jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everything points to the need to not allow flights from Liberia: the nurse catching Ebola even with full gear, the reliance on people being honest as to whether they have symptoms, and how much more easily it seems to spread then the CDC has said.

What evidence do you have for the bolded?

Level 4?

Anonymous wrote:Everything points to the need to not allow flights from Liberia: the nurse catching Ebola even with full gear, the reliance on people being honest as to whether they have symptoms, and how much more easily it seems to spread then the CDC has said.

I think this comes down to whether or not you're okay with saving a few American lives at the risk of letting thousands of Africans die. Honestly, as an anxious person I can see closing flights, (though i understand the logistics of this) but really there's a bunch of stuff you have wrong. It seems like the nurse was maybe not in the best / most appropriate gear and her hospital was not imposing proper training / protocol / etc. And I don't think it's spreading that "easily." Still, it's obviously spreading and it's deadly when it does.

I'm not positive that, even absent the logistical nightmare, it's appropriate to close these communities off from "us." They'd still get in through other countries, anyway, right? There is talk of suspending visas - that might be more effective, but I'm not sure it's warranted at this point. I mean, maybe, but I don't know. As for the doctors and nurses over there treating people, I think they should enjoy the ability to travel back and forth - but maybe greater assurances that they're following proper protocol.

Anonymous wrote:Everything points to the need to not allow flights from Liberia: the nurse catching Ebola even with full gear, the reliance on people being honest as to whether they have symptoms, and how much more easily it seems to spread then the CDC has said.

What evidence do you have for the bolded?

Everything points to the need to not allow flights from Liberia: the nurse catching Ebola even with full gear, the reliance on people being honest as to whether they have symptoms, and how much more easily it seems to spread then the CDC has said.

The thing is, I don't think this is necessarily some CDC / govt. conspiracy, but let's face it. The hospitals in this nation cannot get MRSA under control.

We think they're going to handle Ebola properly?

Anytime there are human factors involved, mistakes are possible. That's a fact of life.

Not enough seems to be done here to prevent the mistakes from being many.

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He lied. He knew he was exposed and he thought he would be saved coming to the U.S. Liberians, Nigerians they have no regard for others ( they facilitate most of the Internet scams and theft of seniors).

I don't think the hospital was really prepared for such a horrible disease. The nurse mostly likely did all she was taught as she was still young. I will say though, older nurses get lax. No all, but some don't respect the newer safety protocols.

There is just no credible evidence that this is true. You can post as many times as you want, but it's still nothing more than speculation.

And you can post that he DIDN'T know just as often, but it doesn't make it true. All information leads to the fact he knew.

Ah, I see you're finally getting the point. It's ALL speculation. NO ONE knows. Not you, not me. So quit pretending otherwise and attacking a guy who isn't around anymore to defend himself.

Should have said I was a NP that posted that. I've never attacked him. However, I know people make bad decisions, and yes, all information points to the fact he knew he was exposed. Human nature suggests he was hopeful he wouldn't get it.

Actually, it doesn't. I used to think that too until I really started researching the issue. Now I'm pretty convinced he didn't know. But, as stared earlier, it's still all speculation. Only Duncan knows the truth.

I feel sorry for the nurse, she is only 26, with her whole life ahead of her. I don't see why they had 50 caregivers helping Duncan. It seems like a very high number.

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He lied. He knew he was exposed and he thought he would be saved coming to the U.S. Liberians, Nigerians they have no regard for others ( they facilitate most of the Internet scams and theft of seniors).

I don't think the hospital was really prepared for such a horrible disease. The nurse mostly likely did all she was taught as she was still young. I will say though, older nurses get lax. No all, but some don't respect the newer safety protocols.

There is just no credible evidence that this is true. You can post as many times as you want, but it's still nothing more than speculation.

And you can post that he DIDN'T know just as often, but it doesn't make it true. All information leads to the fact he knew.

Ah, I see you're finally getting the point. It's ALL speculation. NO ONE knows. Not you, not me. So quit pretending otherwise and attacking a guy who isn't around anymore to defend himself.

Should have said I was a NP that posted that. I've never attacked him. However, I know people make bad decisions, and yes, all information points to the fact he knew he was exposed. Human nature suggests he was hopeful he wouldn't get it.

Anonymous wrote:http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_HOSPITAL_STAFF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-13-18-45-19

DALLAS (AP) -- They drew his blood, put tubes down his throat and wiped up his diarrhea. They analyzed his urine and wiped saliva from his lips, even after he had lost consciousness.

