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Anonymous wrote:A problem with all these standards is that it doesn't leave enough time for social emotional learning. Remember All I needed to Know I Learned in Kindergsrten? Or whatever that book was called?

Playing in the sandbox, role play, singing, art. That's what I want my Ker doing. But he has math and language arts every day...and homework. And he is only level B in reading...target is C by next month! Should I be drilling him? And he's behind in writing...uh oh!

Too much, too soon.

Do you think it is reasonable for the average K student to be expected to know a sound for each letter of the alphabet by the end of the year? Or do you think that is too ambitious? Assume these kids are in full day K.

+1 My child is learning this in full day preschool and has progressed leaps and bounds in social/emotional skills. This is largely based on the freedom of the school to establish it's own curriculum, schedules and teacher assessments.

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Yes, and I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with people who are reactionary, twist the meaning of your words , are defensive and start every reply with "Oh, so you think XXXX?". Because they demonstrate an inability to separate emotion from reason, and I can't respect

Why are you so emotionally attached to these standards?

Why are you so emotionally attached to tearing them down? See how that works?

I am not "emotionally" attached to the CC standards. I just happened to have actually read them, and I find nothing objectionable. I also just find it incredible that so many people on this board, who are so proud that they are well-educated and successful, cannot grasp the basic difference between standards, curricula, and assessments and analyze the issues more deeply.

Do you think it is reasonable for the average K student to be expected to know a sound for each letter of the alphabet by the end of the year? Or do you think that is too ambitious? Assume these kids are in full day K.

I don't think it is unreasonable. I would not expect mastery from all of the K students.

problem with all these standards is that it doesn't leave enough time for social emotional learning. Remember All I needed to Know I Learned in Kindergsrten? Or whatever that book was called?

Playing in the sandbox, role play, singing, art. That's what I want my Ker doing. But he has math and language arts every day...and homework. And he is only level B in reading...target is C by next month! Should I be drilling him? And he's behind in writing...uh oh!

Too much, too soon.

+1000--except for the sandbox! Hated the sandbox

Anonymous wrote:A problem with all these standards is that it doesn't leave enough time for social emotional learning. Remember All I needed to Know I Learned in Kindergsrten? Or whatever that book was called?

Playing in the sandbox, role play, singing, art. That's what I want my Ker doing. But he has math and language arts every day...and homework. And he is only level B in reading...target is C by next month! Should I be drilling him? And he's behind in writing...uh oh!

Too much, too soon.

Do you think it is reasonable for the average K student to be expected to know a sound for each letter of the alphabet by the end of the year? Or do you think that is too ambitious? Assume these kids are in full day K.

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, and I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with people who are reactionary, twist the meaning of your words , are defensive and start every reply with "Oh, so you think XXXX?". Because they demonstrate an inability to separate emotion from reason, and I can't respect that.

Has it occurred to you that people who disagree have valid reasons. You seem to think the standards can stand alone. They can't . In theory, perhaps, they don't require testing. However, in practice, they do.

You CAN separate standards and curriculum.

My son had a HORRIBLE time in 2nd grade, and cried and cried and cried, every time he had to do homework.

Funny thing was, this was before Common Core! It was just the regular MD state standards that we had.

But the MD state standards weren't what were making him cry. It was the hard homework, that was assigned by the teacher, as part of his curriculum (the materials and methods with which he was being taught)

The curriculum made him cry, and the MD state department of ed regulations made him not have a lot of recess! All before Common Core.

Funny thing is now, he's doing fine with Common Core standards. His teachers are using some of their old materials and some new ones as a curriculum, but it seems to be working just fine in 6th grade. No tears yet and he even took the PARCC field test without vomiting.

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Yes, and I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with people who are reactionary, twist the meaning of your words , are defensive and start every reply with "Oh, so you think XXXX?". Because they demonstrate an inability to separate emotion from reason, and I can't respect that.

Has it occurred to you that people who disagree have valid reasons. You seem to think the standards can stand alone. They can't . In theory, perhaps, they don't require testing. However, in practice, they do.

Sure. She may have some valid reasons. That does not entitle her to twist words or attribute meanings that were neither stated nor implied. It's not the way rational adults have a discussion, and suggests she has lost all objectivity. And frankly, it irritates the crap out of me to have people put words in my mouth that way.

Also, testing has been around for decades. So testing alone is not the issue....it's how the teats are being used to drive curriculum and teacher evaluations. Which is a political choice and again, not the fault of the standards.

A problem with all these standards is that it doesn't leave enough time for social emotional learning. Remember All I needed to Know I Learned in Kindergsrten? Or whatever that book was called?

Playing in the sandbox, role play, singing, art. That's what I want my Ker doing. But he has math and language arts every day...and homework. And he is only level B in reading...target is C by next month! Should I be drilling him? And he's behind in writing...uh oh!

Too much, too soon.

Yes, and I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with people who are reactionary, twist the meaning of your words , are defensive and start every reply with "Oh, so you think XXXX?". Because they demonstrate an inability to separate emotion from reason, and I can't respect

Why are you so emotionally attached to these standards?

Yes, and I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with people who are reactionary, twist the meaning of your words , are defensive and start every reply with "Oh, so you think XXXX?". Because they demonstrate an inability to separate emotion from reason, and I can't respect that.

Has it occurred to you that people who disagree have valid reasons. You seem to think the standards can stand alone. They can't . In theory, perhaps, they don't require testing. However, in practice, they do.

PP, standards aren't a program. I'm guessing the PP needs less wine, not more.

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Well, by all means, we should only teach what the children are excited about

Wow. Aren't you special. Please tell me how a child is supposed to name the author and illustrator of a book she has never seen?

Sweetie, the standard doesn't say they should know things they've never seen. We're talking about a book they've been read, and discussed and with PROMPTING AND SUPPORT from an adult. Pretty basic. Who's defensive? You, apparently.

Oh, so all the child has to do is parrot it back?.. Thanks Honey. That's a great standard! Lots of little robots.

You have a real problem with hyperbole and drama, don't you? Get a Xanax and calm the fuck down.

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No, FUCK YOU! Not when my kid is being decimated by this mother fucking Common Core.

Oh honey, go hug your kid and treat yourself to a glass of wine. It is so sad that this program has made kids and parents so anxious. School shouldn't be this way! All the best to you and your child, I'm sure you'll give them love and support no matter what the outcome.

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You mean Miss Sarcastic, Hyperventilating Hyperbole? Don't fall for her trap.

Seriously? Do you hear yourself?

Yes, and I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with people who are reactionary, twist the meaning of your words , are defensive and start every reply with "Oh, so you think XXXX?". Because they demonstrate an inability to separate emotion from reason, and I can't respect that.

You mean Miss Sarcastic, Hyperventilating Hyperbole? Don't fall for her trap.

Seriously? Do you hear yourself?

My kindergartener loves school, does not have homework, has no idea that standardized tests exist, and I think she has mastered the standards for K (at least according to what's written in this OP and what her report card says). She has a great teacher and we love her public school (DCPS).

If you have a problem with your child's K class, that's not the fault of Common Core, but its implementation in that class.