Anonymous wrote:Wow.

At our son's middle school orientation the staff thoroughly reviewed the math criteria. They commented to the fact the TJ did not require nor need the kids to have finished Geometry for application. Honors math track was more than sufficient.

The students that "only" take Algebra 1 Honors in 8th grade technically qualify for TJ admission, but they are overwhelmingly not admitted.

Wow.

At our son's middle school orientation the staff thoroughly reviewed the math criteria. They commented to the fact the TJ did not require nor need the kids to have finished Geometry for application. Honors math track was more than sufficient.

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Anonymous wrote:It is about 7% for class of 2017 taking geometry.

Where is this number from?

The Geometry class at TJ now.

How can there be 7% taking Geometry when only about 3% of 480 (maybe lot less now to 1 or 2 %) is accepted each year? Are some of the 9th grader who took Geometry repeating the course in 10th grade to make up the 7%?

I have no idea. I looked around the class and counted heads. = 30

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Anonymous wrote:In the data above 13.5% of admitted freshman had Algebra 1 in 8th grade, so presumable took Geometry in 9th grade.

I think the PP is trying to say that this 13.5% is down to 7% for the 2017 class (current freshmen).

Incoming freshmen taking Geometry will be 4% this year down from 7% last year.

And this information comes from...?

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Anonymous wrote:In the data above 13.5% of admitted freshman had Algebra 1 in 8th grade, so presumable took Geometry in 9th grade.

I think the PP is trying to say that this 13.5% is down to 7% for the 2017 class (current freshmen).

Incoming freshmen taking Geometry will be 4% this year down from 7% last year.

Which essentially means that if the 7th grade student did not take Algebra 1 Honors, they can skip the application process for TJ as it is pointless.

Anonymous wrote:In the data above 13.5% of admitted freshman had Algebra 1 in 8th grade, so presumable took Geometry in 9th grade.

I think the PP is trying to say that this 13.5% is down to 7% for the 2017 class (current freshmen).

Incoming freshmen taking Geometry will be 4% this year down from 7% last year.

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Anonymous wrote:The stats from 2010 (4 years ago):
Math 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1856 56.2% 65 13.5%
Geometry 1345 40.7% 346 72.1%
> Geometry 103 3.1% 69 14.4%
Total 3304** 480 100.00%

Above shows 65/1,856 (3.5%) were admitted for Algebra I applicants, 346/1345 (25.7%) were accepted for Geometry applicants and and 69/103 (69%) were accepted for higher than Geometry applicants.

It is more skewed towards applicants with >Geometry now compared to 2010.

Thank you for the correct interpretation of data and concise summarization. Does anyone know if further breakdown of ">Geometry" is available that shows the acceptance rates for applicants w/ Algebra II, PreCalc, or Calc?

More importantly though, the data show that approximately 70% of each accepted freshman class has completed geometry in 8th grade, meaning that about that same percentage is taking Algebra II as 9th graders. The majority of freshmen at TJ over the last few years have taken TJ's version of Algebra II. (In the future, TJ is implementing its own math sequence, which is discussed on the TJ website.)

Incoming TJ freshmen can take a TJ math placement test and skip Pre-calculus and go straight to Calculus BC if they took Algebra II in middle school if they receive 90% or better.

True, but the school has preferred that freshmen take "TJ Algebra II" because it gives students a foundation which covers everything that TJ teachers want the students to have covered. This year's incoming class will be following a different sequence for math at TJ, as noted in the link above.

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Anonymous wrote:The stats from 2010 (4 years ago):
Math 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1856 56.2% 65 13.5%
Geometry 1345 40.7% 346 72.1%
> Geometry 103 3.1% 69 14.4%
Total 3304** 480 100.00%

Above shows 65/1,856 (3.5%) were admitted for Algebra I applicants, 346/1345 (25.7%) were accepted for Geometry applicants and and 69/103 (69%) were accepted for higher than Geometry applicants.

It is more skewed towards applicants with >Geometry now compared to 2010.

Thank you for the correct interpretation of data and concise summarization. Does anyone know if further breakdown of ">Geometry" is available that shows the acceptance rates for applicants w/ Algebra II, PreCalc, or Calc?

More importantly though, the data show that approximately 70% of each accepted freshman class has completed geometry in 8th grade, meaning that about that same percentage is taking Algebra II as 9th graders. The majority of freshmen at TJ over the last few years have taken TJ's version of Algebra II. (In the future, TJ is implementing its own math sequence, which is discussed on the TJ website.)

Incoming TJ freshmen can take a TJ math placement test and skip Pre-calculus and go straight to Calculus BC if they took Algebra II in middle school if they receive 90% or better.

