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Anonymous wrote:Just FYI for those saying "why not just buy in Glover Park" - you haven't bought recently. There are no 3 bedroom condos in Glover Park (or really, EOTP period that doesn't need extensive renovation costing 100k +) that are under 750K, except for a handful that have HOA fees of over $800/month. There are plenty of renovated condos, and a number of rowhomes that don't need more than 30-40K of renovation, in Petworth for under 750K.

You can't buy a split/converted to condo bay-front rowhouse in Bloomingdale for less than $575K, and that's for the lower half. The top two floors will easily be $800K.

Nobody buys boutique housing at these prices and expects to also raise children in that space.

WotP might as well be the suburbs. It's boring. It's over. It's too far from downtown. It's Rockthesda. Why pay to live in DC if you can't actually get there without a car?

Yeah, whatever. I live WOTP and have a 7 minute walk to the red line and 4 stops to downtown. It takes my friends in Petworth/16th Street twice as long to get to work as I do. We can get anywhere without a car. We live within easy walking distance of 2 grocery stores, 2 farmers markets, my bank, a library, a movie theater, a toy store, my dentist, my kids' dentist, my kids' pediatrician, playgrounds, the zoo, Rock Creek Park, and of course, all three of my kids' current and future schools.

What are we missing? Cool restaurants and hipsters. We can live with that. It's a 15-minute Uber ride on the weekends to Coolsville.

You can choose not to live WOTP, but to say it's not convenient/walkable is ridiculous. And no, I don't live in a million dollar house. Many of my friends EOTP paid more for their house than we did.

You make a great point- only issue is- if you want to buy ANYTHING WOTP the park today you have very little choice. Places just don't come up for sale very often- maybe because people like it so much and don't want to leave.

EOTP is the ONLY option for less than $800K- SERIOUSLY!

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Anonymous wrote:Tons at Hearst. As others have pointed out, you could also just buy IB for Hearst (or somewhere else) for the money you will likely spend for Petworth. But it is also completely understandable if you want to live in Petworth, and a little more uncertainty (or none if you just go IB!)about where your kids go to school.

Ugh - that drive across the park is brutal in rush hour. Do a lot of people really do it?

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Anonymous wrote:Just FYI for those saying "why not just buy in Glover Park" - you haven't bought recently. There are no 3 bedroom condos in Glover Park (or really, EOTP period that doesn't need extensive renovation costing 100k +) that are under 750K, except for a handful that have HOA fees of over $800/month. There are plenty of renovated condos, and a number of rowhomes that don't need more than 30-40K of renovation, in Petworth for under 750K.

You can't buy a split/converted to condo bay-front rowhouse in Bloomingdale for less than $575K, and that's for the lower half. The top two floors will easily be $800K.

Nobody buys boutique housing at these prices and expects to also raise children in that space.

WotP might as well be the suburbs. It's boring. It's over. It's too far from downtown. It's Rockthesda. Why pay to live in DC if you can't actually get there without a car?

Yeah, whatever. I live WOTP and have a 7 minute walk to the red line and 4 stops to downtown. It takes my friends in Petworth/16th Street twice as long to get to work as I do. We can get anywhere without a car. We live within easy walking distance of 2 grocery stores, 2 farmers markets, my bank, a library, a movie theater, a toy store, my dentist, my kids' dentist, my kids' pediatrician, playgrounds, the zoo, Rock Creek Park, and of course, all three of my kids' current and future schools.

What are we missing? Cool restaurants and hipsters. We can live with that. It's a 15-minute Uber ride on the weekends to Coolsville.

You can choose not to live WOTP, but to say it's not convenient/walkable is ridiculous. And no, I don't live in a million dollar house. Many of my friends EOTP paid more for their house than we did.

You can't live WotP in a house like a Shaw rowhouse without having spent well over a million (unless you live in a ratbox). The houses aren't that different, it's the access to schools. So let's not play pretend.

