Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 21:02     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

No one is castigating those who prefer the mind over physical pursuits, just pointing out that one can excel at both intellectual and physical pursuits without having to choose one in preference to the other. As pointed out earlier in the thread, lots of TJ students are also excellent athletes. Check out http://www.colonialathletics.org/ and see.


I am agreeing with you. I am aware many recent immigrants are cracker jack smart and fine and dedicated musicians and athletes. check out the area swimming pools, tennis and squash clubs, and soccer clubs.


Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 20:58     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
But, these kids are pursuing sports in addition to school, not just doing more school after spending all day in school. They are engaged in healthy activities that teach them many lessons that cannot be learned from a book. Many excellent athletes are also excellent students because they are intelligent and because of the discipline, perseverance, and ability to work hard and efficiently that they have learned because of their participation in sports.

Spending time in athletic activity is not instead of school, it is in addition to school, thus helping young people to develop more facets of their characters for their future adult lives.



I have no problem with kids who prefer predominantly intellectual, academic and creative pursuits. I have met many with outstanding characters for a lifetime. I have met my enough adult lacrosse character misfits to last a lifetime. I am sure there are some fine characters in the latter pool also. I'm not naive to castigate all those who prefer matters of the mind over physical pursuits.


No one is castigating those who prefer the mind over physical pursuits, just pointing out that one can excel at both intellectual and physical pursuits without having to choose one in preference to the other. As pointed out earlier in the thread, lots of TJ students are also excellent athletes. Check out http://www.colonialathletics.org/ and see.


In theory, yes. But, given the limited amount of time the kids have, I fail to see how most of them can strive for excellence in both areas. I have two kids at TJ. Yes, many of TJ kids are involved in sports, but I would not refer to them as excellent athletes.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 20:18     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
But, these kids are pursuing sports in addition to school, not just doing more school after spending all day in school. They are engaged in healthy activities that teach them many lessons that cannot be learned from a book. Many excellent athletes are also excellent students because they are intelligent and because of the discipline, perseverance, and ability to work hard and efficiently that they have learned because of their participation in sports.

Spending time in athletic activity is not instead of school, it is in addition to school, thus helping young people to develop more facets of their characters for their future adult lives.



I have no problem with kids who prefer predominantly intellectual, academic and creative pursuits. I have met many with outstanding characters for a lifetime. I have met my enough adult lacrosse character misfits to last a lifetime. I am sure there are some fine characters in the latter pool also. I'm not naive to castigate all those who prefer matters of the mind over physical pursuits.


No one is castigating those who prefer the mind over physical pursuits, just pointing out that one can excel at both intellectual and physical pursuits without having to choose one in preference to the other. As pointed out earlier in the thread, lots of TJ students are also excellent athletes. Check out http://www.colonialathletics.org/ and see.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 20:11     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
But, these kids are pursuing sports in addition to school, not just doing more school after spending all day in school. They are engaged in healthy activities that teach them many lessons that cannot be learned from a book. Many excellent athletes are also excellent students because they are intelligent and because of the discipline, perseverance, and ability to work hard and efficiently that they have learned because of their participation in sports.

Spending time in athletic activity is not instead of school, it is in addition to school, thus helping young people to develop more facets of their characters for their future adult lives.


Sounds like Harvard's Jeremy Lin now playing in the NBA.



Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 19:53     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You know, being a nerd in high school does not translate to low EQ. Usually the kids that work hard in high school are late bloomers. The slackers with "high EQ" won't go anywhere in life. I'm sure all the successful "white" men in high level positions that you know worked there way to get there.

Interesting enough.. when all the big law firms had their huge layoffs a few years ago, my husband was one of the last to survive in his class. We are minority. Many tall white guys were cut... so yes, smarts do matter.


Or maybe the firms feared a discrimination suit from your husband and weren't so worried about the white guys.


For some reason, I really doubt that. Don't worry there were plenty of minorities laid off too.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 19:50     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

But, these kids are pursuing sports in addition to school, not just doing more school after spending all day in school. They are engaged in healthy activities that teach them many lessons that cannot be learned from a book. Many excellent athletes are also excellent students because they are intelligent and because of the discipline, perseverance, and ability to work hard and efficiently that they have learned because of their participation in sports.

Spending time in athletic activity is not instead of school, it is in addition to school, thus helping young people to develop more facets of their characters for their future adult lives.



I have no problem with kids who prefer predominantly intellectual, academic and creative pursuits. I have met many with outstanding characters for a lifetime. I have met my enough adult lacrosse character misfits to last a lifetime. I am sure there are some fine characters in the latter pool also. I'm not naive to castigate all those who prefer matters of the mind over physical pursuits.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 19:43     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

But, these kids are pursuing sports in addition to school, not just doing more school after spending all day in school. They are engaged in healthy activities that teach them many lessons that cannot be learned from a book. Many excellent athletes are also excellent students because they are intelligent and because of the discipline, perseverance, and ability to work hard and efficiently that they have learned because of their participation in sports.

Spending time in athletic activity is not instead of school, it is in addition to school, thus helping young people to develop more facets of their characters for their future adult lives.


Sounds like Harvard's Jeremy Lin now playing in the NBA.

Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 19:13     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
For many here pushing hard and doing more than the minimum required is only justified for lacrosse, soccer, swimming and tennis; and not math, reading, and writing.


