Anonymous
01/13/2015 17:57
Subject: satire or hate speech?
The French government stops what's clearly hate speech. The French government doesn't stop satirical cartoons. But you're not going to get it.
Anonymous
01/13/2015 17:57
Subject: Re:satire or hate speech?
Jews of France: just leave the country already--it's an antisemitic cesspool due to old timey French antisemitism and the left wing antisemitism.
Muslima
01/13/2015 17:56
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Anonymous wrote:^^ Do you realize that you are implicitly saying that a repulsive anti-Semite like Dieudonne has the right to spew hate, but that the CH cartoonists should have censured themselves? Wow. Wow.
My position has been clear from the start. If you support CH, you should be out there with Dieudonne and walking with him for his right of freedom of speech, if not, then you're a hypocrite! Clear & simple
Anonymous
01/13/2015 17:55
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Turkey's second oldest newspaper will include extracts of CH in its Wednesday issue, in solidarity with CH. Good for them.
Muslima
01/13/2015 17:54
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:"Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"? "
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6462584
Yes. Your darling Dieudonne has already publicly said that "I am Charlie Coulibaly" and has compared the massacre in Paris to "a magic moment comparable to the Big Bang." He's doing fine and sends you hugs and kisses.
Right!!! That is why , after making that statement on Facebook btw, not at the unity march, he has been placed under investigation by the French government for inciting terrorism. Boom!!!! You need to be more up to date with current events. ......Fun fact, Dieudonne was also fined previously, by said government for saying that the Jews are the biggest crooks in the world $$
You mean he "published" something and didn't get hurt??? Fancy that...
He's also been under investigation for a while for tax fraud and misuse of corporate assets.
Just curious, why did you add the $$ sign after your paraphrase?
You are a hypocrite if you have been defending the absolutism of Free speech laws in France while applauding when Dieudonne's speech has been limited over the past year. He is a satirical comedian like CH, who was very popular and made fun of everyone till he made fun of the Jews and was deemed anti-Semitic. He said "the biggest crooks in the world are the Jews" and got Fined. He has had multitude of shows canceled by the French government and more than 80 judicial cases with them, so yeh his right to freedom of speech is actually being threatened by the government. So , You Defender of Speech, should be right there with him marching along him and saying #JesuisDieudonne
People sued Charlie Hebdo too. No one shot Dieudonne. Hypocrite.
The French government Stopped Dieudonne, they didn't stop CH, if you don't get that, I can't help you.
Anonymous
01/13/2015 17:53
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Anonymous wrote:^^ Do you realize that you are implicitly saying that a repulsive anti-Semite like Dieudonne has the right to spew hate, but that the CH cartoonists should have censured themselves? Wow. Wow.
"she" is a terrorist apologist. "She" has no credibility.
Anonymous
01/13/2015 17:52
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:"Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"? "
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6462584
Yes. Your darling Dieudonne has already publicly said that "I am Charlie Coulibaly" and has compared the massacre in Paris to "a magic moment comparable to the Big Bang." He's doing fine and sends you hugs and kisses.
Right!!! That is why , after making that statement on Facebook btw, not at the unity march, he has been placed under investigation by the French government for inciting terrorism. Boom!!!! You need to be more up to date with current events. ......Fun fact, Dieudonne was also fined previously, by said government for saying that the Jews are the biggest crooks in the world $$
You mean he "published" something and didn't get hurt??? Fancy that...
He's also been under investigation for a while for tax fraud and misuse of corporate assets.
Just curious, why did you add the $$ sign after your paraphrase?
You are a hypocrite if you have been defending the absolutism of Free speech laws in France while applauding when Dieudonne's speech has been limited over the past year. He is a satirical comedian like CH, who was very popular and made fun of everyone till he made fun of the Jews and was deemed anti-Semitic. He said "the biggest crooks in the world are the Jews" and got Fined. He has had multitude of shows canceled by the French government and more than 80 judicial cases with them, so yeh his right to freedom of speech is actually being threatened by the government. So , You Defender of Speech, should be right there with him marching along him and saying #JesuisDieudonne
People sued Charlie Hebdo too. No one shot Dieudonne. Hypocrite.
Anonymous
01/13/2015 17:49
Subject: satire or hate speech?
^^ Do you realize that you are implicitly saying that a repulsive anti-Semite like Dieudonne has the right to spew hate, but that the CH cartoonists should have censured themselves? Wow. Wow.
