Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 11:06     Subject: Re:The Starving of Gaza
In sum, shlumey says we didn't do it. Hamas made us do it. We just got the weapons and pulled the trigger.

This is your spiritual leader?
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 11:01     Subject: The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Noami Wolf and Others Who Trivialize Genocide

By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Through the course of Israel’s third war in Gaza since it withdrew fully in 2005 I have had to publicly respond to a number of friends and acquaintances who either intentionally or unwittingly committed themselves to the ranks of Israel’s most rabid haters. This is especially true of those who joined the global blood libel chorus falsely and poisonously accusing Israel of genocide. I was fully aware that in doing so I risked losing those relationships. But I responded nonetheless. Not just to defend Israel and the Jewish people against the depraved charge of mass murder, but because I heard the cry of the those who perished in the seven real genocides in the 100 years since the First World War whose anniversary was commemorated this week.

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I guess in Shmuley's world only Jews can be victims of genocide. Did the tooth fairy massacre the Palestinian civilians, women and children?


Here is a link to his entire speech. He absolutely did not limit it to Jews. https://www.facebook.com/RabbiShmuleyBoteach/posts/10152316643076089


Yeah, so i read the speech. In essence the argument is that other people do horrible things. In comparison, we're not so horrible. We warn you before we bomb you and kill almost 2,000, mostly civilians, over 400 children and wound over 9,000. That really makes it ok. I loved this line:

"Only Israel does so, because it is a righteous and just democracy that believes that one holocaust was quite enough."

I suppose if you start from the premise that you are righteous and just in a democracy where you have second class citizens and occupied territories, everyone is always goint to be a hater.

Did you even read the speech with any modicum of critical thinking?




The essence is to throw around the word "genocide" trivializes the cultures and people have have actually suffered that type of horrific tragedy and while the deaths of Gazan civilians are tragic, "genocide" and "Nazi" are not even remotely in the right stratosphere for comparison.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 10:57     Subject: The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Noami Wolf and Others Who Trivialize Genocide

By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Through the course of Israel’s third war in Gaza since it withdrew fully in 2005 I have had to publicly respond to a number of friends and acquaintances who either intentionally or unwittingly committed themselves to the ranks of Israel’s most rabid haters. This is especially true of those who joined the global blood libel chorus falsely and poisonously accusing Israel of genocide. I was fully aware that in doing so I risked losing those relationships. But I responded nonetheless. Not just to defend Israel and the Jewish people against the depraved charge of mass murder, but because I heard the cry of the those who perished in the seven real genocides in the 100 years since the First World War whose anniversary was commemorated this week.

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I guess in Shmuley's world only Jews can be victims of genocide. Did the tooth fairy massacre the Palestinian civilians, women and children?


Here is a link to his entire speech. He absolutely did not limit it to Jews. https://www.facebook.com/RabbiShmuleyBoteach/posts/10152316643076089


Yeah, so i read the speech. In essence the argument is that other people do horrible things. In comparison, we're not so horrible. We warn you before we bomb you and kill almost 2,000, mostly civilians, over 400 children and wound over 9,000. That really makes it ok. I loved this line:

"Only Israel does so, because it is a righteous and just democracy that believes that one holocaust was quite enough."

I suppose if you start from the premise that you are righteous and just in a democracy where you have second class citizens and occupied territories, everyone is always goint to be a hater.

Did you even read the speech with any modicum of critical thinking?



Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 10:52     Subject: The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Noami Wolf and Others Who Trivialize Genocide

By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Through the course of Israel’s third war in Gaza since it withdrew fully in 2005 I have had to publicly respond to a number of friends and acquaintances who either intentionally or unwittingly committed themselves to the ranks of Israel’s most rabid haters. This is especially true of those who joined the global blood libel chorus falsely and poisonously accusing Israel of genocide. I was fully aware that in doing so I risked losing those relationships. But I responded nonetheless. Not just to defend Israel and the Jewish people against the depraved charge of mass murder, but because I heard the cry of the those who perished in the seven real genocides in the 100 years since the First World War whose anniversary was commemorated this week.

[ Edited to comply with copyright laws. ]


I guess in Shmuley's world only Jews can be victims of genocide. Did the tooth fairy massacre the Palestinian civilians, women and children?


