Anonymous
09/18/2012 12:06
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Conservative commentator mentions Romney stepping down would give Repubs the Ryan/Rubio ticket they deserve:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/kristol-lashes-romney-over-arrogant-and-stupid-comments-135842.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/kristol-lashes-romney-over-arrogant-and-stupid-comments-135842.html
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:49
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Stats on who does not pay income tax. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/tax-reality-check/notax.html
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:44
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Exactly. That there is a large segment of committed Democratic voters, a nearly equal segment of committed Republican voters, and the 5% or so of swing voters that Romney referred to, is a common calculation of the political pros. But Romney basically called the Democratic group lazy, irresponsible victims-by-choice, in whom he has no interest.Anonymous wrote:...
So again, while the 47% statement is accurate, what was said after that is where the fuck up happened. Folks want to dance around that in attempts to defend romney and while they are crying about putting the statements in context, they are the ones slicing and dicing the statement to fit their own narrative
Compare this to what Obama said about the committed Republican voters who he so infamously said cling to their guns and religion. Namely that in the circumstances they found themselves, he could understand their reaction, and he was not going to stop working for their votes. Put in context, the statements reveal diametrically opposed facets of the two candidates.
Obama's problem really was an inelegant phrase; Romney's problem is his opinion of those who did not choose parents who would lend them the money to get a good education.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:44
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:This is an edited tape put out by Mother Jones (as far left as anyone is going to get).
The Obama people were whining about the ACORN tape being edited, so let's see them take responsibility for jumping down the Romney campaign's collective throat by going on and on about THIS edited tape.
Waiting.
Waiting.
Crickets.
Um, where have you been. Romney has already agreed that he made the statements and is embracing them. The head of the RNC was stating that he was glad that Romney made those statements and it was about time somebody uttered such thoughts out loud. So, you keep waiting for your crickets.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:43
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What exactly are folks arguing about?
Romney made the statements and his "stast" were accurate.
The problem isnt the stat he laid out or how he's choosing to "ignore" a demographic. Its the fact that he spoke so negatively about them.
For example, Romney could have said that he's not going to win the black vote because they historically go to Dems and he's leaving that alone and stop there. No problem. hes being accurate in that assessment. Nothing to see here.
Now if Romney adds, that blacks will go for Obama/dems because the party promises them a bunch of things that the GOP wont, because they dont think for themselves etc etc, then its bad.
So again, while the 47% statement is accurate, what was said after that is where the fuck up happened. Folks want to dance around that in attempts to defend romney and while they are crying about putting the statements in context, they are the ones slicing and dicing the statement to fit their own narrative
Actually it's not accurate. When he talks about 47% of Americans he is referring to those who do not pay income tax. He says that those same people all vote for Obama. Which is NOT accurate. Democrats and Republicans share the moocher class. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/18/mitt-romney-will-probably-get-95-electoral-votes-from-moocher-states-obama-will-probably-get-5/
Just as each party has loyal voters in the other economic classes as well. As Santorum said, you will never have the smart/elite on your side: http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/freedom-from-facts/#postComment
im not foolish enough to really believe that 47% of people in the group will only vote for obama. all i was talking about was the accuracy of the statement that 47% do not pay income taxes. thats all that is correct. everything else romney said is garbage which is the problem here.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:41
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
jsteele thats what i am saying. the 47% is correct and everything else is what is "offensive" or just plain wrong.
whats annoying is that romney defenders stick to the accuracy of the 47% which is correct and ignore everything else that was said after that. on top of that they argue about taking the statement out of context when in many instances, they are piecing romney;s statement to hold on to their argument about the 47%.
what is even more disturbing is that people either dont know or are ignoring who really make up this 47%. the breakdown of everything else romney claims people in this group are is not accurate either.
whats annoying is that romney defenders stick to the accuracy of the 47% which is correct and ignore everything else that was said after that. on top of that they argue about taking the statement out of context when in many instances, they are piecing romney;s statement to hold on to their argument about the 47%.
what is even more disturbing is that people either dont know or are ignoring who really make up this 47%. the breakdown of everything else romney claims people in this group are is not accurate either.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:40
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:What exactly are folks arguing about?
Romney made the statements and his "stast" were accurate.
The problem isnt the stat he laid out or how he's choosing to "ignore" a demographic. Its the fact that he spoke so negatively about them.
For example, Romney could have said that he's not going to win the black vote because they historically go to Dems and he's leaving that alone and stop there. No problem. hes being accurate in that assessment. Nothing to see here.
Now if Romney adds, that blacks will go for Obama/dems because the party promises them a bunch of things that the GOP wont, because they dont think for themselves etc etc, then its bad.
So again, while the 47% statement is accurate, what was said after that is where the fuck up happened. Folks want to dance around that in attempts to defend romney and while they are crying about putting the statements in context, they are the ones slicing and dicing the statement to fit their own narrative
Actually it's not accurate. When he talks about 47% of Americans he is referring to those who do not pay income tax. He says that those same people all vote for Obama. Which is NOT accurate. Democrats and Republicans share the moocher class. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/18/mitt-romney-will-probably-get-95-electoral-votes-from-moocher-states-obama-will-probably-get-5/
Just as each party has loyal voters in the other economic classes as well. As Santorum said, you will never have the smart/elite on your side: http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/freedom-from-facts/#postComment
jsteele
09/18/2012 11:36
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:What exactly are folks arguing about?
