I find that students in the AAP program that don't pass all of the requirements ARE or AREN'T ready, and the general education students that do pass all of the tests AREN'T ready. If the General Students can't pass a CogAt test, how will they survive Algebra 1 HN?

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Anonymous wrote:Any stats on the % of AAP kids that don't qualify for algebra 1 honors and % of GE kids taking advanced math that do qualify?

Not exactly what you asked for but may be of interest -- from January 2013, see slides 45 - 48.

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/AAPACpresentationJan2013.pdf

Thanks.

Looks like about 50% of AAP kids took Algebra 1 honors and about 15% of GE kids did the same.

What I didn't know was there's a "parent appeal" or "administrator placement."

Those are rare and far between.

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Anonymous wrote:Any stats on the % of AAP kids that don't qualify for algebra 1 honors and % of GE kids taking advanced math that do qualify?

Not exactly what you asked for but may be of interest -- from January 2013, see slides 45 - 48.

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/AAPACpresentationJan2013.pdf

Thanks.

Looks like about 50% of AAP kids took Algebra 1 honors and about 15% of GE kids did the same.

What I didn't know was there's a "parent appeal" or "administrator placement."

Anonymous wrote:Any stats on the % of AAP kids that don't qualify for algebra 1 honors and % of GE kids taking advanced math that do qualify?

Not exactly what you asked for but may be of interest -- from January 2013, see slides 45 - 48.

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/AAPACpresentationJan2013.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Any stats on the % of AAP kids that don't qualify for algebra 1 honors and % of GE kids taking advanced math that do qualify?

I don't think that's available and even if it is, it's irrelevant. You don't need a high math score to qualify for AAP. I've volunteered in AAP math classrooms and a not-insubstantial proportion of the kids have some amount of trouble keeping up with the math curriculum.

It's actually very relevant and good information to have. These aap kids who can't keep up with the math should be sent back to GE and I mean the non accelerated courses either. The same approach applies to TJ kids who can't keep up or who aren't really there for the math or science.

Anonymous wrote:Any stats on the % of AAP kids that don't qualify for algebra 1 honors and % of GE kids taking advanced math that do qualify?

I don't think that's available and even if it is, it's irrelevant. You don't need a high math score to qualify for AAP. I've volunteered in AAP math classrooms and a not-insubstantial proportion of the kids have some amount of trouble keeping up with the math curriculum.

Any stats on the % of AAP kids that don't qualify for algebra 1 honors and % of GE kids taking advanced math that do qualify?

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Anonymous wrote:If this wasn't a timed test, my gut tells me that any kid in 6th grade advanced math would do well.

I just wonder why the test is timed such that each section, with 15 questions, is given only 10 minutes.

If there is not even a minute for one question, that really makes it hard unless the questions are not that hard. Maybe that is why it is difficult to get the 91.
How hard are the questions ?

Actually, it is not "hard" to get the 91 even for a lot of kids who aren't quite ready for Algebra I in 7th grade. I know plenty who passed that benchmark easily and still had to retake Algebra in 8th because they weren't ready. Know your kid and listen to what his 6th grade teacher recommends. They usually know.

Totally agree that any pushing/prep is a bad idea. At DD's school they gave 2 tests -- algebraic aptitude & cognitive development. She aced the former (98 or 99%) and they recommended that she take Algebra 1 in 7th. I called to ask about the other test & it was borderlinish -- I decided to have her wait and it was the right decision. AP Calc was quite enough senior year, especially with the rest of her course load.

Anonymous wrote:If this wasn't a timed test, my gut tells me that any kid in 6th grade advanced math would do well.

I just wonder why the test is timed such that each section, with 15 questions, is given only 10 minutes.

If there is not even a minute for one question, that really makes it hard unless the questions are not that hard. Maybe that is why it is difficult to get the 91.
How hard are the questions ?

My child barely made the cut off for the IAAT and missed the SOL cut off by one question. We moved between 6th and 7th grade to another school district. The new principal said DS could take Algebra or 8th grade "math." We opted for 8th grade math, with algebra in 8th grade. Best move ever. DS went from a math hater to a math lover (well, maybe not lover but serious liker). HE just needed the extra time to feel secure. His math teacher says it's fine. He will still be able to take all of the math classes he would need.

I think if your child isn't ready, you should try to respect that.

If this wasn't a timed test, my gut tells me that any kid in 6th grade advanced math would do well.

I just wonder why the test is timed such that each section, with 15 questions, is given only 10 minutes.

I was annoyed when my smart, studious DS wasn't assigned to Algebra I in 7th. His math grades were always good, but SOLs and other standardized tests were usually average to just above average. Now that he's in high school I realize how/where he learns best, and that's in the track below. So just another perspective.

DS made the Iowa cut off but just barely missed the SOL cut off. It really had to have been 1 question on the SOL. At his MS, if you're that close and the parent requests to take Alg I, he will be put in. The school seemed to have their own cut off (which was even lower than my DS' score), where if you were within that range and you request to be put in, they will place you there without any question. It wasn't an appeal, you really just had to email the counselor and request it. BUT, DS did not do well in Alg I Hon in 7th grade, and we ended up pulling him out and moving him to Math 7 Hon after the 1st quarter. My take away from this is that if the kid is borderline on the test, he probably doesn't belong in Alg I (unless you think it was a fluke that he didn't do well on the test, like he was sick that day or something).

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a DC met the 91 percentile IAAT requirement, but not the 500 on SOL (or vice versa)? Did your DC get into Honors Algebra?

It is far more common to get a 500+ on the SOL than a 91% on the IAAT. PP shows that it is not universally true.

FWIW, both tests can be studied for. My DD just missed the 91, but scored 520. I did not think she was ready for Algebra though.

So did your DD get into Honors Algebra?

She did not meet the benchmark, and I did not appeal. She was not ready. Period.