I don't consider jumping on furniture "wracking the place".Its the sign that children need more physical activity.
I have a different approach and think that trully free person can't be raised in prison.And I don't want him to be raised with bunch of psychological problems,supressed by opinion of this materialistic society .I try to explain what's good or bed,but that would not include "jumping on furniture".

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Do you mean "shirtsleeves to shirtless"? Don't understand comment.

The expression is "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations".

I suppose that generation #2 (child of wealth-accumulating generation #1, parent of spendthrift generation #3) is born and dies wearing a jacket?

You've missed the point. Generation one (shirtsleeves) has nothing, but works hard and makes it, thus giving to their children (generation two) a cushy lifestyle. Generation Two, never having had anything required of them, subsequently takes said company fortune and blows it, thus leaving their children -- Generation Three - nothing, except the opportunity to start all over again in their shirtsleeves.

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Do you mean "shirtsleeves to shirtless"? Don't understand comment.

The expression is "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations".

I suppose that generation #2 (child of wealth-accumulating generation #1, parent of spendthrift generation #3) is born and dies wearing a jacket?

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One percenters who operate in the corporate world have a different viewpoint. They want kids who are risk takers and who won't take guff. They want a kid who sees a grade of "B" on a test paper as an initial negotiating point.

And after said brat has been "counseled out" of every high profile internship and entry level analyst position (attained via family connections) because no one ever taught them to treat people well, he or she will be back working in the family business---which will promptly be run into the ground. There is a reason for the axiom "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations". Truly smart corporate types know that building and keeping strong relationships with clients, investors, customers, and lenders is the key to continued success and raising children who can interact appropriately is the first step in teaching those skills.

+100. My grandfather was commodore of our super snooty club in Maine. And he was a high level fed who insisted we had good manners. PP nailed it re shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 gen.
Then again, our economy didn't have such income disparity those days...


The idea that you can negotiate a grade is preposterous, and sad. Earn your A, with extra credit, if you have to. Not by intimidation.

Do you mean "shirtsleeves to shirtless"? Don't understand comment.

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OMG, you people who are too good for this thread yet can't stay away from this thread crack me up. What a riot!

It's like rubbernecking at the scene of a wreck -- you know you shouldn't do it, yet you are unable to stop yourself.

Anyway, in real life, I never encounter anybody who says things like, "The last time I was at Chevy, I...", so it's DCUM-reading or nothing.

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One percenters who operate in the corporate world have a different viewpoint. They want kids who are risk takers and who won't take guff. They want a kid who sees a grade of "B" on a test paper as an initial negotiating point.

And after said brat has been "counseled out" of every high profile internship and entry level analyst position (attained via family connections) because no one ever taught them to treat people well, he or she will be back working in the family business---which will promptly be run into the ground. There is a reason for the axiom "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations". Truly smart corporate types know that building and keeping strong relationships with clients, investors, customers, and lenders is the key to continued success and raising children who can interact appropriately is the first step in teaching those skills.

+100. My grandfather was commodore of our super snooty club in Maine. And he was a high level fed who insisted we had good manners. PP nailed it re shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 gen.
Then again, our economy didn't have such income disparity those days...


The idea that you can negotiate a grade is preposterous, and sad. Earn your A, with extra credit, if you have to. Not by intimidation.

Never seen children behaving badly with my own eyes. Need to get out more?

Anonymous wrote:Some of you one percenters make my flesh crawl. The arrogance is appalling. I clawed my way out of poverty, but I never forgot what it's like; still have nightmares many years later. You are doing such a disservice to your children when you spoil them. The sad thing is you don't even realize it.

Blah, blah, blah.

Some of you one percenters make my flesh crawl. The arrogance is appalling. I clawed my way out of poverty, but I never forgot what it's like; still have nightmares many years later. You are doing such a disservice to your children when you spoil them. The sad thing is you don't even realize it.

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Anonymous wrote: One percenters who operate in the corporate world have a different viewpoint. They want kids who are risk takers and who won't take guff. They want a kid who sees a grade of "B" on a test paper as an initial negotiating point.

How is this sad?

Without risk-takers we wouldn't have Apple,Facebook etc

True, but for every risk taker who makes it big, there are quite a few who don't. These wealthy families may have a kid who makes a killing in corporate raiding, but they may also have one that ends up in jail. The Huguelys and the Skakels learned that the hard way. Many more kids from that sort of background end up in rehab.

I know the Hugueleys. They were friends of mine. The Hugueleys are no Skakels!

Anonymous wrote: One percenters who operate in the corporate world have a different viewpoint. They want kids who are risk takers and who won't take guff. They want a kid who sees a grade of "B" on a test paper as an initial negotiating point.

How is this sad?

Without risk-takers we wouldn't have Apple,Facebook etc

True, but for every risk taker who makes it big, there are quite a few who don't. These wealthy families may have a kid who makes a killing in corporate raiding, but they may also have one that ends up in jail. The Huguelys and the Skakels learned that the hard way. Many more kids from that sort of background end up in rehab.

Anonymous wrote: One percenters who operate in the corporate world have a different viewpoint. They want kids who are risk takers and who won't take guff. They want a kid who sees a grade of "B" on a test paper as an initial negotiating point.

How is this sad?

Without risk-takers we wouldn't have Apple,Facebook etc

I am a "one percenter who operates in the corporate world," and you sound like someone who never got over reading Ayn Rand in high school. (To paraphrase Chris Knight, "Take guff? Who talks like that?")

A B on a test wasn't a negotiating point when I was in school and it won't be for my kids (right now potty training is in the "Needs Improvement" category, so we're not at the letter grades, yet). It's a sign that you could have and should have prepared better. You don't go to the teacher angling to make yourself so annoying that you get yourself a better but underserved grade, you go to find out what you should've done differently so you deserve the better grade.

Anonymous wrote:What I can't believe is that people here already started to judge children.Do you remember yourselves?Jesus Christ!

I hope this is wicked DCUM satire, because it's genuinely funny!

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I've never even heard of this place, so it wouldn't matter to me who was too "important" to mess with.

Oh, wow, you're so cool and above it all!

No, but societal rank such as this just doesn't affect me.

I agree. The only time it's in my face is DCUM. Otherwise, that world does not exist and it doesn't sound like I'm missing much.

+2. Never heard of the place and agree that it does not sound like I'm missing anything.

OMG, you people who are too good for this thread yet can't stay away from this thread crack me up. What a riot!

One percenters who operate in the corporate world have a different viewpoint. They want kids who are risk takers and who won't take guff. They want a kid who sees a grade of "B" on a test paper as an initial negotiating point.

And after said brat has been "counseled out" of every high profile internship and entry level analyst position (attained via family connections) because no one ever taught them to treat people well, he or she will be back working in the family business---which will promptly be run into the ground. There is a reason for the axiom "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations". Truly smart corporate types know that building and keeping strong relationships with clients, investors, customers, and lenders is the key to continued success and raising children who can interact appropriately is the first step in teaching those skills.