I couldn't agree more with this observation. So many families we know lavish untold amounts of time and resources on sports, often for kids who have no hope of playing in high school much less college, and put just as much pressure on their kids as any Tiger Mom.


But, these kids are pursuing sports in addition to school, not just doing more school after spending all day in school. They are engaged in healthy activities that teach them many lessons that cannot be learned from a book. Many excellent athletes are also excellent students because they are intelligent and because of the discipline, perseverance, and ability to work hard and efficiently that they have learned because of their participation in sports.

Spending time in athletic activity is not instead of school, it is in addition to school, thus helping young people to develop more facets of their characters for their future adult lives.


Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 18:31     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
There are frequent audits. But since most of the crap on this board is just plain false not much happens.

Almost all the asians (mostly Korean and Indian) are born & raised here. They do culturally value education above all else and it shows on the standardized tests. As a pink guy I'll push my kids to do more rather than knock others down for trying too hard. Really, what's so bad about studying hard and doing more than the minimum required?


For many here pushing hard and doing more than the minimum required is only justified for lacrosse, soccer, swimming and tennis; and not math, reading, and writing.


I couldn't agree more with this observation. So many families we know lavish untold amounts of time and resources on sports, often for kids who have no hope of playing in high school much less college, and put just as much pressure on their kids as any Tiger Mom.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 17:46     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
You know, being a nerd in high school does not translate to low EQ. Usually the kids that work hard in high school are late bloomers. The slackers with "high EQ" won't go anywhere in life. I'm sure all the successful "white" men in high level positions that you know worked there way to get there.

Interesting enough.. when all the big law firms had their huge layoffs a few years ago, my husband was one of the last to survive in his class. We are minority. Many tall white guys were cut... so yes, smarts do matter.


Or maybe the firms feared a discrimination suit from your husband and weren't so worried about the white guys.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 16:55     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Almost all the asians (mostly Korean and Indian) are born & raised here.


source?


My kids are Asian sometimes (they're mixed) they were born & raised here. Most of their friends are Asian and all are born here. I don't know if the publish birth places anywhere but the majority of the minority that's in the majority in TJ is born here I'm sure.

To the complainers: What is your solution? Limit yellow people? Quotas? Eliminate the merit based tests and give it to the politically correct class?


Sometimes? What are they the rest of the time?


They are mixed all the time. The authorities often don't like that so we have to pick one of the others and make them fit into some bureaucrats nice little box so sometimes we pick white (they are 50%) and sometimes we pick Asian (they are 50%). Is that OK with you?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 16:24     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Almost all the asians (mostly Korean and Indian) are born & raised here.


source?


My kids are Asian sometimes (they're mixed) they were born & raised here. Most of their friends are Asian and all are born here. I don't know if the publish birth places anywhere but the majority of the minority that's in the majority in TJ is born here I'm sure.

To the complainers: What is your solution? Limit yellow people? Quotas? Eliminate the merit based tests and give it to the politically correct class?


Sometimes? What are they the rest of the time?


It would be good to not be Asian when applying to college. Good that they have that choice to identify as the other race.


I wish my kids had that option...
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 16:17     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Almost all the asians (mostly Korean and Indian) are born & raised here.


source?


My kids are Asian sometimes (they're mixed) they were born & raised here. Most of their friends are Asian and all are born here. I don't know if the publish birth places anywhere but the majority of the minority that's in the majority in TJ is born here I'm sure.

To the complainers: What is your solution? Limit yellow people? Quotas? Eliminate the merit based tests and give it to the politically correct class?


Sometimes? What are they the rest of the time?


It would be good to not be Asian when applying to college. Good that they have that choice to identify as the other race.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 16:13     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Almost all the asians (mostly Korean and Indian) are born & raised here.


source?


My kids are Asian sometimes (they're mixed) they were born & raised here. Most of their friends are Asian and all are born here. I don't know if the publish birth places anywhere but the majority of the minority that's in the majority in TJ is born here I'm sure.

To the complainers: What is your solution? Limit yellow people? Quotas? Eliminate the merit based tests and give it to the politically correct class?


Sometimes? What are they the rest of the time?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2012 16:12     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Two Wongs don't make it right, PP!


haha. you all are too funny.
as a non-asian, i'd rather have my sons be the nerd in high school. all the popular (and mostly white kids) became unrecognizable when we had reunions during college - overweight from too much beer.. also balding early. and all the girls became wrinkly and old fast too. there's something to be said about hard work paying off in the end. it's the nerds that are successsful now with beautiful families. i'm making broad generalizations here, but if i had a choice, being a nerd is better.



Really? Because the most successful people I know have both high IQ and EQ, not one more dominant than the other. In fact a lot of successful people at work are average or a little above average intelligence with high EQ and social skills. The ones with mostly high IQ and low or seemingly non-existent EQ are in a career rut; they have gone as high as their IQ has allowed but do not seem to be able to achieve anything more.


You know, being a nerd in high school does not translate to low EQ. Usually the kids that work hard in high school are late bloomers. The slackers with "high EQ" won't go anywhere in life. I'm sure all the successful "white" men in high level positions that you know worked there way to get there.

Interesting enough.. when all the big law firms had their huge layoffs a few years ago, my husband was one of the last to survive in his class. We are minority. Many tall white guys were cut... so yes, smarts do matter.