Anonymous
Post 11/04/2013 13:51     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am of the camp that thinks the times should remain the same, or perhaps only change by 1/2 hour. These children will be in college, the military, or in the working world soon enough, where no one is going to make the starting time later to give them more sleep. Or should the colleges change their classes to start later, too? After all, kids are in their teens during their first few years of college...



Have you looked at college class schedules lately? How many of the classes start at 7:30 am?


I took 7am classes every year at college in the 90's. Left school by 11:30am and worked a FT job as a nanny from 12-8pm. Came home and studied/HW until 11pm-12am. Up at 6:15am. If kids had to do that this day and age, they would cry like little babies. From this thread, it seems like their mommies would too. But guess what? I graduated as an RN in 3yrs with zero student loans, was working full time in 2 months and my work has paid for all my other education and now I am a nurse practitioner. Again, no debt, no loans and living a pretty decent life. And I went to high school super early. I can't remember the exact time but it was before 8am and we would get picked up at a bus stop in the dark. I made it thru and so will your kids. They have it easier than any other generation before them but it is the parents that are enabling them and making it worse. Coddling them, giving them iPhones to waste their free time away, not making them work and support themselves. Lazy lazy lazy. Then they go into college, rack up loans, don't work thru college and graduate and struggle to find a job with debt up to their eyeballs. But I am sure changing the whole county's system so they can go to bed one hour later and wake up one hour later will make them bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, self-sufficient kids all of a sudden.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2013 09:51     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:I am of the camp that thinks the times should remain the same, or perhaps only change by 1/2 hour. These children will be in college, the military, or in the working world soon enough, where no one is going to make the starting time later to give them more sleep. Or should the colleges change their classes to start later, too? After all, kids are in their teens during their first few years of college...



Have you looked at college class schedules lately? How many of the classes start at 7:30 am?
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2013 09:13     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Here's my bet. I think Starr wants it. So he's going to recommend it. Community feedback is meaningless.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2013 09:12     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:Mother of 3 here, 2 who are MCPS graduates. Many of my children's classmates who were in the IB program and other activities (sports, etc.) were often up until midnight or 1 a.m. doing their homework. If the time for those sports is extended until later in the afternoon/evening, that will mean those kids will go do bed even later than they do now, minimizing any extra sleep they would have had by moving the start times later.

I am of the camp that thinks the times should remain the same, or perhaps only change by 1/2 hour. These children will be in college, the military, or in the working world soon enough, where no one is going to make the starting time later to give them more sleep. Or should the colleges change their classes to start later, too? After all, kids are in their teens during their first few years of college...






By that logic, we should make toddlers and preschoolers get with the program too. They will be in elementary school soon enough. Why should they nap? They will be in school for 7 hours a day soon enough, with no nap or snack. They should buck up!

/sarcasm

People in college, the military, the working world are at a completely different developmental stage of life than where a 15yo is. Physiology, anatomy, brain development - all completely different. Therefore there is no reason to push requirements down to people in a stage of life that makes it harder for them to meet them.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2013 09:09     Subject: MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People defending these teens and there need for that extra one hour really think it will work?

They get done an house later, sports start an hour later, they get home at night to start homework an hour later. Guess what???? They will go to bed an hour later.

Stop wasting everyone's time. Stop being a helicopter parent. High school starts early. You knew this years ago before your child entered the school.

STOP COMPLAINING!! You are teaching your kids to be whiny just like you. How about teaching them to suck it up just like they have to do sometimes because that is life.


Do you have a teenager, and are you familiar with the research about the effect of sleep on teens' school achievement and mental health?


I have a 12yr old and a 15yr old and I was once a teen that started HS in PA at 7:10am. Guess what? I survived and so are my girls, but then again they don't have bedrooms that look like dorms with computers, tv's, iphones, etc.. YOU, the parent, knew the start times of your schools when you purchased your house in MoCo. So shut the hell up already. If you don't like it, move to another district or send them to private school but stop expecting tax dollars to get wasted on this prolonged research and then even more in trying to do a change. There is already so little money going back into the schools.

Many poor kids need to work after school
Coaches deserve to get home before 7pm
Many HS teachers prefer driving in less traffic leaving early and coming home early.

It isn't all about you. That is the problem with parents these days. They are so self-absorbed and whiny and now your kids are too.


Actually it is about me. It is about you, me, and other MoCo taxpayers. This is OUR system. We have a say in how it is run.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2013 03:56     Subject: MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People defending these teens and there need for that extra one hour really think it will work?

They get done an house later, sports start an hour later, they get home at night to start homework an hour later. Guess what???? They will go to bed an hour later.

