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Anonymous wrote:And PP when they get those As, I bet they are in any college or university they choose.

Actually that's not true. I know a TJ grad who had all A's except for one B, as well as a nearly perfect SAT score, and she didn't get into any Ivies. She went to UVA.

Maybe she wanted to go to UVA.

She got into Duke, Rice, Carnegie Mellon and UVA. Did not get into Harvard (one parent had a Harvard grad degree), Brown, Columbia, Princeton, Penn or UC Berkeley. Participated in 2 varsity sports, plus other extracurriculars. I know all of this because I'm good friends with her mom.

Maybe she didn't take advanced post AP math or post AP science courses that most top students at TJ take.

I have had 2 kids at TJ so I'm familiar with the curriculum. Her only B was in an AP/post AP science class that gives many students their first B. I know she took Calc BC in 10th grade and then the math classes that follow in 11th and 12th. And to address the SAT score, I know her math and CR scores were each 800, writing was a little less. Also had 800s on all her SAT IIs and 5's on her APs. She is very happy at UVA - is getting great job/internship offers and her parents are happy to pay for grad school as she saved them so much money by choosing a state school over a private.

What were the ECs aside from 2 sports? Any officer positions or community service? it's just odd since about 20 ~ 25% of the TJ graduates make it to Ivys.

Do you have a link to this claim? It seems wildly off. 20-25% would mean that 90-110 students go to Ivies or 11-14 per Ivy. I haven't seen those numbers- even for TJ.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/377204.page

1) Since when is an anonymous post on DCUM evidence?
2) It shows acceptances not where they are going. One student can be accepted to more than one university.
3) The number of "acceptances" on your link is closer to 15% than 20-25%.

Anything else?

TJ college acceptance/enrollment history (2009 - 2013)

Brown University
64 28
University of California at Berkeley
58 12
California Institute of Technology
51 24
University of Chicago
60 17
Columbia University
53 27
Cornell University
203 77[/b
Dartmouth College
59 [b]29
Duke University
166 57
Georgetown University
65 20
Harvard College
30 23
Johns Hopkins University
63 9
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
97 68
University of Michigan
137 21
New York University
90 20
Northwestern University
63 13
University of Pennsylvania
60 32
Princeton University
97 53
Stanford University
51 38
University of Virginia
1115 498
Yale University
56 28

Okay, so 297 went to Ivy League in the past five years. So around 60 per year. There are around ~450 TJ graduates each year. That is not 20-25%. It is 13-14%.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, absolutely true. And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families. But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them. For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country. I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to). If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made. But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.

Yes they were:

"I bet a kid with those stats coming from Edison would have gotten into those ivys. Then she would've at least had the choice of them or uva, which is the point of this thread, right?"

"I can tell you unequivocally that you take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race, etc. - one of them is at Edison and one is at TJ, the kid at Edison will have a better chance of being accepted."

""take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race..." I think that assuming those factors are the same, she's probably right that the kid from Edison gets the nod."

There's a disconnect here, as the quotes you've excerpted don't stand for the proposition for which you've cited them. Surely TJ supporters are brighter than this.

No one is disputing that the TJ student body as a whole will have higher qualification and more admissions to prestigious colleges than the Edison student body as a whole. The question put on the table, though, was how two equally qualified candidates from each school would fare. You could argue - although you might not want to acknowledged this - that TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools, but the arguments you're making here are off-point.

That is the point: The premise assumes EQUAL qualifications. One cannot then add another factor (SES) to the mix and say the applicants are EQUAL. If one wants to discuss SES or opportunities, that is another discussion. However, do not repeatedly say equal in all respects for applicants from 2 schools and then say well maybe they are not really equal.

In fact, the previous posts went further and said if the students were equally qualified (including race) in all respects, Edison applicant has the advantage. That is not correct. If Edison applicant has a different background (lower SES), again that is not equal and that is a different discussion.

Get the facts straight before attempting to insult people.

Go back and look at the quotes you excerpted, and you'll see they assumed the two hypothetical students in question have the same SES. To say one cannot fairly assume they attended schools with different SES profiles defeats the entire purpose of the OP's inquiry.

Challenging the lack of rigor in your analysis is an observation, not an insult.

If you want to change the premise and say that TJ students are at a disadvantage (given equal qualifications in all respects with Edison students) because in your words "TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools", that is also incorrect.

