Anonymous
Post 12/05/2013 11:34     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
PP again, this article says everything I want to say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/catholic-leadership-does-not-represent-women_b_1276929.html
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2013 11:26     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm not Catholic. But I have to argue with the PP who says that most Catholics are "conservative." This may be true in a social sense (birth control, abortion, women priests) but it's definitely wrong in an economic sense. In fact, the Catholic church's anti-poverty mission, led by nuns, really appeals to me (even as the stance on social issues keeps me away). I know many Catholics who are ultra-liberal on economic issues.

So I guess I'm saying, that the blanket hatred here misses some good things (economic liberalism), and some good people (liberal Catholics I know).


It's not even true in a social sense. For example, almost every American Catholic uses birth control. Their rates of birth control usage and abortion are roughly the same as the population at large. The one big difference is that they support a church hierarchy that is trying to remove those options for everyone else.


While my personal problems are more with the Church's official positions on things, I also feel anger towards what I see as hypocritical adherents of the religion. That they are supporting the Church while engaging in the behaviors that the Church condemns. They are taking advantage of medicines and procedures the Church would like to see denied, esp. to women.

My anger is because I feel the church has significant influence over the lives of the poor and esp. poor women in other countries. I think our comparatively rich Catholics should be fighting to modify the stance of their church to be what I see as more compassionate to the poor. Why would anyone want a poor woman in Guatemala for example to have another baby she doesn't want, can't feed, can't vaccinate etc. The church should be giving free birth control to these people to help them reduce family size (if they want to) and climb out of poverty. Every child born should have parents who want it and food to eat and medicine. Isn't that what Jesus would want? I don't recall him talking much about pregnancy, but I do recall hearing a lot about the poor and the sick.

Catholics in this country are also supporting an organization that is still openly misogynistic. Denying that women can be priests is misogynistic.

Other religions are also misogynistic but "everybody is doing it" doesn't make it OK.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2013 09:47     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
Anonymous wrote:I'm not Catholic. But I have to argue with the PP who says that most Catholics are "conservative." This may be true in a social sense (birth control, abortion, women priests) but it's definitely wrong in an economic sense. In fact, the Catholic church's anti-poverty mission, led by nuns, really appeals to me (even as the stance on social issues keeps me away). I know many Catholics who are ultra-liberal on economic issues.

So I guess I'm saying, that the blanket hatred here misses some good things (economic liberalism), and some good people (liberal Catholics I know).


It's not even true in a social sense. For example, almost every American Catholic uses birth control. Their rates of birth control usage and abortion are roughly the same as the population at large. The one big difference is that they support a church hierarchy that is trying to remove those options for everyone else.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2013 04:42     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
Can we get back to discussing the topic? To the Dr. Seuss poster, I enjoyed the read but please don't hijack the thread.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2013 04:22     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
Anonymous wrote:NP here. PP- why are you bothering with someone who wants nothing to do with you? You're acting like a troll. Just move on. The PP you just responded to got the better if you. [/quote

this is my post. PP - I'm sorry if this post is harsh. I don't mean it to be. I just hope you find happiness. Best of luck in life.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2013 01:40     Subject: Re:Who is hating on the Catholics?
This thread is getting silly and bringing out the trolls. I'm going to hijack it with Dr. Seuss quotes. Enjoy!
"Today is your day! Your mountain is waiting. So..get on your way."
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2013 00:59     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
Ladies, please stop the bickering!
There was a post a few pages back about someones mom who was raped. To that poster, that is awful. I'll keep good thoughts for you.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2013 00:52     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
NP here. PP- why are you bothering with someone who wants nothing to do with you? You're acting like a troll. Just move on. The PP you just responded to got the better if you.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2013 23:44     Subject: Re:Who is hating on the Catholics?
Anonymous wrote:No thanks. You're not worth it. Good luck to you.


I hope my kids grow up to be a better person than you are. Atheists = sucky personalities.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2013 22:49     Subject: Re:Who is hating on the Catholics?
No thanks. You're not worth it. Good luck to you.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2013 22:49     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
I am hating on the Catholics. I was born Catholic, baptized, Catholic school all the way from K through Senior year in HS. Catholicism convinced me that religion is a force for evil in the world. Catholicism strikes me as especially misogynistic and hypocritical.

I do like this new Pope, however.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2013 22:44     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
Anonymous wrote:PP-you sound like a bully


Keep trying.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2013 21:22     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
PP-you sound like a bully
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2013 13:39     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
Anonymous wrote:OP, did you get your answer? People dislike Catholics and the Catholic Church for a myriad of reasons, political, social, and personal. Hating on Catholics and the Church is nothing new. It has been this way since day one and will be this way until the last day.


That's a pretty massive distortion of what has been said on this thread. Why don't you try again, with a teensy bit of balance this time.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2013 12:45     Subject: Who is hating on the Catholics?
I'm not Catholic. But I have to argue with the PP who says that most Catholics are "conservative." This may be true in a social sense (birth control, abortion, women priests) but it's definitely wrong in an economic sense. In fact, the Catholic church's anti-poverty mission, led by nuns, really appeals to me (even as the stance on social issues keeps me away). I know many Catholics who are ultra-liberal on economic issues.

So I guess I'm saying, that the blanket hatred here misses some good things (economic liberalism), and some good people (liberal Catholics I know).