Here is a link to his entire speech. He absolutely did not limit it to Jews. https://www.facebook.com/RabbiShmuleyBoteach/posts/10152316643076089

How convenient that the Israeli government should recognize the Armenian genocide just-in-time for Rabbi Boteach. What he forgot to mention that this recognition of the Armenian genocide by the Knesset had nothing to do with moral solidarity of two peoples with terrible memories. It had, though, everything to do with the 2008 crisis in the Israeli-Turkish relations that soured after the 2008 deadly raid on the Gaza-bound international flotilla. Until that time, Turkey could always count on the Israeli lobby groups in the U.S. to push Congress to block any attempts to recognize the Armenian genocide - which most of the civilized countries have already done.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/israel-s-recognition-of-armenian-genocide-is-political-1.365252#

"This is my duty as a Jew and as an Israeli" is cliche that is meant to revive anyone from their dogmatic coma. Each time this religious-nationalist conjunction is used, accompanied by a certain obligation, usually moral, the listener must assume that behind the pomposity and the drama hides some shame that is seeking to be retroactively erased.

So as not to remain in the theoretical sphere, let's examine the full statement made by Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin on Monday after he decided to hold an annual Knesset session to mark the Armenian genocide by the Turks. "It is my duty as a Jew and as an Israeli," he said, "to recognize the tragedies of other peoples. Diplomatic considerations, important as they may be, do not allow us to deny the disaster of another people."

Rivlin made the statement about a week after the Knesset allowed its Education Committee to discuss the issue for the first time publicly, and about a year after former Meretz chairman and MK Haim Oron was authorized to hold a secret meeting about it in the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. That, more or less, is how under the pretense "my duty as a Jew and an Israeli," 63 years of Jewish disregard for and denial of the slaughter of between 1 million to 1.5 million human beings just melts away. "
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 10:22     Subject: The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Noami Wolf and Others Who Trivialize Genocide

By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Through the course of Israel’s third war in Gaza since it withdrew fully in 2005 I have had to publicly respond to a number of friends and acquaintances who either intentionally or unwittingly committed themselves to the ranks of Israel’s most rabid haters. This is especially true of those who joined the global blood libel chorus falsely and poisonously accusing Israel of genocide. I was fully aware that in doing so I risked losing those relationships. But I responded nonetheless. Not just to defend Israel and the Jewish people against the depraved charge of mass murder, but because I heard the cry of the those who perished in the seven real genocides in the 100 years since the First World War whose anniversary was commemorated this week.

[ Edited to comply with copyright laws. ]


I guess in Shmuley's world only Jews can be victims of genocide. Did the tooth fairy massacre the Palestinian civilians, women and children?


Here is a link to his entire speech. He absolutely did not limit it to Jews. https://www.facebook.com/RabbiShmuleyBoteach/posts/10152316643076089
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 10:18     Subject: The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:Noami Wolf and Others Who Trivialize Genocide

By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Through the course of Israel’s third war in Gaza since it withdrew fully in 2005 I have had to publicly respond to a number of friends and acquaintances who either intentionally or unwittingly committed themselves to the ranks of Israel’s most rabid haters. This is especially true of those who joined the global blood libel chorus falsely and poisonously accusing Israel of genocide. I was fully aware that in doing so I risked losing those relationships. But I responded nonetheless. Not just to defend Israel and the Jewish people against the depraved charge of mass murder, but because I heard the cry of the those who perished in the seven real genocides in the 100 years since the First World War whose anniversary was commemorated this week.

[ Edited to comply with copyright laws. ]


I guess in Shmuley's world only Jews can be victims of genocide. Did the tooth fairy massacre the Palestinian civilians, women and children?
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 09:51     Subject: The Starving of Gaza
Noami Wolf and Others Who Trivialize Genocide

By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Through the course of Israel’s third war in Gaza since it withdrew fully in 2005 I have had to publicly respond to a number of friends and acquaintances who either intentionally or unwittingly committed themselves to the ranks of Israel’s most rabid haters. This is especially true of those who joined the global blood libel chorus falsely and poisonously accusing Israel of genocide. I was fully aware that in doing so I risked losing those relationships. But I responded nonetheless. Not just to defend Israel and the Jewish people against the depraved charge of mass murder, but because I heard the cry of the those who perished in the seven real genocides in the 100 years since the First World War whose anniversary was commemorated this week.

[ Edited to comply with copyright laws. ]
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 08:31     Subject: Re:The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Should I post photos of the decapitated Israeli 3 month old baby? His siblings and parents? How about the victims of suicide bombings? Or should we broaden out to some other terror groups and their victims, who also want to see All Jews killed? Maybe the British soldier hacked to death on the streets of London? I can go on and on. So many victims of Arab violence.


People who supported that violence and death will have to answer for their actions. Will you answer for the death and violence that you have supported?


There is no 'support' or 'not support'. There is only murder, or no murder. Your definition is different from mine. I am not the ultimate judge and jury, nor am I the cause.

Hamas's little book the IDF has seems to state Hamas deliberately uses their own civilians to 'set up' Israel. I do know that I'm not surprised. Logic told me this was the case.

Look at things rationally. It does help

Oh you mean the book made by the Israelis, the masters of propaganda?
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 07:00     Subject: Re:The Starving of Gaza
If you are a protester and support terrorism by Hamas or any other Islamic or Jewish terrorist organization committing mass murder, you are no longer a protester; you are an extremist.