It is obvious the school profiles for TJ and Edison are different. Furthermore, since the top colleges are very familiar with the rigor and challenges of schools such as TJ versus typical high school, a TJ student with equally qualified stats (including similar SES) will actually have an advantage over typical public high school student.

Colleges do not automatically assume SES level for the whole school population in making admissions decisions although they are aware of or familiar with some well-known schools. They make the initial cut based on GPA and SAT/ACT scores and then consider other factors (ECs, Essays, LORs) and SES, courses taken, reputation of school etc. in reviewing each applications. For example, for 2 white kids with 4.3 weighted GPA, 2100 SAT and same qualifications in all respects, TJ kid will definitely have an advantage over Edison kid.

The bolder part is where I think you're simply wrong, and are not familiar with the admissions process at the vast majority of competitive universities. Most competitive universities in this country conduct admission on a need-blind basis, meaning they do not look at the individual student's financial ability to pay for their education. Because of this, the admissions committee at these schools will know nothing about an individual student's SES status barring something like an essay about their difficult circumstances. What the admissions committees do in lieu of this is use the high school they went to (as well as their race) as a proxy for determining whether that child comes from more difficult circumstances. On average, a child from Edison is going to have come from a more challenging background than a child from say McLean. Sure, there are exceptions, but, again, the admissions committee can only use the information they have in front of them. TJ is a little bit of a different animal because it is not a HS that pulls children from a particular area that makes it easily identifiable as being a population of primarily privileged kids or a population of primarily disadvantaged kids. But, I don't think most people would argue the notion that the vast majority of kids at TJ come from homes that are very stable and have the financial resources to have gotten their kid into a HS like TJ. College admissions committees know that the student population at TJ, as a whole, is much more privileged than the student population at Edison. Thus, 2 children that, on paper, are basically equal in all respects, the advantage goes to the kid at the lesser HS. Note that TJ classes, AP, and IB classes are likely to be viewed fairly equitably, assuming the student has the same scores on standardized tests - what the admissions committees want to see is that the student challenged themselves to the maximum extent possible given what was offered at their HS.

Another factor that comes into play when a kid goes to a school filled with high achievers is that many competitive universities do not like to admit too many students from any one HS. Thus, when you go to a school that is not as competitive, it takes less to be one of the stand out candidates from that school.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, absolutely true. And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families. But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them. For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country. I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to). If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made. But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.

Yes they were:

"I bet a kid with those stats coming from Edison would have gotten into those ivys. Then she would've at least had the choice of them or uva, which is the point of this thread, right?"

"I can tell you unequivocally that you take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race, etc. - one of them is at Edison and one is at TJ, the kid at Edison will have a better chance of being accepted."

""take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race..." I think that assuming those factors are the same, she's probably right that the kid from Edison gets the nod."

There's a disconnect here, as the quotes you've excerpted don't stand for the proposition for which you've cited them. Surely TJ supporters are brighter than this.

No one is disputing that the TJ student body as a whole will have higher qualification and more admissions to prestigious colleges than the Edison student body as a whole. The question put on the table, though, was how two equally qualified candidates from each school would fare. You could argue - although you might not want to acknowledged this - that TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools, but the arguments you're making here are off-point.

That is the point: The premise assumes EQUAL qualifications. One cannot then add another factor (SES) to the mix and say the applicants are EQUAL. If one wants to discuss SES or opportunities, that is another discussion. However, do not repeatedly say equal in all respects for applicants from 2 schools and then say well maybe they are not really equal.

In fact, the previous posts went further and said if the students were equally qualified (including race) in all respects, Edison applicant has the advantage. That is not correct. If Edison applicant has a different background (lower SES), again that is not equal and that is a different discussion.

Get the facts straight before attempting to insult people.

Go back and look at the quotes you excerpted, and you'll see they assumed the two hypothetical students in question have the same SES. To say one cannot fairly assume they attended schools with different SES profiles defeats the entire purpose of the OP's inquiry.

Challenging the lack of rigor in your analysis is an observation, not an insult.

If you want to change the premise and say that TJ students are at a disadvantage (given equal qualifications in all respects with Edison students) because in your words "TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools", that is also incorrect.

It is obvious the school profiles for TJ and Edison are different. Furthermore, since the top colleges are very familiar with the rigor and challenges of schools such as TJ versus typical high school, a TJ student with equally qualified stats (including similar SES) will actually have an advantage over typical public high school student.