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Anonymous wrote:The stats from 2010 (4 years ago):
Math 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1856 56.2% 65 13.5%
Geometry 1345 40.7% 346 72.1%
> Geometry 103 3.1% 69 14.4%
Total 3304** 480 100.00%

Above shows 65/1,856 (3.5%) were admitted for Algebra I applicants, 346/1345 (25.7%) were accepted for Geometry applicants and and 69/103 (69%) were accepted for higher than Geometry applicants.

It is more skewed towards applicants with >Geometry now compared to 2010.

Thank you for the correct interpretation of data and concise summarization. Does anyone know if further breakdown of ">Geometry" is available that shows the acceptance rates for applicants w/ Algebra II, PreCalc, or Calc?

I would be very surprised if there were more than one or two above Algebra II.

There have been about 8 to 12 kids taking Calculus BC as freshmen per year for the last couple of years and there was a freshman who began with multivariable calculus about three years ago that I know of as well. There is also a 14 year old taking Linear Algebra as well.

Anonymous wrote:In the data above 13.5% of admitted freshman had Algebra 1 in 8th grade, so presumable took Geometry in 9th grade.

I think the PP is trying to say that this 13.5% is down to 7% for the 2017 class (current freshmen).

Some of the accepted students who took Algebra I in 8th grade take geometry in the summer before 9th so they can start Algebra II in 9th at TJ with the majority of the class. At parent orientation in the past, the staff indicated that they prefer kids to take TJ's version of Algebra II because the content of the course is specific to the needs of TJ students. Here's the link to info about changes being made to the math program at TJ:

https://academics.tjhsst.edu/mathcs/

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Anonymous wrote:I will tell my TJ junior with the 4.0 that he is the "dumb one" Maybe that will flatter his ego a bit.

What kind of post AP calculus or post AP science courses your "4.0" TJ junior taking? Is the "4.0" unweighted or weighted?

Weighted, FCPS doesn't calculate unweighted.

Say Hello to GMU.

In the data above 13.5% of admitted freshman had Algebra 1 in 8th grade, so presumable took Geometry in 9th grade.

I think the PP is trying to say that this 13.5% is down to 7% for the 2017 class (current freshmen).

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Anonymous wrote:It is about 7% for class of 2017 taking geometry.

Where is this number from?

The Geometry class at TJ now.

How can there be 7% taking Geometry when only about 3% of 480 (maybe lot less now to 1 or 2 %) is accepted each year? Are some of the 9th grader who took Geometry repeating the course in 10th grade to make up the 7%?

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Anonymous wrote:The stats from 2010 (4 years ago):
Math 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1856 56.2% 65 13.5%
Geometry 1345 40.7% 346 72.1%
> Geometry 103 3.1% 69 14.4%
Total 3304** 480 100.00%

Above shows 65/1,856 (3.5%) were admitted for Algebra I applicants, 346/1345 (25.7%) were accepted for Geometry applicants and and 69/103 (69%) were accepted for higher than Geometry applicants.

It is more skewed towards applicants with >Geometry now compared to 2010.

Thank you for the correct interpretation of data and concise summarization. Does anyone know if further breakdown of ">Geometry" is available that shows the acceptance rates for applicants w/ Algebra II, PreCalc, or Calc?

It is still oddly, a crap shoot. There are a few kids taking > greater than Algebra II who do not get in.

With a child taking math greater than Algebra II who doesn't get accepted, I would say it is not a crap shoot situation so much as one where the child's record may have some indication that TJ may not be a good fit for that child. I realize that a lot of people feel that reading comprehension and writing ability should have nothing to with TJ admissions, but the fact is that a child who is not very strong in those areas will have a very difficult time dealing with the curriculum at TJ. TJ has high standards in their math, science, and technology classes and equally high standards in their English and social studies classes. High math ability is necessary to do well at TJ, but it is not enough. Kids at TJ are expected to meet challenging standards in all their classes, in every subject area.

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Anonymous wrote:The stats from 2010 (4 years ago):
Math 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1856 56.2% 65 13.5%
Geometry 1345 40.7% 346 72.1%
> Geometry 103 3.1% 69 14.4%
Total 3304** 480 100.00%

Above shows 65/1,856 (3.5%) were admitted for Algebra I applicants, 346/1345 (25.7%) were accepted for Geometry applicants and and 69/103 (69%) were accepted for higher than Geometry applicants.

It is more skewed towards applicants with >Geometry now compared to 2010.

Thank you for the correct interpretation of data and concise summarization. Does anyone know if further breakdown of ">Geometry" is available that shows the acceptance rates for applicants w/ Algebra II, PreCalc, or Calc?

I would be very surprised if there were more than one or two above Algebra II.