Anonymous
02/04/2013 07:11
Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a question for those who believe that prepping is OK--especially those who believe it's actually the *right* thing to do:
Have you shared the fact that you prepped your child with your child's teacher and/or school administration? Your AAP teacher, if your child did get into the center?
If you haven't, why not?
To answer your question. They have not asked, should they do so, I would gladly admit to prep. My child is only in first grade, but I prepped for the NNAT2 - don't have results yet so have no idea what good it may or may not have done. It's not as if you can make them smarter, but you are teaching them basic test taking skills at minimum (eliminate the wrong answers, focus and listen to the directions for each section, make your best guess, etc.) and what to look out for (how they try to trick you if you are not paying attention). What they do with that is up to them. Have you looked at the tests? I think it is unfair to have a kid take those cold turkey. You are just familiarizing them with the format and making them comfortable, all kids should get that. It's not as if you have to "study" for weeks on end forgoing playtime. I have not looked at the CogAT, so maybe that one is different...but I will prep for that next year. Well, if the school won't help them prepare, I will.
There are kids who study for weeks on end, foregoing playtime. Maybe you just reviewed the format, but others do a lot more.
As for all of the "work ethic" posters, I agree to an extent. Where we part company is the kids who have no downtime and are really pressured by their parents. I think if the child then doesn't measure up on the test, it could do some real damage. Modeling and encouraging hard work is a good thing, but it can be taken too far.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 22:02
Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a question for those who believe that prepping is OK--especially those who believe it's actually the *right* thing to do:
Have you shared the fact that you prepped your child with your child's teacher and/or school administration? Your AAP teacher, if your child did get into the center?
If you haven't, why not?
To answer your question. They have not asked, should they do so, I would gladly admit to prep. My child is only in first grade, but I prepped for the NNAT2 - don't have results yet so have no idea what good it may or may not have done. It's not as if you can make them smarter, but you are teaching them basic test taking skills at minimum (eliminate the wrong answers, focus and listen to the directions for each section, make your best guess, etc.) and what to look out for (how they try to trick you if you are not paying attention). What they do with that is up to them. Have you looked at the tests? I think it is unfair to have a kid take those cold turkey. You are just familiarizing them with the format and making them comfortable, all kids should get that. It's not as if you have to "study" for weeks on end forgoing playtime. I have not looked at the CogAT, so maybe that one is different...but I will prep for that next year. Well, if the school won't help them prepare, I will.
Would love for you to post your child's nnat score when you get it to see if it may have helped. Don't mean this snarky...just wondering...
Anonymous
02/03/2013 21:37
Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:I have a question for those who believe that prepping is OK--especially those who believe it's actually the *right* thing to do:
Have you shared the fact that you prepped your child with your child's teacher and/or school administration? Your AAP teacher, if your child did get into the center?
If you haven't, why not?
To answer your question. They have not asked, should they do so, I would gladly admit to prep. My child is only in first grade, but I prepped for the NNAT2 - don't have results yet so have no idea what good it may or may not have done. It's not as if you can make them smarter, but you are teaching them basic test taking skills at minimum (eliminate the wrong answers, focus and listen to the directions for each section, make your best guess, etc.) and what to look out for (how they try to trick you if you are not paying attention). What they do with that is up to them. Have you looked at the tests? I think it is unfair to have a kid take those cold turkey. You are just familiarizing them with the format and making them comfortable, all kids should get that. It's not as if you have to "study" for weeks on end forgoing playtime. I have not looked at the CogAT, so maybe that one is different...but I will prep for that next year. Well, if the school won't help them prepare, I will.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 18:11
Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
+100%
Hard work and academics is not about Scantron bubbles.
At challenging schools (some privates, elite colleges) you may never see standardized tests or multiple choice tests (or fill in the blank). It's about reading, writing, critical thinking and problem solving for all subjects. You will need to show your stuff (work) with logical justifications and proofs (like in the real world).
Hard work and academics is not about Scantron bubbles.
At challenging schools (some privates, elite colleges) you may never see standardized tests or multiple choice tests (or fill in the blank). It's about reading, writing, critical thinking and problem solving for all subjects. You will need to show your stuff (work) with logical justifications and proofs (like in the real world).
Anonymous
02/03/2013 18:05
Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Hahaha! I actually am not a parent whose kid preps.
I have one of those eat a good breakfast (the kid never gets a good nights sleep so we don't even try) 99% type of kids, who generally hits the ceiling on every test he takes, from the SOLs on up to everything else.
Testing is easy for my kid. Easy, easy, easy. As a result, work ethic is lacking.
I would rather have a class full of hard working, prep for everything, studying all the time classmates and their Tiger moms raising the bar and helping my kid to understand that in the long run, it is about the work ethic, not just acing tests over material he either never saw, or only glanced through once.
Those hard working classmates are reaching him in a way that my lectures never had.
And so we are very happy to have them in my kids class.
We are happy too. In my day some kids like this can't respond when the rubber hits the road at higher levels and hard work is demanded in their academic work. They have been deconditioned for years too not working hard and like their skeletal muscle -- the gear is not there because of flab and atrophy.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 18:01
Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:
You're either missing my point or you're ignoring the question.
If it's such a good, necessary thing to prep your kids for these assessment tests, do you share that with your child's teacher? After all, there's nothing wrong with it....right?
