Anonymous wrote:We are told that we should never assume that AAs got where they are via affirmative action, but a lot of people have no problem assuminv that any given white person got where they are because of White Privilege.

"You didn't build that business. Someone else built that for you..."

I do not totally agree, but your point is a fair point. Your example is not an example of White privilege though.

When most people talk about White privilege, they are NOT always saying that Whites are not smart or that Whites don't work hard. What they are saying is that, for the most part and because of society's structure, Whites are in a better position to have their intelligence and hard work pay off. When people criticize Affirmative Action, it is a different tone. Of course, the common example that EVERYONE White who is critical of Affirmative Action uses is the AA or a Hispanic they know who is not effective at work. They don't mention the White co-workers that have the same competency issues - and we all know plenty of those too. And they ignore the minorities and women who are more than qualified but don't get the opportunity. Most of us know people like that also.

TBH, I think that empolyers have been lazy in implementing Affirmative Action policies and that is the problem to me.

Anonymous wrote:Washington and Lee University.

really hard to get in to. But one of my top choices for DC when the time comes.

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Anonymous wrote:My family worked in manual jobs after they came to this country, well after the Emancipation Proclamation. They didn't own slaves and didn't profit from slavery. Some of them felt discrimination in hiring as late as the 1950s (against Catholics in public employment). They don't have white guilt, nor do I. My advice to others is:

It's been 150 years since the abolition of slavery, and 50 years since the Civil Rights Act and other landmark legislation. In recent decades, we've had immigrants literally washing up on US shores with just the clothes on their backs and then buckling down and making something of their lives. They don't blame others for their many troubles. Study hard. Lose the attitude. Obey the laws. Patronize the businesses of those who risk all to invest in your community, don't burn them. Stop using "discrimination" as an excuse for everything wrong in your life. Focus on what you can contribute, not what is "owed" to you.

Yea, thanks for telling us what is wrong with AA's? How many do you actually know? Do you have an answer to the OP's question or are you just soapboxing?

You know it is a frightening thing that while more AA's are in college than anytime in this country's history, people still stick to this notion that AA's are just standng there with their hands out talking about White guilt. We ARE educating ourselves and that is why you get the whole Affirmative Action criticism. AA's don't go to college and we get posts like this "you are not doing anything to better yourselves." We go to college and it is "you don't derserve to be there, Affirmative Action got you in." Whites now play the victim role as much as any other minority. Maybe that means progress is bening made.

TBH, when I was in college the focus was not on White guilt, it was on White MALE guilt and most of the people at the rallies critcizing the White men were White women. But y'all go ahead and believe what you want.

Very well put. +1

Washington and Lee University.

@22:29 - there's 25 pages of posts on that topic. Let's not repeat on this thread. Go see Harvard/UNC thread.

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Anonymous wrote:You won't find it at the Ivies or the other top 10s. Something to think about.

Which is ironic given that most of the Ivies discriminate against Asians.

Enough about the Asian discrimination please. Ivies have become unbelievably hard to get into. Period. Welcome to Global Competition.

Let's be honest though. That has nothing to do with global competition. I don't believe in 100% all Asian Ivies but I think it's fair to say Ivies DO discriminate against Asians.

Harvard, a private institution, is not obliged to follow any formula in admissions. They don't have to take the top scoring students only. Further, even if Harvard did decide to admit only the ver top scores, they could fill several freshmen classes with perfect score kids, so it's not clear to me how discrimination is being practiced.

FTR, I also have no problem with colleges "discriminating" against students from certain high schools by limiting the number they take from each. Nor am I troubled by UVA's "discrimination" against kids from NoVA.

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Anonymous wrote:You won't find it at the Ivies or the other top 10s. Something to think about.

Which is ironic given that most of the Ivies discriminate against Asians.

Enough about the Asian discrimination please. Ivies have become unbelievably hard to get into. Period. Welcome to Global Competition.

Let's be honest though. That has nothing to do with global competition. I don't believe in 100% all Asian Ivies but I think it's fair to say Ivies DO discriminate against Asians.

Proof please?

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Some of you PP are nuts! I am NOT a conservative, nor am I looking for a conservative school. I'm from the NE, like I said, not Christian, so not sure why you think I'm in the
kkk.

