I call BS on Wharton wins any cross-admit battles with HYPS. Cite a source.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a middle ivy, similar standing to Columbia. Worse than HYP, better than Dartmouth,Brown,Cornell.

However if you get into the Wharton School at Penn it might make sense to turn down HYP if you are 100% interested in studying business. A decent number of kids do that, particularly YP cross admits.

This is totally fabricated. Status obsessed Wharton kids aren't turning down Y and P. And two, there's no data that breaks down YP vs Wharton cross admits.

I didn't make this post, but I am a Penn parent so I can chime in on that. It is true that a lot of of the Wharton admits are status -obsessed and thus are lured to HYPS due to the greater lay prestige. However, there is a decent number of Wharton and even more so Penn dual degree kids who turn down HYPS for Penn. These are the kids with either a very specific and intense interest in business or those who know what a unique opportunity the Penn dual degree programs are. My DC graduated from a dual degree at Penn not long ago and roughly half of all the kids in his program and the other 4-5 similar programs at Penn had at least one HYPS choice they turned down. He also knew some Wharton kids who had turned down YP but those were few. Outside of Wharton or dual degrees, it was exceedingly rare that any Penn students had turned down HYPS.

Anonymous wrote:Just a word to pp who say kids will or won’t be allowed to go to Penn under different circumstances: the chances that your child will be able to make such a choice is remote. All the”lesser” ivies are difficult to get in. You’ll be lucky if your child gets in to Penn. even if they are a legacy

Yep. Love the kids and parents who dream of turning down Penn as a lesser or safety ivy. Don't worry about it - 90%+ of you will never have the chance to turn Penn down bc it'll turn you down first.

Just a word to pp who say kids will or won’t be allowed to go to Penn under different circumstances: the chances that your child will be able to make such a choice is remote. All the”lesser” ivies are difficult to get in. You’ll be lucky if your child gets in to Penn. even if they are a legacy

Anonymous wrote:It is a middle ivy, similar standing to Columbia. Worse than HYP, better than Dartmouth,Brown,Cornell.

However if you get into the Wharton School at Penn it might make sense to turn down HYP if you are 100% interested in studying business. A decent number of kids do that, particularly YP cross admits.

This is totally fabricated. Status obsessed Wharton kids aren't turning down Y and P. And two, there's no data that breaks down YP vs Wharton cross admits.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a middle ivy, similar standing to Columbia. Worse than HYP, better than Dartmouth,Brown,Cornell.

However if you get into the Wharton School at Penn it might make sense to turn down HYP if you are 100% interested in studying business. A decent number of kids do that, particularly YP cross admits.

I don't believe in the notion of middling or bottom Ivies. HYP are in a league of their own but the rest are more similar than dissimilar. The difference between Penn and Brown and Dartmouth is that it's a resolutely urban based campus and much bigger with multiple schools. It's not a "better" school with "smarter" students.

I've met many people over the years who went to the Ivies and watched kids go off to the Ivies. HYP people are a cut above, the rest including to Duke et al are no different from each other.

Penn and Columbia have stronger departments and reps overall, that si why at least in my experience they attract slightly more talented and stronger kids than the other three, but the difference is not as big. i would agree though that the major gap is after HYP, not between Columbia/Penn and Dartmouth/Brown/Cornell. But just by looking at endowments, RD yields, cross-admits and overall performance in rankings there seems to a small gap there too.

Anonymous wrote:I attended Penn. So did one of my younger siblings and my DH.

I personally loved it. I chose it over a few other ivies because I valued the urban location. Everything there is top notch. I was a liberal arts major and I never felt that the Wharton kids had too much influence and generally did not care about them.

My sibling was actually in Wharton. If your child is left leaning or interested in any progressive issues, they will not like it. My sibling described other Wharton students as "the type of people that would punch their own grandmother for an extra dollar." However, the post-graduation job opportunities from Wharton are pretty great.

My DH eventually liked it but is from out west and was a little turned off by Penn's less laid back culture.

The one thing you should know that I didn't is that Greek life does more or less dominate social life there. I honestly was looking for someplace where it wasn't important and had I known that I probably would have gone somewhere like Brown instead.