Stop wasting everyone's time. Stop being a helicopter parent. High school starts early. You knew this years ago before your child entered the school.

STOP COMPLAINING!! You are teaching your kids to be whiny just like you. How about teaching them to suck it up just like they have to do sometimes because that is life.


Do you have a teenager, and are you familiar with the research about the effect of sleep on teens' school achievement and mental health?


I have a 12yr old and a 15yr old and I was once a teen that started HS in PA at 7:10am. Guess what? I survived and so are my girls, but then again they don't have bedrooms that look like dorms with computers, tv's, iphones, etc.. YOU, the parent, knew the start times of your schools when you purchased your house in MoCo. So shut the hell up already. If you don't like it, move to another district or send them to private school but stop expecting tax dollars to get wasted on this prolonged research and then even more in trying to do a change. There is already so little money going back into the schools.

Many poor kids need to work after school
Coaches deserve to get home before 7pm
Many HS teachers prefer driving in less traffic leaving early and coming home early.

It isn't all about you. That is the problem with parents these days. They are so self-absorbed and whiny and now your kids are too.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2013 10:37     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

There is no objective reason, besides busing, why HS should start so early, so why torture kids unnecessarily? I have never in my life gotten up before 6:30am, and I don't see why they have to.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2013 21:37     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

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My friend commutes from Derwood to Arlington each day. Her hours are 7 to 3.

Add I have no idea where you teach, but many of my kids work after school to keep food on the table. And getting out later cuts into their work hours.

Anonymous wrote:

Your friend is an idiot. No sympathy for him or her. Live in Derwood, work in Arlington; you get what you deserve!

My students work after school too. Their hours will be adjusted. There's also more who would benefit from the later start time than would not benefit. Common good.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2013 18:43     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

I, too, teach HS. My friend commutes from Derwood to Arlington each day. Her hours are 7 to 3.

There are people who - like us - start work at the ass crack of dawn, dumbo.

I, for one, do not want my elementary school children to come home at 4:30 each day. Now THAT'S ridiculous.

Add I have no idea where you teach, but many of my kids work after school to keep food on the table. And getting out later cuts into their work hours.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I am of the camp that thinks the times should remain the same, or perhaps only change by 1/2 hour. These children will be in college, the military, or in the working world soon enough, where no one is going to make the starting time later to give them more sleep. Or should the colleges change their classes to start later, too? After all, kids are in their teens during their first few years of college...






I don't know where you went to college, but there were absolutely zero classes that started before 8:00 where I went to college. Add on the fact that most freshman and sophomore college students (the ones who are still teens) live pretty close to where their classes are held thus negating the necessity to wake up even earlier to catch a bus. Bottom line...college freshman and sophomores wake up no earlier than 7:30 maybe three mornings a week, which is exactly what a later start time would enable MCPS HS students to do five mornings per week.

How many of us adults have to be at work by 7:25, necessitating a departure time of 6:45 or earlier every morning? I'm betting very few, unless you're a HS teacher like me. the working world argument doesn't hold water either.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2013 18:16     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


As far as adults leaving early for work, do you really think leaving by 6:45 is early? HAHA! I spent many years driving from MD to VA, where I had to be at my desk by 7:30. My DH leaves at 6:15 and some of my neighbors leave at 5:30, to fight the traffic going south to DC or VA. I appreciate the fact that you're an educator, but you aren't going to get much sympathy here for the time you have to go to work.



I was not including people who CHOOSE to live an hour or longer commute away from their work. If you wored in VA, maybe you should have LIVED in VA! Don't complain about your commute when you chose to live far from your job!

I'm not looking for sympathy at all. I CHOSE to be a HS teacher, and with that comes and early work day (we report at 7:00 BTW). Not a problem for me, the adult, but a big problem for my students, the "customers" who had no choice in the matter.

I'd bet the house that the majority of adults don't have to arrive at work until 8:00 or later, so I still contend that your argument holds no water.



PP here. No complaints about the time we leave for work, just stating the facts. And FYI, many of us are contractors and certainly don't move from MD to VA or vice-versa each time we are assigned a new contract. We live where we want and deal with the drive.

I hope you are nicer to the parents of your students than you are on here.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2013 17:44     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:
As far as adults leaving early for work, do you really think leaving by 6:45 is early? HAHA! I spent many years driving from MD to VA, where I had to be at my desk by 7:30. My DH leaves at 6:15 and some of my neighbors leave at 5:30, to fight the traffic going south to DC or VA. I appreciate the fact that you're an educator, but you aren't going to get much sympathy here for the time you have to go to work.


