Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 22:13     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Future Janney parent here. We've been warned by two separate families that the "donation" is no-joke pressure tactics, and that your kids access to stuff is definitely tied to whether you donated or not. One parent told me another parent (soliciting their donation) called the switchboard at his office - not knowing the parents direct line - and got patched through.

I like where we live, but if these stories are true, I'm not looking forward to this...


Good Lord. This is my eighth year at Janney and I have simply NO IDEA how much any family donates. I have never been asked to donate and no one has ever mentioned to me that they've been on the receiving end of PTA pressure tactics. There have been years that haven't given a dime until later in the school year and I've never heard a peep from anyone. At every turn, the PTA goes to great length to mention that they value participation rather than a set dollar value. Everyone needs to just get a grip.


You may not know, but I am sure the fundraising committee knows.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 22:13     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At my title I, 99% FARMs school at full capacity, we receive $318,884 in title I funds, in a school that is community eligible for title I in which almost all the students are poor. That's significantly less money than Janney beings in for fundraising through the PTA, and my school has a population that has much greater academic and non-academic needs than at Janney. Don't bullshit us and say that JKLM schools bring in less than title 1; it simply is not true.


can you identify the school? how many kids are there? how much the school brings in per pupil?


Tyler?
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 22:12     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know where people say Payne gets millions in title 1 funds--its budget shows around $211k: http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/ABOUT%20DCPS/Budget%20-%20Finance/FY14%20documents/Updated%20School%20Allocations-FY14/DCPS-PAYNE-Allocation-FY14.pdf

Also, it has a large homeless population, so the challenges its students face are vastly more complicated than those of Janney's population.


I am the poster who did the Murch/Payne comparison. I never said that Payne gets millions in title 1 funds. I simply took the total budget of the schools for 2015 and divided by the projected number of students (one poster posted the link to the DCPS 2015 budgets for all schools). it comes out that Murch gets about $9,000 per student while Payne gets $14,000 per student. $5000 more per student is not really negligible, way more any PTA could raise. if the schools had the same number of students, Payne would get overn $3Million more than Murch. these are the numbers given by DCPS (clearly Payne gets more money for other sources in addition to title 1). again, this is not to say that Murch should get more, it is simply in response to posters saying that JKLM schools have more money than schools in poor areas because the parents raise funds. it appears instead that poor schools gets more money (at least Payne gets more than Murch) clearly the money raised by the Murch PTA is only a fraction of the difference in funding with Payne. nothing wrong with Payne getting more money per pupil since its student population needs specific support, but let's say that it does get more money and not less


Where is your source? Please include links and as much detail as possible.


sorry, as I said, I did not do any sophisticated evaluation. I just looked at the 2015 budget (another poster posted the link earlier this afternoon, this is the link http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/About+DCPS/Budget+and+Fina...+Report+Card/Submitted+Budgets ). I just looked at the total 2015 budget for a JKLM school (Murch) and one title 1 school (Payne), and divided by the number of projected students. I kept reading posts saying that WOTP schools get more money from DCPS, or get substantial more funds from their PTA, and other posters saying that schools in poor area get more, but nothing specific, and I wanted to see by myself. based on this raw calculations, Murch gets about $9000 per students while Payne gets about $14,000. I do not have any other links or details. if you have more, post them because I am interested in learning more
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 22:06     Subject: Re:How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:Why do you doubt it?


why can't we look at the actual numbers?
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 22:04     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know where people say Payne gets millions in title 1 funds--its budget shows around $211k: http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/ABOUT%20DCPS/Budget%20-%20Finance/FY14%20documents/Updated%20School%20Allocations-FY14/DCPS-PAYNE-Allocation-FY14.pdf

Also, it has a large homeless population, so the challenges its students face are vastly more complicated than those of Janney's population.


I am the poster who did the Murch/Payne comparison. I never said that Payne gets millions in title 1 funds. I simply took the total budget of the schools for 2015 and divided by the projected number of students (one poster posted the link to the DCPS 2015 budgets for all schools). it comes out that Murch gets about $9,000 per student while Payne gets $14,000 per student. $5000 more per student is not really negligible, way more any PTA could raise. if the schools had the same number of students, Payne would get overn $3Million more than Murch. these are the numbers given by DCPS (clearly Payne gets more money for other sources in addition to title 1). again, this is not to say that Murch should get more, it is simply in response to posters saying that JKLM schools have more money than schools in poor areas because the parents raise funds. it appears instead that poor schools gets more money (at least Payne gets more than Murch) clearly the money raised by the Murch PTA is only a fraction of the difference in funding with Payne. nothing wrong with Payne getting more money per pupil since its student population needs specific support, but let's say that it does get more money and not less


Where is your source? Please include links and as much detail as possible.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 21:50     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:I don't know where people say Payne gets millions in title 1 funds--its budget shows around $211k: http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/ABOUT%20DCPS/Budget%20-%20Finance/FY14%20documents/Updated%20School%20Allocations-FY14/DCPS-PAYNE-Allocation-FY14.pdf

Also, it has a large homeless population, so the challenges its students face are vastly more complicated than those of Janney's population.