Colleges do not automatically assume SES level for the whole school population in making admissions decisions although they are aware of or familiar with some well-known schools. They make the initial cut based on GPA and SAT/ACT scores and then consider other factors (ECs, Essays, LORs) and SES, courses taken, reputation of school etc. in reviewing each applications. For example, for 2 white kids with 4.3 weighted GPA, 2100 SAT and same qualifications in all respects, TJ kid will definitely have an advantage over Edison kid.

Well, yes, this time you've at least stated the premise behind the OP's question correctly, although you've now made a series of unsupported assertions about how equally qualified and situated candidates from the two schools "definitely" would fare. Others have made exactly the opposite assertions, again without backing them up.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, absolutely true. And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families. But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them. For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country. I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to). If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made. But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.

Yes they were:

"I bet a kid with those stats coming from Edison would have gotten into those ivys. Then she would've at least had the choice of them or uva, which is the point of this thread, right?"

"I can tell you unequivocally that you take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race, etc. - one of them is at Edison and one is at TJ, the kid at Edison will have a better chance of being accepted."

""take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race..." I think that assuming those factors are the same, she's probably right that the kid from Edison gets the nod."

There's a disconnect here, as the quotes you've excerpted don't stand for the proposition for which you've cited them. Surely TJ supporters are brighter than this.

No one is disputing that the TJ student body as a whole will have higher qualification and more admissions to prestigious colleges than the Edison student body as a whole. The question put on the table, though, was how two equally qualified candidates from each school would fare. You could argue - although you might not want to acknowledged this - that TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools, but the arguments you're making here are off-point.

That is the point: The premise assumes EQUAL qualifications. One cannot then add another factor (SES) to the mix and say the applicants are EQUAL. If one wants to discuss SES or opportunities, that is another discussion. However, do not repeatedly say equal in all respects for applicants from 2 schools and then say well maybe they are not really equal.

In fact, the previous posts went further and said if the students were equally qualified (including race) in all respects, Edison applicant has the advantage. That is not correct. If Edison applicant has a different background (lower SES), again that is not equal and that is a different discussion.

Get the facts straight before attempting to insult people.

Go back and look at the quotes you excerpted, and you'll see they assumed the two hypothetical students in question have the same SES. To say one cannot fairly assume they attended schools with different SES profiles defeats the entire purpose of the OP's inquiry.

Challenging the lack of rigor in your analysis is an observation, not an insult.

If you want to change the premise and say that TJ students are at a disadvantage (given equal qualifications in all respects with Edison students) because in your words "TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools", that is also incorrect.

It is obvious the school profiles for TJ and Edison are different. Furthermore, since the top colleges are very familiar with the rigor and challenges of schools such as TJ versus typical high school, a TJ student with equally qualified stats (including similar SES) will actually have an advantage over typical public high school student.

Colleges do not automatically assume SES level for the whole school population in making admissions decisions although they are aware of or familiar with some well-known schools. They make the initial cut based on GPA and SAT/ACT scores and then consider other factors (ECs, Essays, LORs) and SES, courses taken, reputation of school etc. in reviewing each applications. For example, for 2 white kids with 4.3 weighted GPA, 2100 SAT and same qualifications in all respects, TJ kid will definitely have an advantage over Edison kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, absolutely true. And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families. But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them. For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country. I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to). If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made. But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.

Yes they were:

"I bet a kid with those stats coming from Edison would have gotten into those ivys. Then she would've at least had the choice of them or uva, which is the point of this thread, right?"

"I can tell you unequivocally that you take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race, etc. - one of them is at Edison and one is at TJ, the kid at Edison will have a better chance of being accepted."

""take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race..." I think that assuming those factors are the same, she's probably right that the kid from Edison gets the nod."

There's a disconnect here, as the quotes you've excerpted don't stand for the proposition for which you've cited them. Surely TJ supporters are brighter than this.

No one is disputing that the TJ student body as a whole will have higher qualification and more admissions to prestigious colleges than the Edison student body as a whole. The question put on the table, though, was how two equally qualified candidates from each school would fare. You could argue - although you might not want to acknowledged this - that TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools, but the arguments you're making here are off-point.

That is the point: The premise assumes EQUAL qualifications. One cannot then add another factor (SES) to the mix and say the applicants are EQUAL. If one wants to discuss SES or opportunities, that is another discussion. However, do not repeatedly say equal in all respects for applicants from 2 schools and then say well maybe they are not really equal.

