Anonymous wrote:by turning all forms of sex into rape, you guys have diluted the impact and the severity of rape.

What are the "all forms of sex" being turned into rape? I'm asking genuinely.

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I'm sorry but if a guy says "you don't love me if you don't have sex with me", that is NOT rape. That is such a ridiculous statement. As a rape victim I'm disgusted.

It sure is coercion, though. Is consent possible, if there is coercion? (And what do we call sexual contact without consent?)

Yeah, I'm grossed out by people picking apart what constitutes rape. We as a society are FINALLY getting somewhere with teaching guys and then you have people poo-pooing other women's coercion. ANd yes, it most certainly can be rape to be told to have sex OR ELSE. Forcing someone to have sex with them when they don't want to is not healthy consent, that is for sure, and I am agog that it's being justified here. Gross.

It may not be healthy consent, but it is NOT rape.

OR ELSE what? or else he breaks up with her? And that is rape? give me a break.

I always thought it meant - "Have sex with me or I will beat you/kill you" or some other horrific thing. - RAPE

I don't think anyone is saying - "Have sex with me or I'll break up with you/I'm leaving/I won't take you to prom" is considered rape.

A gray area might be driving a woman to a remote location, at night and saying - "I'm not taking you back home until you have sex with me". In fact, I don't even think that's a gray area....that would be an assault.

but that is exactly what people are arguing. There is a case going round now where a woman is trying to petition in cases where women have sex in situations where they agreed, but then regretted the sex after, there's rape. Or if they had rape under circumstances where they thought one set of assumptions (e.g. th eguy was rich) and then found out later it wasn't Noone is arguing if a woman had sex where she was threatened with violence that is not a straightforward case of rape.

by turning all forms of sex into rape, you guys have diluted the impact and the severity of rape.

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I'm sorry but if a guy says "you don't love me if you don't have sex with me", that is NOT rape. That is such a ridiculous statement. As a rape victim I'm disgusted.

It sure is coercion, though. Is consent possible, if there is coercion? (And what do we call sexual contact without consent?)

Yeah, I'm grossed out by people picking apart what constitutes rape. We as a society are FINALLY getting somewhere with teaching guys and then you have people poo-pooing other women's coercion. ANd yes, it most certainly can be rape to be told to have sex OR ELSE. Forcing someone to have sex with them when they don't want to is not healthy consent, that is for sure, and I am agog that it's being justified here. Gross.

It may not be healthy consent, but it is NOT rape.

OR ELSE what? or else he breaks up with her? And that is rape? give me a break.

I always thought it meant - "Have sex with me or I will beat you/kill you" or some other horrific thing.

I don't think anyone is saying - "Have sex with me or I'll break up with you/I'm leaving/I won't take you to prom" is considered rape.

A gray area might be driving a woman to a remote location, at night and saying - "I'm not taking you back home until you have sex with me". In fact, I don't even think that's a gray area....that would be an assault.

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Anonymous wrote:"breaks up wiht her"- yeah, if it was just limited to something that easy. Again, naive people talking out their butts having no clue what some women have had to endure when it comes to threats and sex. HOLY SHIT.

you are the one that is naive. It is by a case by case basis.

No. You are. I promise you that. You really have no idea.

But please. Keep on keeping on with your rape apologist posts.

There were some links posted earlier about how men don't even realize what rape is half the time (with links, facts, and all that cool stuff), and I doubt they were even read. Try working for a couple of days at a rape crisis center and get some insight.

Anonymous wrote:"breaks up wiht her"- yeah, if it was just limited to something that easy. Again, naive people talking out their butts having no clue what some women have had to endure when it comes to threats and sex. HOLY SHIT.

you are the one that is naive. It is by a case by case basis.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/1/8687479/lie-rape-statistics

A growing consensus: between 2 and 8 percent of allegations

So why do people make false accusations? The Los Angeles study suggested multiple reasons — including, for many accusers, mental health issues — but the most common reason by far was because they needed an alibi. Many of the false accusers identified in the Los Angeles study were teenagers who made up a rape allegation so they wouldn't get in trouble for breaking curfew. Others had cheated on their partners, and tried to cover up the infidelity by calling it rape.

"breaks up wiht her"- yeah, if it was just limited to something that easy. Again, naive people talking out their butts having no clue what some women have had to endure when it comes to threats and sex. HOLY SHIT.

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I'm sorry but if a guy says "you don't love me if you don't have sex with me", that is NOT rape. That is such a ridiculous statement. As a rape victim I'm disgusted.

It sure is coercion, though. Is consent possible, if there is coercion? (And what do we call sexual contact without consent?)

Yeah, I'm grossed out by people picking apart what constitutes rape. We as a society are FINALLY getting somewhere with teaching guys and then you have people poo-pooing other women's coercion. ANd yes, it most certainly can be rape to be told to have sex OR ELSE. Forcing someone to have sex with them when they don't want to is not healthy consent, that is for sure, and I am agog that it's being justified here. Gross.

It may not be healthy consent, but it is NOT rape.

OR ELSE what? or else he breaks up with her? And that is rape? give me a break.

It can be. Count your blessings that this is not something you have to be worried about. Holy cow, some people here are really naive.

In that case due to the nebulous logic here a woman who tells a guy that she is on birth control but actually is not, coercing the guy to have sex with her. That's rape too.

By using fuzzy logic on what was a very straightforward definition what rape is, all you guy shave done is make all sorts of sex rape.

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I'm sorry but if a guy says "you don't love me if you don't have sex with me", that is NOT rape. That is such a ridiculous statement. As a rape victim I'm disgusted.

It sure is coercion, though. Is consent possible, if there is coercion? (And what do we call sexual contact without consent?)

Yeah, I'm grossed out by people picking apart what constitutes rape. We as a society are FINALLY getting somewhere with teaching guys and then you have people poo-pooing other women's coercion. ANd yes, it most certainly can be rape to be told to have sex OR ELSE. Forcing someone to have sex with them when they don't want to is not healthy consent, that is for sure, and I am agog that it's being justified here. Gross.

It may not be healthy consent, but it is NOT rape.

OR ELSE what? or else he breaks up with her? And that is rape? give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:

I'm sorry but if a guy says "you don't love me if you don't have sex with me", that is NOT rape. That is such a ridiculous statement. As a rape victim I'm disgusted.

It sure is coercion, though. Is consent possible, if there is coercion? (And what do we call sexual contact without consent?)

Yeah, I'm grossed out by people picking apart what constitutes rape. We as a society are FINALLY getting somewhere with teaching guys and then you have people poo-pooing other women's coercion. ANd yes, it most certainly can be rape to be told to have sex OR ELSE. Forcing someone to have sex with them when they don't want to is not healthy consent, that is for sure, and I am agog that it's being justified here. Gross.

It may not be healthy consent, but it is NOT rape.

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Anonymous wrote:

I'm sorry but if a guy says "you don't love me if you don't have sex with me", that is NOT rape. That is such a ridiculous statement. As a rape victim I'm disgusted.

It sure is coercion, though. Is consent possible, if there is coercion? (And what do we call sexual contact without consent?)

Yeah, I'm grossed out by people picking apart what constitutes rape. We as a society are FINALLY getting somewhere with teaching guys and then you have people poo-pooing other women's coercion. ANd yes, it most certainly can be rape to be told to have sex OR ELSE. Forcing someone to have sex with them when they don't want to is not healthy consent, that is for sure, and I am agog that it's being justified here. Gross.