Anonymous wrote:You know perfectly well that Islam has heaven and hell and that "saved" in common usage in English means not going to hell. In your words, "English 101."

Your exact quote was "This discussion has always been about "what Muslims believe."" Now you say "Threads drift. Deal."

When I said: "[You] heavily imply that Islam requires taking the entire package to every literal word of Sunnah and hadith, as well as the Quran" the emphasis was clearly on "to every literal word of Sunnah and hadith..." you purposely misconstrue to imply I am saying Sunnah and hadith have no role in Islam.

Really hard to reconcile your overall vindictive tone (Little Miss Rush to Judgment--really?) to this statement: "And I wish her the best and hope she reappears, despite being chased away by bullies who called her a hypocrite for calling Catholicism beautiful," which was a nice thought.

I know it's hard. But you must try. Imagination and common sense are like muscles. The more you work them, the stronger they become.

You know perfectly well that Islam has heaven and hell and that "saved" in common usage in English means not going to hell. In your words, "English 101."

Your exact quote was "This discussion has always been about "what Muslims believe."" Now you say "Threads drift. Deal."

When I said: "[You] heavily imply that Islam requires taking the entire package to every literal word of Sunnah and hadith, as well as the Quran" the emphasis was clearly on "to every literal word of Sunnah and hadith..." you purposely misconstrue to imply I am saying Sunnah and hadith have no role in Islam.

Really hard to reconcile your overall vindictive tone (Little Miss Rush to Judgment--really?) to this statement: "And I wish her the best and hope she reappears, despite being chased away by bullies who called her a hypocrite for calling Catholicism beautiful," which was a nice thought.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this was an AMA from a Muslim woman married to a Christian man. She ventured to say that she found her husband's way of understanding God beautiful and suddenly she was barraged with charge of hypocrisy because clearly she could not be truly Muslim and find any element of her husband's faith beautiful.

Yes, she was, and that's a very sad thing. Perhaps you can direct your rage against people who called her a hypocrite for complimenting Christianity? Or against an idiot who wanted me to confirm that I see all hadiths as acceptable and called me a hypocrite when I didn't? You seem to be good at the rage thing.

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This was not a thread about what Muslims believe.

Threads drift. Deal.

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But you and others (?, maybe they were all you) made it about that and then proceeded to insult other posters for consulting Sheiikh Google and pronouncing to them that to be Muslim the Quran is simply not enough; one has to believe and follow Sunnah, as well as all the 10,000 or so hadiths. You provided absolutely no documentation, unlike what you have just claimed.

If someone posts a clearly ignorant thing, I feel free to insult them. That the Quran does not form the totality of Muslim theological sources is an actual fact.

Anonymous wrote: You could provide a source for the whole all babies are born Muslim thing came from the Hadith. A clearly non-Muslim poster had to point out that this was not from the Quran (which I am sure you hoped people would just accept) but from a hadith that many many Muslims consider suspect.

I never claimed it was from the Quran. Who cares what you're sure of? You have no idea no many Muslims consider it suspect. That Muslim converts are called reverts is an incontrovertible fact.

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People who hang around the religion threads know Islam pretty well and they know there are plenty of Muslims in good standing who follow only the Quran. Some of them post here regularly. (Yes, and there are Sunnis among them.) There have been massive disputes over verses in the Quran. You denigrate these people as "Quranists" and heavily imply that Islam requires taking the entire package to every literal word of Sunnah and hadith, as well as the Quran.

How do you know it was me who denigrates them as Quranists?

That hadith and Sunna are considered important and meaningful to Muslims is an actual fact. I didn't "heavily imply" it, I said it clearly.

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You are either an Islamic fanatic or an anti-Muslim who wants to spread hate against Islam by making it out to be an intolerant and literal-minded religion where you can be saved only by following every petty dictate of a slew of questionable hadith.

And you are? A little Miss rush-to-judgment thinking she can divine the identity of anonymous posters. You have no idea who I am. If you want to begin your education in Islam 101, you may want to remember that there is no such thing as "saving" in Islam. Original sin and salvation are wholly Christian concepts.

Anonymous wrote:OP has demonstrated a spirituality that speaks for itself.

And I wish her the best and hope she reappears, despite being chased away by bullies who called her a hypocrite for calling Catholicism beautiful.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't help but think that OP was driven away by the bullies who think they know her religion better than she does.

