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Anonymous wrote:Yes, exactly. The PP who is saying we don't know what happened is either an idiot or trying to incite debate. Nothing would have happened if Zimmerman had followed police instructions.

New poster here. She is not either of those things. What she is tryingt o say (and hopefully I do a better job of it) is that, in our justice system, the jury will hear testimony about various things in this case. There will be the initial 911 call. There will be testimony from the police officer, and the medical examiner, and some or all of the people who called 911 to report the fight and others who may have overheard it or seen it.

Out the facts will come, bit by bit, and the jury mus decide what is true and what isn't. We do not yet know all fot he facts that will be presented to the jury. We do not know, for example, if all of the witnesses said the kid was beating the crap out of GZ and saying that he was going to kill him (seems unlikely, but we don't know). We also don't know whether GZ yelled during the fight, "I am going to take care of your sorry N***** a**." We don't know that, either.

Too often, people make up their minds without all of the facts.

In a case like this, to me it certainly looks exactly like what many PPs are suggesting is true. We ultimately won't know for sure. There are many sides to the truth. There isn't just one truth. People's perceptions are shaded by their own experiences and also by their involvement in the situaiton. You may have two witnesses to the exact same fight, and one says GZ sounded angry and confrontational and the other one saying he sounded nice. One isn't necessarily lying. I think of it sort of like nstant replays. SOmetimes you need all the camera angles, and even then it isn't always clear.

Ultiamtely, what matters is that the police should be investigating this thoroguhlty and they should arrest this guy if they have grounds to do so. It's hard to see why they don't. But we don't know what's on the 911 tape and we also don't know what the witnesses said. There could deifntiely be some things on that tape that would warrant a DOJ investigation into the failure to arrest or there could be some other factor (like it turns out Mr. Criminal Justice Major did an internship at the PD or osmething).

We don't know now where this will go, although from where I sit it's pretty hard to see how there could be any angle but the obvious one. I, however, do not get to make any decisions here since I am not the FL police or prosecutor, and I will not be eligible to serve on a FL jury.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, exactly. The PP who is saying we don't know what happened is either an idiot or trying to incite debate. Nothing would have happened if Zimmerman had followed police instructions.

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Anonymous wrote:Also:

George Zimmerman was arrested for violence before:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1335984.html

If this is true and police told the family that Zimmerman had a "squeaky clean" record, this is even more despicable. If true, this really is outrageous.

Anonymous wrote:Also:

George Zimmerman was arrested for violence before:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1335984.html

Anonymous wrote:21:05/21:14,

I agree with you 100%.

I'm the one who posted about "street justice". I clarified this later. I was talking about the father of the teen. I was a bit angry at the time and was explaining (badly) that if this were my child and the killer got away, I would seek my own justice. Yes, it's bad. No, it's not condoned/encouraged. No it won't bring my child back. But I would not be able to live with myself if I did not get to this guy.

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History does prove that many young black men were senselessly murdered by racist white men (who were never punished). The black American psyche still has not recovered, and probably never will. Especially given that many black people in this country lived under Jim Crow and lived with the atrocities that whites in America inflicted upon blacks. You expect people to be able to get over that and pretend that we now live in a post-racial world where this was not racially motivated? Get real. My grandmother is 90 and still shakes when she sees policemen because she remembers her father being dragged out of their home on the Eastern Shore of MD and beaten almost to death by the local police chief and his deputy in 1930 when she was 6 years old. His offense? Selling more pigs than a neighboring white farmer. They also shot all of his livestock. Most white people do not believe me when I tell this story. No wonder I am an angry black woman.

Given the facts available in this situation, it is not a leap to conjecture that Zimmerman's zeal to follow Martin was racially motivated and that he chose to shoot him because that same prejudice that led him to follow Martin also led him to believe that Martin was dangerous.

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In 1974, I witnessed the Prince Georges County police beat my uncle in the head until my uncle was bent face down on the ground. My uncle had recently returned from during a tour of duty in Korea. My uncle's crime was mistaken identity. Fuck that bitch who said that because something that systematically happened to black men time after time is a false leap of assumption that the present murder was not racially motivated