If you support the murder of civilians, you are no better than a murderer.

Murdered Jews in the conflict deserve support too, but they have the support of the Israeli government, it's military resources and the financial backing of the US government. Murdered Palestinians now numbering in the thousands have the support of a worldwide community appalled by the policies of the Israeli government.

For most fair-minded people, it is not anti-semitism driving the denouncement of the policies of the Israeli government. It is the actions of that government that show no regard for the thousands of civilian casualties. Among fair-minded protesters, there are opportunistic extremists who will try to exploit a tragedy to advance its extremist goals on both sides of the conflict.
takoma
Post 08/05/2014 05:17     Subject: Re:The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:My bad. Someone will ask to remove this because it is solely a picture. I think Einstein was Jewish.

Not only was he Jewish, he was asked to be president of Israel, but he declined. Although Jewish, I don't think he practiced any religion.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 00:39     Subject: Re:The Starving of Gaza
My bad. Someone will ask to remove this because it is solely a picture. I think Einstein was Jewish.

Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 00:27     Subject: Re:The Starving of Gaza
And yes, if you support acts of terrorism, mass murder of civilians either by hamas, islamic extremists or jewish extremists you are culpable.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2014 00:11     Subject: The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Should I post photos of the decapitated Israeli 3 month old baby? His siblings and parents? How about the victims of suicide bombings? Or should we broaden out to some other terror groups and their victims, who also want to see All Jews killed? Maybe the British soldier hacked to death on the streets of London? I can go on and on. So many victims of Arab violence.


People who supported that violence and death will have to answer for their actions. Will you answer for the death and violence that you have supported?


There is no 'support' or 'not support'. There is only murder, or no murder. Your definition is different from mine. I am not the ultimate judge and jury, nor am I the cause.

Hamas's little book the IDF has seems to state Hamas deliberately uses their own civilians to 'set up' Israel. I do know that I'm not surprised. Logic told me this was the case.

Look at things rationally. It does help


I think i am looking at things rationally. Germans who supported the third reich weren't culpable for the holocaust?


Are protesters supporting Hamas culpable? Not if they didn't physically take part in some way. Misguided? In my opinion, yes


Protesters are not supporting hamas terrorists. They are supporting Palestinian civilians who are the victims of Jewish and Islamic extremists. Nice try slick.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2014 23:41     Subject: The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Should I post photos of the decapitated Israeli 3 month old baby? His siblings and parents? How about the victims of suicide bombings? Or should we broaden out to some other terror groups and their victims, who also want to see All Jews killed? Maybe the British soldier hacked to death on the streets of London? I can go on and on. So many victims of Arab violence.


People who supported that violence and death will have to answer for their actions. Will you answer for the death and violence that you have supported?


There is no 'support' or 'not support'. There is only murder, or no murder. Your definition is different from mine. I am not the ultimate judge and jury, nor am I the cause.

Hamas's little book the IDF has seems to state Hamas deliberately uses their own civilians to 'set up' Israel. I do know that I'm not surprised. Logic told me this was the case.

Look at things rationally. It does help


I think i am looking at things rationally. Germans who supported the third reich weren't culpable for the holocaust?


Are protesters supporting Hamas culpable? Not if they didn't physically take part in some way. Misguided? In my opinion, yes
jsteele
Post 08/04/2014 22:23     Subject: Re:The Starving of Gaza
Anonymous wrote:Last comment on this Jeff. The post you removed, if I recall correctly, was a link with no commentary, in violation of your stated terms. You removed it for that reason alone. Other posts which you did not agree with were removed because you did not like the point of view. I am just calling em as I see em.


You are both remembering and calling it wrong. The post that I removed was a picture without commentary. I removed that sort of thing if it is the first post of a thread, but generally allow it within a thread. But, based on your post, I removed. While doing that, I decided that I would remove the previous picture as well for reasons of decorum.

The posts I removed that you believe were removed due to their point of view were off-topic to this thread and, really, off-topic to the entire Gaza conflict. Yes, Palestinians have committed terrorism. The event that you showed was not done by Hamas, but by a faction of Fatah who dominates the PA -- Israel's peace partner. It is really not relevant to today's events unless you want to show that terrorists can turn into peace partners. Similarly, there are plenty of pictures of Zionist terrorists, two of who became Prime Ministers of Israel and one of who won the Nobel Prize for, guess what? Making peace.

Edit: one more point. In the Off-Topic forum there is a thread attacking me in which one of the claims is that I only remove the pro-Palestnian posts. I'm not a believer in the theory that if both sides hate you, you must be doing it right. I don't want either side to hate me. But, it's interesting how there are different perceptions.