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And it still doesn't negate the fact that it remains a Christian holiday

for many people, it isn't. you don't get to dictate the way that the holiday is observed.

Christmas has the word "Christ" in it, obviously. Some of you people just ignore logic to do whatever you want.

Saturday has the word Saturn in it. So what?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see, non-Catholics celebrate St. Valentines day and St. Patrick's Day; non-Mexicans celebrate Cinco do Mayo (which isn't really a big day in Mexico) non-Veterans get Veterans Day off, and thanksgiving and Columbus Day are totally based on historical inaccuracies. So, I really don't give a fuck if non Christians celebrate Christmas. OP and the rest are just trying to feel superior and exclusive, like most on DCUM do on a daily basis.

What do you think you're celebrating on Christmas, if it's not the birth of Christ?

Solistice. If everyone regularly got the the 21st as a vacation day instead of Christmas, that's what others would be doing as well.

If OP is offended, let's take it Congress. Let's make it so Dec 25 is not a federal holiday, but rather just a day like every other day, that if you have to celebrate, you have to use your own vacation time. That's what the rest of us do. Then no one will be celebrating "your" holiday.

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And it still doesn't negate the fact that it remains a Christian holiday

for many people, it isn't. you don't get to dictate the way that the holiday is observed.

Christmas has the word "Christ" in it, obviously. Some of you people just ignore logic to do whatever you want.

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And it still doesn't negate the fact that it remains a Christian holiday

for many people, it isn't. you don't get to dictate the way that the holiday is observed.

Christmas has the word "Christ" in it, obviously. Some of you people just ignore logic to do whatever you want.

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And it still doesn't negate the fact that it remains a Christian holiday

for many people, it isn't. you don't get to dictate the way that the holiday is observed.

Christmas has the word "Christ" in it, obviously. Some of you people just ignore logic to do whatever you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure what posts you are talking about. But my family is Muslim and we had a fantastic Christmas. My kids were thrilled. As were my Hindu friends' kids. We all met up later in the day for a play date. Great day.

So you were celebrating the birth of your savior Jesus Christ? I didn't realize Muslims and Hindus did that. Interesting.

Not sure about Hindu but do you know that Muslims believe Jesus is a messenger of God? The study his word in the Quran. Why wouldn't they celebrate him?

They thought he was a prophet. I just wasn't aware they celebrated the births of all the prophets with such fanfare.

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And it still doesn't negate the fact that it remains a Christian holiday

for many people, it isn't. you don't get to dictate the way that the holiday is observed.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an atheist who was raised Catholic. My entire family is Catholic. My DH was raised Catholic. My DH's family is Catholic.

Our families celebrate Christmas. We celebrate it, too. It's within our cultural heritage. We are secular Catholics, the way some people are secular Jews.

I don't see what's weird about it.

It contradicts your commitment to atheism? That's what's weird. Atheists shouldn't celebrate the birth of a deity.

DH and I are atheists. Our children are not. They are being raised in a religion that they can decide to reject when they are older. I think religion gives a moral frame work to life. Atheism's philosophical frame work is harder to pass on to children. You have to want to be a nice person because there is no external factor like heaven or hell. So we do Christmas and take our kids to mass on Christmas Eve. We participate in a cultural ritual that we don't believe in because we, and more specifically our kids, are a part of society.

I agree that kids need a moral framework. What you do is fascinating. Do you take them to church every Sunday or only on Christmas Eve?

We try to go once or twice a month. Why is this fascinating? I assumed most people do this.

That's your problem right there. Why do you think others are like you? No, this is really peculiar.

I think atheism is too much for little kids. Do other atheist just tell their kids there is nothing?

Yes. That is exactly what we told our kids. We are a fluke of the universe. We are as ephmeral as butterflies, and just as beautiful. There is nothing after death. There is no meaning to this life except what we make it, so you should work hard to make your life mean something beautiful or great or kind. They had an existential crisis getting their heads around it when they were very small, but they were over it by age 6 or 7.

BTW, we celebrate Christmas. My very Catholic parents insist on it. When DS#1 was two months old, my mother bought a tree and ornaments and a creche and descended on my house with it. She was leaving until we put it all up.

(She also DIY baptized the babies in the bathtub. She thinks I don't know, but she told my little brother. Whatever. It made her feel better.)

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see, non-Catholics celebrate St. Valentines day and St. Patrick's Day; non-Mexicans celebrate Cinco do Mayo (which isn't really a big day in Mexico) non-Veterans get Veterans Day off, and thanksgiving and Columbus Day are totally based on historical inaccuracies. So, I really don't give a fuck if non Christians celebrate Christmas. OP and the rest are just trying to feel superior and exclusive, like most on DCUM do on a daily basis.

What do you think you're celebrating on Christmas, if it's not the birth of Christ?

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The partaking of all the rituals and symbolism of Christmas while insisting you're not "Christian" is really strange to me.

What rituals and symbolism? You mean a Christmas tree, which was actually a pagan tradition that was taken by Christians who insisted they weren't pagan?

I'm not going to Mass or putting a Nativity scene out. What's the big deal?

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I agree. It's all the sulking and whining that baffle me. So don't do it. Who cares if it's "family tradition" or whatnot. We certainly don't care that you're making youself a "martyr". We are sick of listening to you bitch and moan. If you hate it, simply stop doing it and grow up!

Then don't click on the threads. In the words of a complete douchebag I recently read, "If you hate it, simply stop doing it and grow up!"

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The partaking of all the rituals and symbolism of Christmas while insisting you're not "Christian" is really strange to me.

And it still doesn't negate the fact that it remains a Christian holiday