I leave the house to get on the train at 5:30 am. What do you suppose the majority of the people on my train are doing? Yes, they're sleeping. Some of them even bring blankets and pillows.

Now, if your goal is to have teenagers practice for adulthood by getting up at an awful hour to get to school on time, then yes, you're achieving that goal.

But my goal is to have teenagers learn as much as possible in high school. And I don't think that making them get up at 5:30 am helps to achieve that goal.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2013 17:03     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


As far as adults leaving early for work, do you really think leaving by 6:45 is early? HAHA! I spent many years driving from MD to VA, where I had to be at my desk by 7:30. My DH leaves at 6:15 and some of my neighbors leave at 5:30, to fight the traffic going south to DC or VA. I appreciate the fact that you're an educator, but you aren't going to get much sympathy here for the time you have to go to work.



I was not including people who CHOOSE to live an hour or longer commute away from their work. If you wored in VA, maybe you should have LIVED in VA! Don't complain about your commute when you chose to live far from your job!

I'm not looking for sympathy at all. I CHOSE to be a HS teacher, and with that comes and early work day (we report at 7:00 BTW). Not a problem for me, the adult, but a big problem for my students, the "customers" who had no choice in the matter.

I'd bet the house that the majority of adults don't have to arrive at work until 8:00 or later, so I still contend that your argument holds no water.

Anonymous
Post 10/29/2013 19:25     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I am of the camp that thinks the times should remain the same, or perhaps only change by 1/2 hour. These children will be in college, the military, or in the working world soon enough, where no one is going to make the starting time later to give them more sleep. Or should the colleges change their classes to start later, too? After all, kids are in their teens during their first few years of college...






I don't know where you went to college, but there were absolutely zero classes that started before 8:00 where I went to college. Add on the fact that most freshman and sophomore college students (the ones who are still teens) live pretty close to where their classes are held thus negating the necessity to wake up even earlier to catch a bus. Bottom line...college freshman and sophomores wake up no earlier than 7:30 maybe three mornings a week, which is exactly what a later start time would enable MCPS HS students to do five mornings per week.

How many of us adults have to be at work by 7:25, necessitating a departure time of 6:45 or earlier every morning? I'm betting very few, unless you're a HS teacher like me. the working world argument doesn't hold water either.


College kids don't go to bed until 12:30 or 1, or at least my college kids don't, because of all the dorm activity. If they have an 8 am class, they may be getting 6.5-7 hours of sleep a night. How is that much different than MCPS high school students who manage to get to bed by 11 and get up by 6?

The bottom line is that most teens aren't going to get as much sleep as the experts say they should anyway.

As far as adults leaving early for work, do you really think leaving by 6:45 is early? HAHA! I spent many years driving from MD to VA, where I had to be at my desk by 7:30. My DH leaves at 6:15 and some of my neighbors leave at 5:30, to fight the traffic going south to DC or VA. I appreciate the fact that you're an educator, but you aren't going to get much sympathy here for the time you have to go to work.

Anonymous
Post 10/29/2013 17:46     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Anonymous wrote:

I am of the camp that thinks the times should remain the same, or perhaps only change by 1/2 hour. These children will be in college, the military, or in the working world soon enough, where no one is going to make the starting time later to give them more sleep. Or should the colleges change their classes to start later, too? After all, kids are in their teens during their first few years of college...






I don't know where you went to college, but there were absolutely zero classes that started before 8:00 where I went to college. Add on the fact that most freshman and sophomore college students (the ones who are still teens) live pretty close to where their classes are held thus negating the necessity to wake up even earlier to catch a bus. Bottom line...college freshman and sophomores wake up no earlier than 7:30 maybe three mornings a week, which is exactly what a later start time would enable MCPS HS students to do five mornings per week.

How many of us adults have to be at work by 7:25, necessitating a departure time of 6:45 or earlier every morning? I'm betting very few, unless you're a HS teacher like me. the working world argument doesn't hold water either.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2013 16:24     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times

Mother of 3 here, 2 who are MCPS graduates. Many of my children's classmates who were in the IB program and other activities (sports, etc.) were often up until midnight or 1 a.m. doing their homework. If the time for those sports is extended until later in the afternoon/evening, that will mean those kids will go do bed even later than they do now, minimizing any extra sleep they would have had by moving the start times later.

I am of the camp that thinks the times should remain the same, or perhaps only change by 1/2 hour. These children will be in college, the military, or in the working world soon enough, where no one is going to make the starting time later to give them more sleep. Or should the colleges change their classes to start later, too? After all, kids are in their teens during their first few years of college...