. I'm also not unreasonably insisting that others completely adjust how they act, just to avoid any discomfort. I've made clear several times on this thread that if people want to recline slightly in a gentle way, I've got no problem with that. It's people who recline far back, and especially those who do it suddenly without checking behind them first, that bother me.

NP here - this is kinda reasonable (not totally, but whatever) - I think the problem people have with you is your juvenile and passive aggressive way of dealing with someone who dares to recline all the way without your pre-approval (assuming you're the nitwit who advocates harrassing other passengers to get your way). Any moral high ground you might believe you occupy evaporates when you take that approach.

Sitting fully upright on an airplane makes my back hurt by the end of the flight. Why should I be uncomfortable so you can be more comfortable? That doesn't make any sense. If it were a matter of safety it would be different, but you are claiming your comfort trumps mine. I disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:It is kind of like if you were short and going to movies/shows/concerts. Rows of tall people in front of you obstructing your view. Do you think everyone should crouch way down in their seats in order to be considerate of your lack of height. That they should make themselves uncomfortable and put themselves out so that you are as comfortable as possible. Would you call them rude and get mad that they didn't slouch way down.

I don't think your movie theater analogy fits very well. ...

And why exactly doesn't the analogy fit well? I think it is perfect, and that you ignore it in order to avoid, once more, the discomfort you lead yourself into?

Really? OK, here are some examples of why that analogy stinks ...

1. A short person in a movie theater can choose to sit in any open seat. If she is concerned about the view, she can change seats at any time to improve her view. My ability to change my plane seat is limited by (a) my bank account, and (b) availability. And on most flights, I cannot change seats to get away from a recliner.

2. I'm not asking "everyone" or "rows of people" to change how they sit just for me. I'm asking just the one person in front of me.

3. I'm not asking the person in front of me contort herself, or "crouch way down in her seat," or "put herself out," or "slouch way down." Sitting upright is how we begin the flight and how we end it. And at least on the flights I'm on, It's also how most seasoned travelers choose to sit for the entire flight. Are you really suggesting that it's unreasonable to be prevented from reclining your airplane seat all the way back?

4. I'm also not unreasonably insisting that others completely adjust how they act, just to avoid any discomfort. I've made clear several times on this thread that if people want to recline slightly in a gentle way, I've got no problem with that. It's people who recline far back, and especially those who do it suddenly without checking behind them first, that bother me.

There are probably other problems with it, but those are the ones that immediately jump out.

At this point, I think you're just fucking with me, so I'll sign off. Have a good night.

My boys are fine. One drink per week. Unless you are reclining this week on a plane, make your martini!!!

Anonymous wrote:Again, you guys need to relax and have a drink. Mom of tall boys here again. It's Friday. I hate recliners, too, but martinis help!

But I'm pregnant. My midwives said an occasional drink is ok, but I don't want to set off another shitstorm...

Wow, so opposable thumbs is NOT the only thing separating us from animals. It is our blatant lack of consideration and feigned ignorance of our outright spiteful behavior that is somehow more acceptable these days? Really? Are you people proud of not having parents? Ew.

Again, you guys need to relax and have a drink. Mom of tall boys here again. It's Friday. I hate recliners, too, but martinis help!

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Anonymous wrote:It is kind of like if you were short and going to movies/shows/concerts. Rows of tall people in front of you obstructing your view. Do you think everyone should crouch way down in their seats in order to be considerate of your lack of height. That they should make themselves uncomfortable and put themselves out so that you are as comfortable as possible. Would you call them rude and get mad that they didn't slouch way down.

Different things are awkward for tall, short, thin, fat..it is the reality of life. you can't expect everyone else's world to revolve around what makes you the most comfortable.

6'5" back again. I don't think your movie theater analogy fits very well. But I completely agree with your final point: "you can't expect everyone else's world to revolve around what makes you the most comfortable." And that's exactly the message I think recliners should understand.

Perhaps reclining your seat makes you more comfortable. If you'd like to recline, please be polite enough to check behind you first, and let me know what you're about to do. And if you recline just a little, and do it in a gentle way, we won't have any problems. But if I'm the one behind you, you can't expect everyone else's world to revolve around what makes you most comfortable.

If you recline your seat all the way back, and particularly if you do it unexpectedly and forcefully, you are physically hurting me. If you insist on making my flight miserable to benefit your own comfort, know that I will retaliate by making your flight miserable as well.

And why exactly doesn't the analogy fit well? I think it is perfect, and that you ignore it in order to avoid, once more, the discomfort you lead yourself into?

As a frequent traveler, I do find it very rude/mindless when people seated in front of me fully recline. Especially if I'm working on my laptop. Unless you are a long-haul flight - then it's more reasonable to do if you are resting. But please pull forward for meals, etc.