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Anonymous wrote:Just FYI for those saying "why not just buy in Glover Park" - you haven't bought recently. There are no 3 bedroom condos in Glover Park (or really, EOTP period that doesn't need extensive renovation costing 100k +) that are under 750K, except for a handful that have HOA fees of over $800/month. There are plenty of renovated condos, and a number of rowhomes that don't need more than 30-40K of renovation, in Petworth for under 750K.

You can't buy a split/converted to condo bay-front rowhouse in Bloomingdale for less than $575K, and that's for the lower half. The top two floors will easily be $800K.

Nobody buys boutique housing at these prices and expects to also raise children in that space.

WotP might as well be the suburbs. It's boring. It's over. It's too far from downtown. It's Rockthesda. Why pay to live in DC if you can't actually get there without a car?

Yeah, whatever. I live WOTP and have a 7 minute walk to the red line and 4 stops to downtown. It takes my friends in Petworth/16th Street twice as long to get to work as I do. We can get anywhere without a car. We live within easy walking distance of 2 grocery stores, 2 farmers markets, my bank, a library, a movie theater, a toy store, my dentist, my kids' dentist, my kids' pediatrician, playgrounds, the zoo, Rock Creek Park, and of course, all three of my kids' current and future schools.

What are we missing? Cool restaurants and hipsters. We can live with that. It's a 15-minute Uber ride on the weekends to Coolsville.

You can choose not to live WOTP, but to say it's not convenient/walkable is ridiculous. And no, I don't live in a million dollar house. Many of my friends EOTP paid more for their house than we did.

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Anonymous wrote:Just FYI for those saying "why not just buy in Glover Park" - you haven't bought recently. There are no 3 bedroom condos in Glover Park (or really, EOTP period that doesn't need extensive renovation costing 100k +) that are under 750K, except for a handful that have HOA fees of over $800/month. There are plenty of renovated condos, and a number of rowhomes that don't need more than 30-40K of renovation, in Petworth for under 750K.

You can't buy a split/converted to condo bay-front rowhouse in Bloomingdale for less than $575K, and that's for the lower half. The top two floors will easily be $800K.

Nobody buys boutique housing at these prices and expects to also raise children in that space.

WotP might as well be the suburbs. It's boring. It's over. It's too far from downtown. It's Rockthesda. Why pay to live in DC if you can't actually get there without a car?

Yeah, whatever. I live WOTP and have a 7 minute walk to the red line and 4 stops to downtown. It takes my friends in Petworth/16th Street twice as long to get to work as I do. We can get anywhere without a car. We live within easy walking distance of 2 grocery stores, 2 farmers markets, my bank, a library, a movie theater, a toy store, my dentist, my kids' dentist, my kids' pediatrician, playgrounds, the zoo, Rock Creek Park, and of course, all three of my kids' current and future schools.

What are we missing? Cool restaurants and hipsters. We can live with that. It's a 15-minute Uber ride on the weekends to Coolsville.

You can choose not to live WOTP, but to say it's not convenient/walkable is ridiculous. And no, I don't live in a million dollar house. Many of my friends EOTP paid more for their house than we did.

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Anonymous wrote:Just FYI for those saying "why not just buy in Glover Park" - you haven't bought recently. There are no 3 bedroom condos in Glover Park (or really, EOTP period that doesn't need extensive renovation costing 100k +) that are under 750K, except for a handful that have HOA fees of over $800/month. There are plenty of renovated condos, and a number of rowhomes that don't need more than 30-40K of renovation, in Petworth for under 750K.

You can't buy a split/converted to condo bay-front rowhouse in Bloomingdale for less than $575K, and that's for the lower half. The top two floors will easily be $800K.

Nobody buys boutique housing at these prices and expects to also raise children in that space.

WotP might as well be the suburbs. It's boring. It's over. It's too far from downtown. It's Rockthesda. Why pay to live in DC if you can't actually get there without a car?

