Anonymous wrote:bizarre
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost?
Which one did the conceiving, which provided the sperm, and which one is the helpless newborn baby? And one of them would need to be the submissive wife

You are very ill-informed. I wonder, do you feel as free criticizing other religious you know nothing about?

In some closed Hasidic societies, you really do not want to get caught eating pork
But I have heard that even among those, they do not care that much about what is in someone elses refridgerator

And it is not nearly the same, your diet and family size are totally different things

15:59, also should add, this seems to be an issue that effects women mostly..and how they have control or lack of control over their bodies and reproduction. I don't think pork-eating measures up as a good analogy.

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of the anti-catholics on this board. I guarantee you that if someone started a post that asked "Are you Jewish, do you eat pork?" people would be up in arms. We get it already, you don't like catholics.

I don't believe most Jewish people would be excluded from normal religious rituals because of their pork-eating..or am I wrong?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, churches teaching about procreation
Jesus did not talk about that, neither did apostle Paul
Either way, the churches teaching is that the Pope cannot make a mistake and that is why they have added this new doctrine into the bible
It is all about making women feel guilty.

St Mary is still the saint she was to women before the days of contraception
We all still pray:
You who were able to conceive without sin, help us to sin without conceiving

Look, I disagree with the Church's position on contraception, but your bolded statement simply is not true. Read more about infallibility first.

I'm not the earlier poster. But:

1. The Church's infallibility doctrine is about as convoluted a concept as one can imagine. You have to admit, even many believers shake their heads at it.
2. The Church has issued statements that it considers infallible, without invoking infallibility. See women in the priesthood, where they dodge infallibility but claim that it is an unerring position.
3. Regarding contraception, Humanae Vitae was in its own words written to correct a commissions' prior work because it was not "definitive and absolutely certain". While it does not say it is infallible, for all intents and purposes it is treated that way by the Church.

So while the doctrine says that the Pope can make a mistake, it does not appear that the Church admits that it is fallible on the major pronouncements related to marriage, gender, and babies.

PP What is your point? Nobody has said you are going anywhere
Majority of bibles books were written by men, majority of priests are men
The money a woman earns is OK for these institutions. But a woman who thinks she has say in the matter in how the funds are spent is quickly told to shut up

Anonymous wrote:Catholic church has not historically been nice to women
Women were burnt as witches
Women were hoarded into Magdalene laundries in Ireland

Wherever they go, religion is about men

Why so many women followers then?

I just wouldn't want to live my life thinking that I am bad, I am a sinner, I am less than, I am going to hell for not following all the rules a man, men have created.

I am trying to be open minded, but it truly puzzles me.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, churches teaching about procreation
Jesus did not talk about that, neither did apostle Paul
Either way, the churches teaching is that the Pope cannot make a mistake and that is why they have added this new doctrine into the bible
It is all about making women feel guilty.

St Mary is still the saint she was to women before the days of contraception
We all still pray:
You who were able to conceive without sin, help us to sin without conceiving

Look, I disagree with the Church's position on contraception, but your bolded statement simply is not true. Read more about infallibility first.