Anonymous
08/23/2013 13:04
Subject: Re:NAACP demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown/Obama incident
Anonymous wrote:WHICH conservatives said they would never vote for an AA President? That is a red herring.
Really, you don't know any conservatives who would refuse to vote for a black president? That's not a red herring, that's a fact. I could see if you wanted to debate how many, but dude, please....
Anonymous
08/23/2013 11:37
Subject: Re:NAACP demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown/Obama incident
Anonymous wrote:WHICH conservatives said they would never vote for an AA President? That is a red herring.
Thanks for addressing the rest of my post! LOL! Like I said, I am NOT a liberal but many conservatives seem in denial. Many prominent GOPers realize that they need to freshen up the party and pull their base toward the center.
A red herring? So is saying that "you heard" liberals saying that the ONLY reason they voted for Obama was to make history. I don't care who the GOP or the Dems ran, liberals were not voting GOP - especially after the Tea Party flexed its muscle. But anyways, they had interviews prior to the 2008 election with a number of "grassroots" GOP leader and at least 2-3 of them said it. If I have time, I will try to find the clip for you.
Anonymous
08/23/2013 10:19
Subject: Re:NAACP demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown/Obama incident
WHICH conservatives said they would never vote for an AA President? That is a red herring.
Anonymous
08/23/2013 10:12
Subject: NAACP demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown/Obama incident
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is funny how conservatives and the GOP like to play the race card when it comes to POTUS’ elections. Simply put, if EVERY AA person in the US voted for Obama, he STILL would have needed almost the same percentage of White and Latino votes. And Obama had very similar percentage of the AA vote to the White Democratic candidates that preceded him – his voter turnout was higher. AA’s did not swing the election and while the GOP is stuck on the AA/White company line, they are missing the bigger point. I am no fan of Newt, but he has made some real sense lately. The GOP party line is outdated, is not inclusive and obstructionist. The base of the GOP sold its soul to the Tea Party (and its laughably inconsistent positions) and is now stuck in that a lot of “average” Americans think its policies are not very beneficial to them. If the GOP wants any National success going forward, it has to find a way to appeal to a broader base to understand that the issues have changed since Reagan was POTUS. It’s a different country. Truth be told, the independent Moderates are there for the taking.
Yes, and how many white liberals saw his color as a major reason to vote him in? To tune out what he was actually saying?
White liberals saw McCain and Palin as plenty of reason to vote for him. Do you think a liberal had any other choice????
Yep. But when I hear a number of liberals stating that 'he's the smartest black man' and "I want to see history made", etc, I think logic was thrown aside for emotion. But I've always been pretty pragmatic about such things. History being made was not enough to make me tune out what the man was actually saying.
No one in their right mind could possibly believe that a man could sit in a church for 20 years listening to hateful sermons about white people and believe that the man 'never heard anything like that'. And yet....
I am the prior PP here. So...I guess it is like conservatives in 2008 who publicly said thay they would never vote for a AA as President? For every argument that you make about liberals doing this, there are similar arguments about conservatives doing the same thing. You might want to update that argument and I am NOT a liberal.
At a certain point, the GOP is going to have to stop blaming liberals for it blowing the last 2 POTUS elections. See, playing that type of blame game ignores one basic concept. Liberals would NEVER have voted for Mcain and they certainly would have never voted for Romney so the GOP KNEW that they were a lost cause. But there were PLENTY of independents and moderates who were disillusioned with the Dems (like myself). The Dems outworked the GOP in getting these people in the fold. And I suspect that if the GOP had been able to wrestle its agenda away from the Tea Party Right and had been more to the center, a lot of those people may have flipped. My tip for the GOP in 2016 - focus more on the center.
Anonymous
08/23/2013 07:50
Subject: Re:NAACP demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown/Obama incident
Also, grandmother was a "typical white woman"
Anonymous
08/23/2013 07:44
Subject: NAACP demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown/Obama incident
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is funny how conservatives and the GOP like to play the race card when it comes to POTUS’ elections. Simply put, if EVERY AA person in the US voted for Obama, he STILL would have needed almost the same percentage of White and Latino votes. And Obama had very similar percentage of the AA vote to the White Democratic candidates that preceded him – his voter turnout was higher. AA’s did not swing the election and while the GOP is stuck on the AA/White company line, they are missing the bigger point. I am no fan of Newt, but he has made some real sense lately. The GOP party line is outdated, is not inclusive and obstructionist. The base of the GOP sold its soul to the Tea Party (and its laughably inconsistent positions) and is now stuck in that a lot of “average” Americans think its policies are not very beneficial to them. If the GOP wants any National success going forward, it has to find a way to appeal to a broader base to understand that the issues have changed since Reagan was POTUS. It’s a different country. Truth be told, the independent Moderates are there for the taking.
Yes, and how many white liberals saw his color as a major reason to vote him in? To tune out what he was actually saying?
White liberals saw McCain and Palin as plenty of reason to vote for him. Do you think a liberal had any other choice????
Yep. But when I hear a number of liberals stating that 'he's the smartest black man' and "I want to see history made", etc, I think logic was thrown aside for emotion. But I've always been pretty pragmatic about such things. History being made was not enough to make me tune out what the man was actually saying.
No one in their right mind could possibly believe that a man could sit in a church for 20 years listening to hateful sermons about white people and believe that the man 'never heard anything like that'. And yet....
Anonymous
08/22/2013 22:50
Subject: NAACP demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown/Obama incident
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is funny how conservatives and the GOP like to play the race card when it comes to POTUS’ elections. Simply put, if EVERY AA person in the US voted for Obama, he STILL would have needed almost the same percentage of White and Latino votes. And Obama had very similar percentage of the AA vote to the White Democratic candidates that preceded him – his voter turnout was higher. AA’s did not swing the election and while the GOP is stuck on the AA/White company line, they are missing the bigger point. I am no fan of Newt, but he has made some real sense lately. The GOP party line is outdated, is not inclusive and obstructionist. The base of the GOP sold its soul to the Tea Party (and its laughably inconsistent positions) and is now stuck in that a lot of “average” Americans think its policies are not very beneficial to them. If the GOP wants any National success going forward, it has to find a way to appeal to a broader base to understand that the issues have changed since Reagan was POTUS. It’s a different country. Truth be told, the independent Moderates are there for the taking.
Yes, and how many white liberals saw his color as a major reason to vote him in? To tune out what he was actually saying?
White liberals saw McCain and Palin as plenty of reason to vote for him. Do you think a liberal had any other choice????