I am the poster who did the Murch/Payne comparison. I never said that Payne gets millions in title 1 funds. I simply took the total budget of the schools for 2015 and divided by the projected number of students (one poster posted the link to the DCPS 2015 budgets for all schools). it comes out that Murch gets about $9,000 per student while Payne gets $14,000 per student. $5000 more per student is not really negligible, way more any PTA could raise. if the schools had the same number of students, Payne would get overn $3Million more than Murch. these are the numbers given by DCPS (clearly Payne gets more money for other sources in addition to title 1). again, this is not to say that Murch should get more, it is simply in response to posters saying that JKLM schools have more money than schools in poor areas because the parents raise funds. it appears instead that poor schools gets more money (at least Payne gets more than Murch) clearly the money raised by the Murch PTA is only a fraction of the difference in funding with Payne. nothing wrong with Payne getting more money per pupil since its student population needs specific support, but let's say that it does get more money and not less
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 21:42     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
I'm poor and I even I wouldn't send my kids to school in a high poverty area.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 21:36     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:Of course JKLM families have no idea what a 99% FARMs number means in terms of the community eligibility option. You would run away from a school that was title 1, let alone high poverty. Actually, you probably think that the 40% threshold for title 1 is high poverty.


I really do not understand all this hatred for JKLM families (we are one of them): these people decided to live in DC, pay taxes that support services not just for upper NW, but for the entire town, send their kids to DCPS and work to support their local schools. I have no problems whatsoever in admitting that I would not send my kids to a school in a high poverty area (as for Title 1, it depends on the school) especially at the middle school and high school level. The reality is that schools in areas with dramatic social problems are not able to teach kids to read and write, and the problems that these kids face at home profoundly affect their day at school.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 21:35     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:Future Janney parent here. We've been warned by two separate families that the "donation" is no-joke pressure tactics, and that your kids access to stuff is definitely tied to whether you donated or not. One parent told me another parent (soliciting their donation) called the switchboard at his office - not knowing the parents direct line - and got patched through.

I like where we live, but if these stories are true, I'm not looking forward to this...


I call bs. That parent almost certainly listed his general work number as a contact number. It's no sign of harassment. I'm more surprised at your thinking anyone has a switchboard. This isn't Mad Men.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 21:26     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
I don't know where people say Payne gets millions in title 1 funds--its budget shows around $211k: http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/ABOUT%20DCPS/Budget%20-%20Finance/FY14%20documents/Updated%20School%20Allocations-FY14/DCPS-PAYNE-Allocation-FY14.pdf

Also, it has a large homeless population, so the challenges its students face are vastly more complicated than those of Janney's population.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 21:23     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:Future Janney parent here. We've been warned by two separate families that the "donation" is no-joke pressure tactics, and that your kids access to stuff is definitely tied to whether you donated or not. One parent told me another parent (soliciting their donation) called the switchboard at his office - not knowing the parents direct line - and got patched through.

I like where we live, but if these stories are true, I'm not looking forward to this...


Good Lord. This is my eighth year at Janney and I have simply NO IDEA how much any family donates. I have never been asked to donate and no one has ever mentioned to me that they've been on the receiving end of PTA pressure tactics. There have been years that haven't given a dime until later in the school year and I've never heard a peep from anyone. At every turn, the PTA goes to great length to mention that they value participation rather than a set dollar value. Everyone needs to just get a grip.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 21:14     Subject: Re:How much does your school's PTA raise?
Why do you doubt it?
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 20:55     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At my title I, 99% FARMs school at full capacity, we receive $318,884 in title I funds, in a school that is community eligible for title I in which almost all the students are poor. That's significantly less money than Janney beings in for fundraising through the PTA, and my school has a population that has much greater academic and non-academic needs than at Janney. Don't bullshit us and say that JKLM schools bring in less than title 1; it simply is not true.


Is that school as big as Janney?


No, but it still comes out to a lot less than the $1000 Janney's PTA spends per child, according to an earlier post, and my school has a much more vulnerable population.


since we are comparing schools and numbers, and this is an anonymous forum, I do not get why you do not identify the school. if you did, we could look at the number of kids, the 2015 budget and have an idea of the situation. when it was done above with Murch and Payne, the numbers said that Payne was getting substantially more funds than Murch (and this is not bullshit, as another poster indicated, it is just basic math, total budget divided by the number of kids)


you also base you post on the assumption that Janney's PTA "spends $1000" per child. I am not a Janney parent and have no idea what their PTA brings in, but the post above said that the goal was a $1000 donation per child, with the PTA knowing that not all the parents do contribute. I seriously doubt the Janney PTA spends $1000 per child at the school
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 20:20     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
Future Janney parent here. We've been warned by two separate families that the "donation" is no-joke pressure tactics, and that your kids access to stuff is definitely tied to whether you donated or not. One parent told me another parent (soliciting their donation) called the switchboard at his office - not knowing the parents direct line - and got patched through.

I like where we live, but if these stories are true, I'm not looking forward to this...
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2014 20:01     Subject: How much does your school's PTA raise?
But at least they know what an argument ad hominem is...