime the fewest kids will be impacted by early start times. many kids don't even hit puberty till after middle school so they don't have as difficult a time falling asleep at night as ALL high schoolers. Plus, presumably their parents of 12-14 year olds have an easier time enforcing a bedtime.

secondly, the pressures on middle-schoolers aren't as great academically as they are on high school students. most are taking 2- perhaps 3 high school courses in those two years. for high schoolers EVERYTHING counts.

Your kids must be younger than MS. I have a middle schooler. She can not fall asleep before 10 or 11...she in in the throws of puberty...and there is nothing I can do to require her to go to sleep....I can have her in her bed at 9, but she does not fall asleep until 10 or 11....

Almost all middle schoolers are in the worst of puberty...at least the girls...

I am not looking forward to this school year....

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Anonymous wrote:They're going to create middle school zombies instead.

nope. they'll move to address middle school start times next, but in the meantime the fewest kids will be impacted by early start times. many kids don't even hit puberty till after middle school so they don't have as difficult a time falling asleep at night as ALL high schoolers. Plus, presumably their parents of 12-14 year olds have an easier time enforcing a bedtime.

secondly, the pressures on middle-schoolers aren't as great academically as they are on high school students. most are taking 2- perhaps 3 high school courses in those two years. for high schoolers EVERYTHING counts.

Anonymous wrote:They're going to create middle school zombies instead.