Didn't post anything on the political forum. I just object to the tribal nature of current American politics.

The whole white guilt thing is ridiculous IMHO.

OP, I am with you ..... and I am a liberal. I do understand what you are getting at even though your construction is somewhat narrow.

My kids are done with college but if I were in your position, I'd be similarly concerned. My concerns however would be more focused on the willingness to be open to ideas that don't fit into mainstream liberal opinions. For example, as a liberal who feels the time for affirmative action has come and gone, I am immediately labeled as a closet conservative - never mind that most of my views on social and fiscal issues are fairly liberal and maybe ultra liberal in some instances. But it is this mindset that unless one is lockstep with the standard liberal viewpoint on issues one is no longer liberal.

I see this on the political forum as well. Criticism of Obama or the Democrats means one cannot be a liberal. In fairness, conservatives are prone to the same thing. It is an all or nothing attitude.

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You sound so incredibly shallow and uninformed, OP.
Ivies are exceedingly difficult to get into nowadays, and I guarantee that most of the current student and professorial crop have other fish to fry than agonize over the propriety of White ascendency. These are international campuses with tons of perspective. White Guilt is an American thing.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Some of you PP are nuts! I am NOT a conservative, nor am I looking for a conservative school. I'm from the NE, like I said, not Christian, so not sure why you think I'm in the
kkk.

Didn't post anything on the political forum. I just object to the tribal nature of current American politics.

The whole white guilt thing is ridiculous IMHO.

You think you're slick but far from it.

In all honesty, I do NOT know what the hell you mean. Are you trying to say I am "faking" this? Are opinions that don't fit into your conservative/liberal dichotomy so unsettling to you that they can only be fake?

You are a fraud, and you are fully aware of what your intention was starting this thread.

Shovel it elsewhere.

Wow! Aggressive much? How am i a "fraud?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Some of you PP are nuts! I am NOT a conservative, nor am I looking for a conservative school. I'm from the NE, like I said, not Christian, so not sure why you think I'm in the
kkk.

Didn't post anything on the political forum. I just object to the tribal nature of current American politics.

The whole white guilt thing is ridiculous IMHO.

You think you're slick but far from it.

In all honesty, I do NOT know what the hell you mean. Are you trying to say I am "faking" this? Are opinions that don't fit into your conservative/liberal dichotomy so unsettling to you that they can only be fake?

You are a fraud, and you are fully aware of what your intention was starting this thread.

Shovel it elsewhere.

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You sound so incredibly shallow and uninformed, OP.
Ivies are exceedingly difficult to get into nowadays, and I guarantee that most of the current student and professorial crop have other fish to fry than agonize over the propriety of White ascendency. These are international campuses with tons of perspective. White Guilt is an American thing.

I assure you I am certainly not. As for uninformed, it depends on the subject.

As for your intentional schools, that was actually a good suggestion. Thanks!

If you really don't think most prestigious schools have been immersed in white privilege rhetoric, I'm afraid it is you who is uninformed.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Some of you PP are nuts! I am NOT a conservative, nor am I looking for a conservative school. I'm from the NE, like I said, not Christian, so not sure why you think I'm in the
kkk.

Didn't post anything on the political forum. I just object to the tribal nature of current American politics.

The whole white guilt thing is ridiculous IMHO.

You think you're slick but far from it.

In all honesty, I do NOT know what the hell you mean. Are you trying to say I am "faking" this? Are opinions that don't fit into your conservative/liberal dichotomy so unsettling to you that they can only be fake?

You sound so incredibly shallow and uninformed, OP.
Ivies are exceedingly difficult to get into nowadays, and I guarantee that most of the current student and professorial crop have other fish to fry than agonize over the propriety of White ascendency. These are international campuses with tons of perspective. White Guilt is an American thing.

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Some of you PP are nuts! I am NOT a conservative, nor am I looking for a conservative school. I'm from the NE, like I said, not Christian, so not sure why you think I'm in the
kkk.

Didn't post anything on the political forum. I just object to the tribal nature of current American politics.

The whole white guilt thing is ridiculous IMHO.

You think you're slick but far from it.