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Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Barnard and it's our first choice in the PK3 lottery this year. We were impressed with what we saw when we toured and have heard good things about it from folks whose kids have attended. Middle school is still a concern for us, but we have 8 years before we have to worry about that.

What is the middle school for Barnard? I thought those were all education campuses?

Right now, the MS for Barnard is Raymond, which yes, is an education campus. Not optimal. But for any family entering a DCPS school as PS3 or PK now, I feel confident that there will most certainly be a stand alone by-right middle school waiting for those kids come 6th grade. Of course, I could be wrong. But I feel there is just too much momentum and too many organized voices from new Petworth families not to get what they want (see the thread on the Ward 4 saturday academy...those parents are demanding excellence).

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Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Barnard and it's our first choice in the PK3 lottery this year. We were impressed with what we saw when we toured and have heard good things about it from folks whose kids have attended. Middle school is still a concern for us, but we have 8 years before we have to worry about that.

Our child attended PS3 at Barnard last year and I could not has asked for a better first school experience for my child. He learned a ton and we adored his teacher and teaching assistant. We only left because he has an older bro who attends a school with a better track record and with acceptable MS and HS options. I am confident that you will be very happy at Barnard.

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Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Barnard and it's our first choice in the PK3 lottery this year. We were impressed with what we saw when we toured and have heard good things about it from folks whose kids have attended. Middle school is still a concern for us, but we have 8 years before we have to worry about that.

What is the middle school for Barnard? I thought those were all education campuses?

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Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Barnard and it's our first choice in the PK3 lottery this year. We were impressed with what we saw when we toured and have heard good things about it from folks whose kids have attended. Middle school is still a concern for us, but we have 8 years before we have to worry about that.

What is the middle school for Barnard? I thought those were all education campuses?

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Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Barnard and it's our first choice in the PK3 lottery this year. We were impressed with what we saw when we toured and have heard good things about it from folks whose kids have attended. Middle school is still a concern for us, but we have 8 years before we have to worry about that.

What is the middle school for Barnard? I thought those were all education campuses?

Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Barnard and it's our first choice in the PK3 lottery this year. We were impressed with what we saw when we toured and have heard good things about it from folks whose kids have attended. Middle school is still a concern for us, but we have 8 years before we have to worry about that.

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Anonymous wrote:Data here: http://edu.codefordc.org/#!/neighborhood/18

The elementaries with the most kids from the Brightwood/Petworth area are are Truesdell, Barnard, Powell, Brightwood, and West. One of the Amos campuses is close behind, with other charters following.

For kids living Columbia Heights/Park View, the top 5 elementaries are Tubman, Bancroft, Bruce Monroe, Raymond, and Meridian PCS.

Top 5 doenst mean anything. Tubman, raymond? no way. Bruce MOnroe through K, Bancroft through 3rd but no change of getting in OOB.

Anonymous wrote:So going back to OP. Let's look at what is happening in Petworth (and other parts of DC). Renovated homes are selling for $700-$1 million. Each year 50-75 (or more) of these homes sell within the city. Certain areas such as Petworth, Eckington, H Street, Brookland, Columbia Heights have lots of these flips.

So at some point these areas will become mostly populated with middle to upper middle class families. The income needed for $700K to $1 million is $150-$300K a year for a household.

So the original question was- what do these families do with their children?

In the past they may have started their kids in DCPS or Charters and then fled to suburbia. But now DC is more of an attractive place to be and people do not want the Suburban lifestyle as much.

What will it do to DCPS and Charters if they get alot more children from affluent homes? Or will all the affluent families send their kids to Charters or private schools and the DCPS schools be left behind.

My bet is the worst performing DCPS schools will never improve as anyone who can go somewhere else (Students, Parents and Teachers) will do so. So the worst will get worse and everyone else will move on. Sadly this will impact the poorest students the most.