New poster. I have and I did. I told my teacher I prepped my child for the subjects and content covered in AAP over the last 4 years. She laughed, and countered. It shows in her performance in her studies and classes.
Yep.
17:45 and 17:55 here.
The kids who have that kind of work ethic are in a league unto themselves.
Like I said, I am glad they are in the class. They make a nice balance to kids like mine, who would daydream and fidget their way through school, checking in now and then to ace a test. The balance of kids who got in through testing and the kids who were placed through hard, hard work and prepping really serves AAP well.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 17:59
Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Hahaha! I actually am not a parent whose kid preps.
I have one of those eat a good breakfast (the kid never gets a good nights sleep so we don't even try) 99% type of kids, who generally hits the ceiling on every test he takes, from the SOLs on up to everything else.
Testing is easy for my kid. Easy, easy, easy. As a result, work ethic is lacking.
I would rather have a class full of hard working, prep for everything, studying all the time classmates and their Tiger moms raising the bar and helping my kid to understand that in the long run, it is about the work ethic, not just acing tests over material he either never saw, or only glanced through once.
Those hard working classmates are reaching him in a way that my lectures never had.
And so we are very happy to have them in my kids class.
We academically prepare our child and he has hit the ceiling on all the standardized tests he has taken...including AAP, Explore, and SCAT. We don't plan on changing a thing with his routine.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 17:56
Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
You're either missing my point or you're ignoring the question.
If it's such a good, necessary thing to prep your kids for these assessment tests, do you share that with your child's teacher? After all, there's nothing wrong with it....right?
New poster. I have and I did. I told my teacher I prepped my child for the subjects and content covered in AAP over the last 4 years. She laughed, and countered. It shows in her performance in her studies and classes.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 17:55
Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:Your refusal to actually answer my question speaks volumes.
Thanks.
Hahaha! I actually am not a parent whose kid preps.
I have one of those eat a good breakfast (the kid never gets a good nights sleep so we don't even try) 99% type of kids, who generally hits the ceiling on every test he takes, from the SOLs on up to everything else.
Testing is easy for my kid. Easy, easy, easy. As a result, work ethic is lacking.
I would rather have a class full of hard working, prep for everything, studying all the time classmates and their Tiger moms raising the bar and helping my kid to understand that in the long run, it is about the work ethic, not just acing tests over material he either never saw, or only glanced through once.
Those hard working classmates are reaching him in a way that my lectures never had.
And so we are very happy to have them in my kids class.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 17:47
Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Your refusal to actually answer my question speaks volumes.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 17:45
Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:You're either missing my point or you're ignoring the question.
If it's such a good, necessary thing to prep your kids for these assessment tests, do you share that with your child's teacher? After all, there's nothing wrong with it....right?
I am sure the teacher doesn't give a flying fig either way.
If the kids is spending all his/her free time on academic pursuits and studying for standardized tests, he/she is probably one heck of a student with impeccable work ethic.
The teachers can probably tell you which kids have the work ethic, driven parents and devotion to prep. That kind of behavior will show up in the classroom, regardless of the ethnic background of the child.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 17:40
Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
You're either missing my point or you're ignoring the question.
If it's such a good, necessary thing to prep your kids for these assessment tests, do you share that with your child's teacher? After all, there's nothing wrong with it....right?
If it's such a good, necessary thing to prep your kids for these assessment tests, do you share that with your child's teacher? After all, there's nothing wrong with it....right?
Anonymous
02/03/2013 17:27
Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
+100%
I don't suffer fools.
Those who don't prepare are simply lazy. They are takers and think they are entitled.
I don't suffer fools.
Those who don't prepare are simply lazy. They are takers and think they are entitled.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 17:23
Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
I wonder how many AAP teachers prep their own children...or do they let nature take its course?
Does the definition of "prepping" differ depending on your SES?
There are a lot of anti-intellectual and hypocritical folk here tell others not to prepare their children for tests or special events -- not the same advise they give to their own children. These idiots think everyone is an idiot like themselves. Who in their right mind would deprive their own children from books, exercises, school, their own knowledge because it may help them develop intellectually and perform well in school and standard and non standard tests.
Only a disingenious fool would suggest prep is cheating. Chance favors the prepared mind.
I would not hire anyone in my enterprise or allow anyone in my classes you did not prepare. The latter will surely earn a big F in my classes.
Does the definition of "prepping" differ depending on your SES?
There are a lot of anti-intellectual and hypocritical folk here tell others not to prepare their children for tests or special events -- not the same advise they give to their own children. These idiots think everyone is an idiot like themselves. Who in their right mind would deprive their own children from books, exercises, school, their own knowledge because it may help them develop intellectually and perform well in school and standard and non standard tests.
Only a disingenious fool would suggest prep is cheating. Chance favors the prepared mind.
I would not hire anyone in my enterprise or allow anyone in my classes you did not prepare. The latter will surely earn a big F in my classes.
Anonymous
02/03/2013 15:53
Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat
Anonymous wrote:I have a question for those who believe that prepping is OK--especially those who believe it's actually the *right* thing to do:
Have you shared the fact that you prepped your child with your child's teacher and/or school administration? Your AAP teacher, if your child did get into the center?
If you haven't, why not?
Meh, let them prep.
Those kids are probably the most prepared for AAP because they are used to working harder than everyone else.