In fact, the previous posts went further and said if the students were equally qualified (including race) in all respects, Edison applicant has the advantage. That is not correct. If Edison applicant has a different background (lower SES), again that is not equal and that is a different discussion.

Get the facts straight before attempting to insult people.

Go back and look at the quotes you excerpted, and you'll see they assumed the two hypothetical students in question have the same SES. To say one cannot fairly assume they attended schools with different SES profiles defeats the entire purpose of the OP's inquiry.

Challenging the lack of rigor in your analysis is an observation, not an insult.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, absolutely true. And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families. But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them. For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country. I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to). If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made. But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.

Yes they were:

"I bet a kid with those stats coming from Edison would have gotten into those ivys. Then she would've at least had the choice of them or uva, which is the point of this thread, right?"

"I can tell you unequivocally that you take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race, etc. - one of them is at Edison and one is at TJ, the kid at Edison will have a better chance of being accepted."

""take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race..." I think that assuming those factors are the same, she's probably right that the kid from Edison gets the nod."

There's a disconnect here, as the quotes you've excerpted don't stand for the proposition for which you've cited them. Surely TJ supporters are brighter than this.

No one is disputing that the TJ student body as a whole will have higher qualification and more admissions to prestigious colleges than the Edison student body as a whole. The question put on the table, though, was how two equally qualified candidates from each school would fare. You could argue - although you might not want to acknowledged this - that TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools, but the arguments you're making here are off-point.

That is the point: The premise assumes EQUAL qualifications. One cannot then add another factor (SES) to the mix and say the applicants are EQUAL. If one wants to discuss SES or opportunities, that is another discussion. However, do not repeatedly say equal in all respects for applicants from 2 schools and then say well maybe they are not really equal.

In fact, the previous posts went further and said if the students were equally qualified (including race) in all respects, Edison applicant has the advantage. That is not correct. If Edison applicant has a different background (lower SES), again that is not equal and that is a different discussion.

Get the facts straight before attempting to insult people.

Anonymous wrote:TJ college acceptance/enrollment history (2009 - 2013)

Brown University
64 28
University of California at Berkeley
58 12
California Institute of Technology
51 24
University of Chicago
60 17
Columbia University
53 27
Cornell University
203 77
Dartmouth College
59 29
Duke University
166 57
Georgetown University
65 20
Harvard College
30 23
Johns Hopkins University
63 9
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
97 68
University of Michigan
137 21
New York University
90 20
Northwestern University
63 13
University of Pennsylvania
60 32
Princeton University
97 53
Stanford University
51 38
University of Virginia
1115 498
Yale University
56 28

Link?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, absolutely true. And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families. But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them. For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country. I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to). If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made. But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.

Yes they were:

"I bet a kid with those stats coming from Edison would have gotten into those ivys. Then she would've at least had the choice of them or uva, which is the point of this thread, right?"

"I can tell you unequivocally that you take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race, etc. - one of them is at Edison and one is at TJ, the kid at Edison will have a better chance of being accepted."

""take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race..." I think that assuming those factors are the same, she's probably right that the kid from Edison gets the nod."

There's a disconnect here, as the quotes you've excerpted don't stand for the proposition for which you've cited them. Surely TJ supporters are brighter than this.

No one is disputing that the TJ student body as a whole will have higher qualification and more admissions to prestigious colleges than the Edison student body as a whole. The question put on the table, though, was how two equally qualified candidates from each school would fare. You could argue - although you might not want to acknowledged this - that TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools, but the arguments you're making here are off-point.

Anonymous wrote:Applications to TJ are declining, even among Asian students, and Loudoun may soon cease to provide transportation to TJ. There is an inverse relationship between the number of TJ threads on DCUM and the actual level of interest in TJ among area students. The volume of TJ threads likely reflects the efforts of some TJ parents to try and demonstrate the school's continued importance, but the TJ "experience" is quickly becoming a product for which there is declining demand.

Better for those kids who do apply with less kids applying.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, absolutely true. And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families. But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them. For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country. I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to). If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made. But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.

Yes they were:

"I bet a kid with those stats coming from Edison would have gotten into those ivys. Then she would've at least had the choice of them or uva, which is the point of this thread, right?"

"I can tell you unequivocally that you take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race, etc. - one of them is at Edison and one is at TJ, the kid at Edison will have a better chance of being accepted."

""take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race..." I think that assuming those factors are the same, she's probably right that the kid from Edison gets the nod."