About 70 staff members at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital were involved in the care of Thomas Eric Duncan after he was hospitalized, including a nurse now being treated for the same Ebola virus that killed the Liberian man who was visiting Dallas, according to medical records his family provided to The Associated Press.

Why on earth would they need 70 staffers taking care of him? It seems like the sensible thing to do would be to have a pretty limited number of people with any type of contact with the patient?!

That is exactly the issue. Why would you need all those people to take care of him and not a centralized team. I understand there are shifts but then you have 2 shifts on the team and thats it. And then why arent the docs and nurses quarantined after this as well? One would think it makes sense to atleast monitor them after the care provided but nope...they leave and go home. Seriously WTF are we living in a dream right now? I truly do not understand whats going on!?!?!?!

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Anonymous wrote:
He lied. He knew he was exposed and he thought he would be saved coming to the U.S. Liberians, Nigerians they have no regard for others ( they facilitate most of the Internet scams and theft of seniors).

I don't think the hospital was really prepared for such a horrible disease. The nurse mostly likely did all she was taught as she was still young. I will say though, older nurses get lax. No all, but some don't respect the newer safety protocols.

There is just no credible evidence that this is true. You can post as many times as you want, but it's still nothing more than speculation.

And you can post that he DIDN'T know just as often, but it doesn't make it true. All information leads to the fact he knew.

Ah, I see you're finally getting the point. It's ALL speculation. NO ONE knows. Not you, not me. So quit pretending otherwise and attacking a guy who isn't around anymore to defend himself.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He lied. He knew he was exposed and he thought he would be saved coming to the U.S. Liberians, Nigerians they have no regard for others ( they facilitate most of the Internet scams and theft of seniors).

I don't think the hospital was really prepared for such a horrible disease. The nurse mostly likely did all she was taught as she was still young. I will say though, older nurses get lax. No all, but some don't respect the newer safety protocols.

There is just no credible evidence that this is true. You can post as many times as you want, but it's still nothing more than speculation.

And you can post that he DIDN'T know just as often, but it doesn't make it true. All information leads to the fact he knew.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He lied. He knew he was exposed and he thought he would be saved coming to the U.S. Liberians, Nigerians they have no regard for others ( they facilitate most of the Internet scams and theft of seniors).

I don't think the hospital was really prepared for such a horrible disease. The nurse mostly likely did all she was taught as she was still young. I will say though, older nurses get lax. No all, but some don't respect the newer safety protocols.

There is just no credible evidence that this is true. You can post as many times as you want, but it's still nothing more than speculation.

If you were in Liberia and handled some one vomiting, bleeding from orifices, diarrhea what would you think? A case of stomach virus? A miscarriage only?

Draw your own conclusions. Seems to me like it's far from clear cut:

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-ebola-liberia-20141003-story.html

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Anonymous wrote:
He lied. He knew he was exposed and he thought he would be saved coming to the U.S. Liberians, Nigerians they have no regard for others ( they facilitate most of the Internet scams and theft of seniors).

I don't think the hospital was really prepared for such a horrible disease. The nurse mostly likely did all she was taught as she was still young. I will say though, older nurses get lax. No all, but some don't respect the newer safety protocols.

There is just no credible evidence that this is true. You can post as many times as you want, but it's still nothing more than speculation.

If you were in Liberia and handled some one vomiting, bleeding from orifices, diarrhea what would you think? A case of stomach virus? A miscarriage only?

Anonymous wrote:
He lied. He knew he was exposed and he thought he would be saved coming to the U.S. Liberians, Nigerians they have no regard for others ( they facilitate most of the Internet scams and theft of seniors).

I don't think the hospital was really prepared for such a horrible disease. The nurse mostly likely did all she was taught as she was still young. I will say though, older nurses get lax. No all, but some don't respect the newer safety protocols.

There is just no credible evidence that this is true. You can post as many times as you want, but it's still nothing more than speculation.

He lied. He knew he was exposed and he thought he would be saved coming to the U.S. Liberians, Nigerians they have no regard for others ( they facilitate most of the Internet scams and theft of seniors).

I don't think the hospital was really prepared for such a horrible disease. The nurse mostly likely did all she was taught as she was still young. I will say though, older nurses get lax. No all, but some don't respect the newer safety protocols.