Muslima
01/13/2015 17:23
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:"Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"? "
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6462584
Yes. Your darling Dieudonne has already publicly said that "I am Charlie Coulibaly" and has compared the massacre in Paris to "a magic moment comparable to the Big Bang." He's doing fine and sends you hugs and kisses.
Right!!! That is why , after making that statement on Facebook btw, not at the unity march, he has been placed under investigation by the French government for inciting terrorism. Boom!!!! You need to be more up to date with current events. ......Fun fact, Dieudonne was also fined previously, by said government for saying that the Jews are the biggest crooks in the world $$
You mean he "published" something and didn't get hurt??? Fancy that...
He's also been under investigation for a while for tax fraud and misuse of corporate assets.
Just curious, why did you add the $$ sign after your paraphrase?
You are a hypocrite if you have been defending the absolutism of Free speech laws in France while applauding when Dieudonne's speech has been limited over the past year. He is a satirical comedian like CH, who was very popular and made fun of everyone till he made fun of the Jews and was deemed anti-Semitic. He said "the biggest crooks in the world are the Jews" and got Fined. He has had multitude of shows canceled by the French government and more than 80 judicial cases with them, so yeh his right to freedom of speech is actually being threatened by the government. So , You Defender of Speech, should be right there with him marching along him and saying #JesuisDieudonne
Anonymous
01/13/2015 16:15
Subject: satire or hate speech?
The real hate speech satire is the racist French comedian Dieudonne who has been spewing hate and Holocaust denial for years. Many young French moslems embrace his "quenelle" heil hitler style greeting....All you people concerned about "hate speech" where were you all the years he spewed this hate which led to the murders in Paris last week?
Anonymous
01/13/2015 14:25
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:"Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"? "
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6462584
Yes. Your darling Dieudonne has already publicly said that "I am Charlie Coulibaly" and has compared the massacre in Paris to "a magic moment comparable to the Big Bang." He's doing fine and sends you hugs and kisses.
Right!!! That is why , after making that statement on Facebook btw, not at the unity march, he has been placed under investigation by the French government for inciting terrorism. Boom!!!! You need to be more up to date with current events. ......Fun fact, Dieudonne was also fined previously, by said government for saying that the Jews are the biggest crooks in the world $$
Because he's deliberately trying to incite terrorism. And yet, no one has shot him, have they? Hmmm....
Btw, I don't believe that you are who you say you are. And I think you're tacitly endorsing these killings.
Anonymous
01/13/2015 14:15
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Someone made a great comparison to the Broadway show Book of Mormon, which offended some LDS members. No one in Salt Lake or Provo was shooting anyone or setting off bombs. What do you think would happen if someone wrote a satirical show called the Koran? Would any theater stage it?
Anonymous
01/13/2015 14:07
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:"Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"? "
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6462584
Yes. Your darling Dieudonne has already publicly said that "I am Charlie Coulibaly" and has compared the massacre in Paris to "a magic moment comparable to the Big Bang." He's doing fine and sends you hugs and kisses.
Right!!! That is why , after making that statement on Facebook btw, not at the unity march, he has been placed under investigation by the French government for inciting terrorism. Boom!!!! You need to be more up to date with current events. ......Fun fact, Dieudonne was also fined previously, by said government for saying that the Jews are the biggest crooks in the world $$
You mean he "published" something and didn't get hurt??? Fancy that...
He's also been under investigation for a while for tax fraud and misuse of corporate assets.
Just curious, why did you add the $$ sign after your paraphrase?
Muslima
01/13/2015 13:43
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:"Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"? "
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6462584
Yes. Your darling Dieudonne has already publicly said that "I am Charlie Coulibaly" and has compared the massacre in Paris to "a magic moment comparable to the Big Bang." He's doing fine and sends you hugs and kisses.
Right!!! That is why , after making that statement on Facebook btw, not at the unity march, he has been placed under investigation by the French government for inciting terrorism. Boom!!!! You need to be more up to date with current events. ......Fun fact, Dieudonne was also fined previously, by said government for saying that the Jews are the biggest crooks in the world $$
Anonymous
01/13/2015 13:34
Subject: satire or hate speech?
Muslima wrote:"Consider also the "thought experiment" offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the "unity rally" in Paris on 11 January "wearing a badge that said 'Je suis Chérif'" - the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. "How would the crowd have reacted?... Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?" Do you disagree with Klug's conclusion that the man "would have been lucky to get away with his life"? "
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6462584
Yes. Your darling Dieudonne has already publicly said that "I am Charlie Coulibaly" and has compared the massacre in Paris to "a magic moment comparable to the Big Bang." He's doing fine and sends you hugs and kisses.