Anonymous wrote:It is kind of like if you were short and going to movies/shows/concerts. Rows of tall people in front of you obstructing your view. Do you think everyone should crouch way down in their seats in order to be considerate of your lack of height. That they should make themselves uncomfortable and put themselves out so that you are as comfortable as possible. Would you call them rude and get mad that they didn't slouch way down.

Different things are awkward for tall, short, thin, fat..it is the reality of life. you can't expect everyone else's world to revolve around what makes you the most comfortable.

6'5" back again. I don't think your movie theater analogy fits very well. But I completely agree with your final point: "you can't expect everyone else's world to revolve around what makes you the most comfortable." And that's exactly the message I think recliners should understand.

Perhaps reclining your seat makes you more comfortable. If you'd like to recline, please be polite enough to check behind you first, and let me know what you're about to do. And if you recline just a little, and do it in a gentle way, we won't have any problems. But if I'm the one behind you, you can't expect everyone else's world to revolve around what makes you most comfortable.

If you recline your seat all the way back, and particularly if you do it unexpectedly and forcefully, you are physically hurting me. If you insist on making my flight miserable to benefit your own comfort, know that I will retaliate by making your flight miserable as well.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread makes me laugh. Wow people are uptight! So uptight they have to sit upright to show the world how awesome they are. Look me at me being uncomfortable because I am such a good person!!

What kind of weird body shapes do you have that the seats are crushing your faces and touching your laps when they are reclined?

I'm 6'5". In regular coach seating, even when the seat in front of me is fully upright, my knees are pressed against the seatback. Try as I might, my thighbones simply won't get any shorter. Every inch you recline pushes my knees another inch into your seatback. You should be thankful you're so petite.

If you're nice to me, I'll help you get your bag down from the overhead.

Isn't it self evident you shouldn't be there? When you rent a car do you also choose the smallest model where you don't fit, and then expect everyone else in the road to drive slowly to accommodate your difficult driving?

So what, now tall people shouldn't fly coach?

It is kind of like if you were short and going to movies/shows/concerts. Rows of tall people in front of you obstructing your view. Do you think everyone should crouch way down in their seats in order to be considerate of your lack of height. That they should make themselves uncomfortable and put themselves out so that you are as comfortable as possible. Would you call them rude and get mad that they didn't slouch way down.

Different things are awkward for tall, short, thin, fat..it is the reality of life. you can't expect everyone else's world to revolve around what makes you the most comfortable.

Actually, that's another pet peeve of mine - adults who purposely sit directly in front of my small child in a movie theater. I always check behind us before sitting down and do everything possible not to block the view of a small child. It's called being considerate.

I understand the pain, but why would you say "purposefully"? Do you truly believe their main intent is to block your children? Please you could say "mindless"

Cheers 17:08..
Thank you. We don't need a travel agent.

Anonymous wrote:The marine in my lap turned into a love affair for four years. Relax everyone! I also have two sons who are 6'3" and 6'5" - we just deal with recliners by standing up and politely saying "please don't recline." Works every time. When we can afford to fly first class, we do, but we can't always do that.

Sorry the marine left you, and life is not the same since. You realize that there are options for your sons between coach and first class, correct?

The marine in my lap turned into a love affair for four years. Relax everyone! I also have two sons who are 6'3" and 6'5" - we just deal with recliners by standing up and politely saying "please don't recline." Works every time. When we can afford to fly first class, we do, but we can't always do that.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread makes me laugh. Wow people are uptight! So uptight they have to sit upright to show the world how awesome they are. Look me at me being uncomfortable because I am such a good person!!

What kind of weird body shapes do you have that the seats are crushing your faces and touching your laps when they are reclined?

I'm 6'5". In regular coach seating, even when the seat in front of me is fully upright, my knees are pressed against the seatback. Try as I might, my thighbones simply won't get any shorter. Every inch you recline pushes my knees another inch into your seatback. You should be thankful you're so petite.

If you're nice to me, I'll help you get your bag down from the overhead.

Isn't it self evident you shouldn't be there? When you rent a car do you also choose the smallest model where you don't fit, and then expect everyone else in the road to drive slowly to accommodate your difficult driving?

So what, now tall people shouldn't fly coach?

It is kind of like if you were short and going to movies/shows/concerts. Rows of tall people in front of you obstructing your view. Do you think everyone should crouch way down in their seats in order to be considerate of your lack of height. That they should make themselves uncomfortable and put themselves out so that you are as comfortable as possible. Would you call them rude and get mad that they didn't slouch way down.

Different things are awkward for tall, short, thin, fat..it is the reality of life. you can't expect everyone else's world to revolve around what makes you the most comfortable.

Actually, that's another pet peeve of mine - adults who purposely sit directly in front of my small child in a movie theater. I always check behind us before sitting down and do everything possible not to block the view of a small child. It's called being considerate.