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Anonymous wrote:People don't hate on TJ because of excellence, but it is funny how vehemently TJ supporters attack anyone who dares suggest that a student at another school might do just as well, or be just as smart, or even have an advantage getting into a top university. TJ has a higher concentration of very smart kids -- that's the nature of a magnet school -- but that doesn't mean that students who don't choose to go there are lesser beings intellectually or otherwise. That's what PP meant by hubris and it is all over this thread and any other that dares question whether TJ is the only route to success in this area.

If it works for your kid, great, but realize that other kids may choose different and for them, equally or more challenging paths.

A thousand times this.

Attack is when someone uses words/phrases like "hubris" or "too many Asians" or "close it down". When did TJ supporters say only TJ students were smart? When did TJ supporters say there are no smart kids at other schools. When did TJ supporters say kids at other schools are lesser beings intellectually? That would be ludicrous.

There are many ways to successful accomplishments. You have it backwards. TJ supporters are offering opinions/arguments whereas real "attacks/hostility" come from the TJ haters. Stop hating and recognize there are many routes to success including places like TJ.

Pathetic is when one poster continually posts the same feeble comeback every time a new poster disagrees with her. Please get some new material or improve your argument.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, absolutely true. And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families. But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them. For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country. I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to). If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made. But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.

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Anonymous wrote:And PP when they get those As, I bet they are in any college or university they choose.

Actually that's not true. I know a TJ grad who had all A's except for one B, as well as a nearly perfect SAT score, and she didn't get into any Ivies. She went to UVA.

Maybe she wanted to go to UVA.

She got into Duke, Rice, Carnegie Mellon and UVA. Did not get into Harvard (one parent had a Harvard grad degree), Brown, Columbia, Princeton, Penn or UC Berkeley. Participated in 2 varsity sports, plus other extracurriculars. I know all of this because I'm good friends with her mom.

Maybe she didn't take advanced post AP math or post AP science courses that most top students at TJ take.

I have had 2 kids at TJ so I'm familiar with the curriculum. Her only B was in an AP/post AP science class that gives many students their first B. I know she took Calc BC in 10th grade and then the math classes that follow in 11th and 12th. And to address the SAT score, I know her math and CR scores were each 800, writing was a little less. Also had 800s on all her SAT IIs and 5's on her APs. She is very happy at UVA - is getting great job/internship offers and her parents are happy to pay for grad school as she saved them so much money by choosing a state school over a private.

What were the ECs aside from 2 sports? Any officer positions or community service? it's just odd since about 20 ~ 25% of the TJ graduates make it to Ivys.

Do you have a link to this claim? It seems wildly off. 20-25% would mean that 90-110 students go to Ivies or 11-14 per Ivy. I haven't seen those numbers- even for TJ.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/377204.page

1) Since when is an anonymous post on DCUM evidence?
2) It shows acceptances not where they are going. One student can be accepted to more than one university.
3) The number of "acceptances" on your link is closer to 15% than 20-25%.

Anything else?

TJ college acceptance/enrollment history (2009 - 2013)

Brown University
64 28
University of California at Berkeley
58 12
California Institute of Technology
51 24
University of Chicago
60 17
Columbia University
53 27
Cornell University
203 77
Dartmouth College
59 29
Duke University
166 57
Georgetown University
65 20
Harvard College
30 23
Johns Hopkins University
63 9
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
97 68
University of Michigan
137 21
New York University
90 20
Northwestern University
63 13
University of Pennsylvania
60 32
Princeton University
97 53
Stanford University
51 38
University of Virginia
1115 498
Yale University
56 28

Anonymous wrote:Applications to TJ are declining, even among Asian students, and Loudoun may soon cease to provide transportation to TJ. There is an inverse relationship between the number of TJ threads on DCUM and the actual level of interest in TJ among area students. The volume of TJ threads likely reflects the efforts of some TJ parents to try and demonstrate the school's continued importance, but the TJ "experience" is quickly becoming a product for which there is declining demand.

I think the main problem is traffic. It just isn't worth it to drive an hour more more each way for school.

Applications to TJ are declining, even among Asian students, and Loudoun may soon cease to provide transportation to TJ. There is an inverse relationship between the number of TJ threads on DCUM and the actual level of interest in TJ among area students. The volume of TJ threads likely reflects the efforts of some TJ parents to try and demonstrate the school's continued importance, but the TJ "experience" is quickly becoming a product for which there is declining demand.