Romney made the statements and his "stast" were accurate.
The problem isnt the stat he laid out or how he's choosing to "ignore" a demographic. Its the fact that he spoke so negatively about them.
For example, Romney could have said that he's not going to win the black vote because they historically go to Dems and he's leaving that alone and stop there. No problem. hes being accurate in that assessment. Nothing to see here.
Now if Romney adds, that blacks will go for Obama/dems because the party promises them a bunch of things that the GOP wont, because they dont think for themselves etc etc, then its bad.
So again, while the 47% statement is accurate, what was said after that is where the fuck up happened. Folks want to dance around that in attempts to defend romney and while they are crying about putting the statements in context, they are the ones slicing and dicing the statement to fit their own narrative
The only part of Romney's statement that is accurate is the narrow point that 47% don't pay Federal income tax. It is not accurate to say that entire group is dependent on the government or sees themselves as victims. It is not accurate to say that they all vote for Obama. The 47% includes the elderly and members of the military, two groups that have plenty of Romney supporters.
It is sort of like saying that 47% of Americans have black hair (I have no idea what the correct percentage is) and that group will never vote for Romney and should be ignored. There is literally no connection between the statistic and the conclusions drawn from it.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:26
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
What exactly are folks arguing about?
Romney made the statements and his "stast" were accurate.
The problem isnt the stat he laid out or how he's choosing to "ignore" a demographic. Its the fact that he spoke so negatively about them.
For example, Romney could have said that he's not going to win the black vote because they historically go to Dems and he's leaving that alone and stop there. No problem. hes being accurate in that assessment. Nothing to see here.
Now if Romney adds, that blacks will go for Obama/dems because the party promises them a bunch of things that the GOP wont, because they dont think for themselves etc etc, then its bad.
So again, while the 47% statement is accurate, what was said after that is where the fuck up happened. Folks want to dance around that in attempts to defend romney and while they are crying about putting the statements in context, they are the ones slicing and dicing the statement to fit their own narrative
Romney made the statements and his "stast" were accurate.
The problem isnt the stat he laid out or how he's choosing to "ignore" a demographic. Its the fact that he spoke so negatively about them.
For example, Romney could have said that he's not going to win the black vote because they historically go to Dems and he's leaving that alone and stop there. No problem. hes being accurate in that assessment. Nothing to see here.
Now if Romney adds, that blacks will go for Obama/dems because the party promises them a bunch of things that the GOP wont, because they dont think for themselves etc etc, then its bad.
So again, while the 47% statement is accurate, what was said after that is where the fuck up happened. Folks want to dance around that in attempts to defend romney and while they are crying about putting the statements in context, they are the ones slicing and dicing the statement to fit their own narrative
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:21
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Once again, I go back to my conspiracy theory - someone is trying very, very hard to make sure Romney loses this election. It's simply not possible that the person the Repubs put up for President is this stupid. Plus the pick of Ryan alienates that critical percent of undecided people, people who voted for BO last time. I am telling you this campaign is a sham. They are putting on a show for the base even as they throw this election.
Finally, someone on this thread who get the real issue here. This leak was clearly an inside job - someone in the inner circle wants to see this man go down. Question is why???? I would not be shocked if the next thing to leak are the tax returns.
Yes! I'm very curious about this! A 50K a plate dinner at a private home. They wanted to keep the location secret to protect the person that leaked it.
Who would be included at such an event and want to expose Romney?
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:19
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Wait a second, Romney was talking about Americans being dependent on government and he didn't mean investment bankers? Now I am confused.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:19
Subject: Re:Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:The country as a whole suffers when people lack basic things like food, shelter, access to a decent education. It's a fantasy to think you can live in a bubble shut off from people in your community, and that their lack of basic necessities doesn't affect you.
Yes comrade mother russia will take of all.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:17
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:Once again, I go back to my conspiracy theory - someone is trying very, very hard to make sure Romney loses this election. It's simply not possible that the person the Repubs put up for President is this stupid. Plus the pick of Ryan alienates that critical percent of undecided people, people who voted for BO last time. I am telling you this campaign is a sham. They are putting on a show for the base even as they throw this election.
Finally, someone on this thread who get the real issue here. This leak was clearly an inside job - someone in the inner circle wants to see this man go down. Question is why???? I would not be shocked if the next thing to leak are the tax returns.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:15
Subject: Re:Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:Romney's math doesnt add up.
If almost 50% of people will automatically vote for obama (ignoring the fact that this is just people not registered voters), obama just has to get 1 person from the other 50% to vote for him to win.
Seeing that Obama has fundraisers with many rich people who pay taxes and are not part of the first 50%, I dont think that its that hard.
Thats just purely speaking on the math aspect of it all.
Well, except we elect the president with electoral votes, not a popular vote, which would make a difference in the math, right? (not being snarky)
Maybe not so much but I get your where you are going.
Anonymous
09/18/2012 11:08
Subject: Romney: Obama voters dependent on government, entitled, don't pay taxes
Anonymous wrote:You do realize though that Mitt himself doesn't dispute the contents of the tape or his statements, right?
He simply said something along the lines that it could have been more eloquent.
He did say that he'd like the whole tape released so the full context would be clear.
But, I agree, there's not a lot of wiggle room here in "context". He said it, he meant it.