Op here. Absolutely. This is why I didn't want to marry a "Muslim" man. Muslims today go and do things like ISIS and think being close minded and ignorant is the way of God. It's embarrassing and unrepresentative of what is really a beautiful, all encompassing and universal faith.

NP here, and a Muslim woman married to a Muslim man. I feel really sorry that men in your family and in the Muslim community you were brought up in go and do things like ISIS. But ya know majority of Muslim men are not like that.
If getting married to a non_Muslim man is what you always wanted to do and it makes you happy, then so be it. No one cares. You don't need to wrongfully paint the whole Muslim population with the ISIS brush, just to justify your action.

Actually, this was an AMA from a Muslim woman married to a Christian man. She ventured to say that she found her husband's way of understanding God beautiful and suddenly she was barraged with charge of hypocrisy because clearly she could not be truly Muslim and find any element of her husband's faith beautiful.

This was not a thread about what Muslims believe. But you and others (?, maybe they were all you) made it about that and then proceeded to insult other posters for consulting Sheiikh Google and pronouncing to them that to be Muslim the Quran is simply not enough; one has to believe and follow Sunnah, as well as all the 10,000 or so hadiths. You provided absolutely no documentation, unlike what you have just claimed. You could provide a source for the whole all babies are born Muslim thing came from the Hadith. A clearly non-Muslim poster had to point out that this was not from the Quran (which I am sure you hoped people would just accept) but from a hadith that many many Muslims consider suspect.

People who hang around the religion threads know Islam pretty well and they know there are plenty of Muslims in good standing who follow only the Quran. Some of them post here regularly. (Yes, and there are Sunnis among them.) There have been massive disputes over verses in the Quran. You denigrate these people as "Quranists" and heavily imply that Islam requires taking the entire package to every literal word of Sunnah and hadith, as well as the Quran.

You are either an Islamic fanatic or an anti-Muslim who wants to spread hate against Islam by making it out to be an intolerant and literal-minded religion where you can be saved only by following every petty dictate of a slew of questionable hadith.

OP has demonstrated a spirituality that speaks for itself.

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Answer #1. People interpret Islam and Catholicism differently. They aren't all copies of each other. If OP thinks her husband's way to understand god is beautiful, she is in a better position to understand the non-ambiguous tenets of her faith than you are.

Huh? That's a non-sequitur. She things a certain way that is contrary to a basic tenet of Islam, and therefore she's in a better position to understand Islam than I am? How the heck did you come up with that logic.

The OP can address the substantive issue that makes her position hypocritical, but thus far she either is unwilling or unable to do so.

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Answer 2. I wouldn't know. Find a Muslim and ask them. Why are you asking ME?

You inserted yourself in this conversation. I assume this means you were open to being engaged in a discussion, which includes exchanges and possibly questions and answers. If you don't want to be engaged in a discussion, don't post anything. Simple enough?

Who died and made you in charge of how threads ought to be run? Do you have kids? Go tell THEM what to do.

This discussion has always been about "what Muslims believe." I think I provided a well-substantiated, thoroughly documented response as to the question at hand. You responded by asking me whether I personally find their beliefs acceptable, which is completely beside the point, and then called me hypocritical when I told you as much - a completely illogical move.

As to the OP being unable and unwilling to participate, I can't fathom her reasons but I think the invasion of this thread by bullies like you had a lot to do with it.

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Answer #1. People interpret Islam and Catholicism differently. They aren't all copies of each other. If OP thinks her husband's way to understand god is beautiful, she is in a better position to understand the non-ambiguous tenets of her faith than you are.

Huh? That's a non-sequitur. She things a certain way that is contrary to a basic tenet of Islam, and therefore she's in a better position to understand Islam than I am? How the heck did you come up with that logic.

The OP can address the substantive issue that makes her position hypocritical, but thus far she either is unwilling or unable to do so.

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Answer 2. I wouldn't know. Find a Muslim and ask them. Why are you asking ME?

You inserted yourself in this conversation. I assume this means you were open to being engaged in a discussion, which includes exchanges and possibly questions and answers. If you don't want to be engaged in a discussion, don't post anything. Simple enough?

Is it a basic tenet of Islam that all other religions have an ugly way of understanding God?

I really, really don't think so.

Thank God the vast majority of Muslims in the world do not follow your thought process. It is so unfortunate that so many who do are now wreaking havoc in Syria and Iraq.