Greek life does not dominate Penn. it is a substantial part but most people are not part of Greek life. Dominate is a strong word. I would describe it as just being prominent by ivy standards, but by no means dominant.

I attended Penn. So did one of my younger siblings and my DH.

I personally loved it. I chose it over a few other ivies because I valued the urban location. Everything there is top notch. I was a liberal arts major and I never felt that the Wharton kids had too much influence and generally did not care about them.

My sibling was actually in Wharton. If your child is left leaning or interested in any progressive issues, they will not like it. My sibling described other Wharton students as "the type of people that would punch their own grandmother for an extra dollar." However, the post-graduation job opportunities from Wharton are pretty great.

My DH eventually liked it but is from out west and was a little turned off by Penn's less laid back culture.

The one thing you should know that I didn't is that Greek life does more or less dominate social life there. I honestly was looking for someplace where it wasn't important and had I known that I probably would have gone somewhere like Brown instead.

Anonymous wrote:I have two Penn degrees. I still never get why people on DCUM like to post about their friend of friend's experiences or second cousin's or post some article without first hand info, when that was the question. It's a mid-size city school, with a competitive but very diverse student body. there is Wharton but there are lots of top ranked and very good academic departments and areas within the school. for every super spoiled rich kid, there are multiple others there on loans, grants and financial aid. I found it much easier than my competitive HS in the DMV. It's not a warm fuzzy place overall and not a lot of hand holding like at many schools these days. But it is a fun place too with lots of different options and things always going on. My friends from college have gone onto a wide range of jobs and locations. from the stereotypes of wall street and entrepreneurs to psychologists to policy analysts to teachers to yoga instructors.

I never get why people don't look at the date of the OP. Its THREE years old, people. THREE YEARS.

Anonymous wrote:It is a middle ivy, similar standing to Columbia. Worse than HYP, better than Dartmouth,Brown,Cornell.

However if you get into the Wharton School at Penn it might make sense to turn down HYP if you are 100% interested in studying business. A decent number of kids do that, particularly YP cross admits.

I don't believe in the notion of middling or bottom Ivies. HYP are in a league of their own but the rest are more similar than dissimilar. The difference between Penn and Brown and Dartmouth is that it's a resolutely urban based campus and much bigger with multiple schools. It's not a "better" school with "smarter" students.

I've met many people over the years who went to the Ivies and watched kids go off to the Ivies. HYP people are a cut above, the rest including to Duke et al are no different from each other.

It is a middle ivy, similar standing to Columbia. Worse than HYP, better than Dartmouth,Brown,Cornell.

However if you get into the Wharton School at Penn it might make sense to turn down HYP if you are 100% interested in studying business. A decent number of kids do that, particularly YP cross admits.

^^^I agree. prob the most diverse of all the ivies. Offers a lot of top resources and a great social life. It can get a bit competitive and stressful but Columbia and Cornell are even more competitive and stressful.

I have two Penn degrees. I still never get why people on DCUM like to post about their friend of friend's experiences or second cousin's or post some article without first hand info, when that was the question. It's a mid-size city school, with a competitive but very diverse student body. there is Wharton but there are lots of top ranked and very good academic departments and areas within the school. for every super spoiled rich kid, there are multiple others there on loans, grants and financial aid. I found it much easier than my competitive HS in the DMV. It's not a warm fuzzy place overall and not a lot of hand holding like at many schools these days. But it is a fun place too with lots of different options and things always going on. My friends from college have gone onto a wide range of jobs and locations. from the stereotypes of wall street and entrepreneurs to psychologists to policy analysts to teachers to yoga instructors.

I think it is a first choice school for many Jewish kids. So, if you are Jewish OP, your child would feel welcomed there at Penn

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Anonymous wrote:It's mostly for Jewish and Asian kids who can't get into HYP and have to pretend all they ever really wanted was to become a hedge fund analyst or a bond trader. There are some liberal arts kids who want to be in an urban environment, but they are on the fringes now. Wharton completely sets the tone.

Great thread. Thanks to all who contributed.