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RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

This is just dumb, and it just makes you look like a douchebag.

I disagree. I think s/he makes a very good point.

Sure you do, sock puppet.

That wasn't a sock puppet! Thanks to whoever said I made a good point!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

This is just dumb, and it just makes you look like a douchebag.

But... but... it is our deeply held religious belief, that children should work alongside their parents in the factories. We're not asking YOU to put YOUR kids in factories, just saying that the government needs to respect OUR right to live by our beliefs.

See how it works? Religious freedom trumps everything else the country may think is important.

There is a difference between using religious beliefs to exempt yourself from the laws (e.g., we should be allowed to smoke peyote b/c of our religion; we should be able to have our kids work because of our religion) and the govt FORCING you to do something that is against your religious beliefs (e.g., distribute/pay for birth contol). In your analogy the govt is NOT ALLOWING individuals to do something, while with respect to the HHS mandate the govt is FORCING individuals to do something. So your analogy breaks down, at least under current first amendment jurisprudence.

Employers of my religion should not be FORCED by the government to remove 8 year olds from factories and send them to school, because letting kids not work and go to school is against our religious beliefs. The federal government should not force us to do something with our kids that violates our religious beliefs.

Anonymous wrote:The religion argument will not matter if the bill working it's way through congress is passed. It will allow employers to refuse to cover anything they find morally disagreeable...

Basically what we will need, then, is no more emplolyer sponsored health care. We will need a whole new approach. Like the employer gives you x dollars and you buy what you want.

There is a difference between using religious beliefs to exempt yourself from the laws (e.g., we should be allowed to smoke peyote b/c of our religion; we should be able to have our kids work because of our religion) and the govt FORCING you to do something that is against your religious beliefs (e.g., distribute/pay for birth contol). In your analogy the govt is NOT ALLOWING individuals to do something, while with respect to the HHS mandate the govt is FORCING individuals to do something. So your analogy breaks down, at least under current first amendment jurisprudence.

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What about muslim women who want the freedom to go through security in burqas? Wnat their face to be covered in driver's license photos. Don't want to unveil when they testify in court. It's part of their religion. We are forcing them to show us their faces. Do you think they should be free to be veiled always?

Your freedom, religious or otherwise, ends where someone else's freedom begins.

You are free to not take birth control as a matter of conscience. The govt can't force you to take it.

You are not free to interefere with the birth control choices of others. Cherry picking what is and is not offered as a matter of health care is de facto interfering with those choices.

When one individual is put in a position of power over another - say in a workplace - we cannot allow the more powerful individual to allow their religion to interfere in the freedoms of their employees.

You are free to persuade, bemoan, preach, and otherwise try to convince people that your birth control stance is the correct one. Thus ensuring that, due to the rightness of your argument, that no one will actually consume said BC offered on the plan.

A law should be passed requiring the catholic church to test all members for contraception.

The religion argument will not matter if the bill working it's way through congress is passed. It will allow employers to refuse to cover anything they find morally disagreeable...

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

This is just dumb, and it just makes you look like a douchebag.

But... but... it is our deeply held religious belief, that children should work alongside their parents in the factories. We're not asking YOU to put YOUR kids in factories, just saying that the government needs to respect OUR right to live by our beliefs.

See how it works? Religious freedom trumps everything else the country may think is important.

There is a difference between using religious beliefs to exempt yourself from the laws (e.g., we should be allowed to smoke peyote b/c of our religion; we should be able to have our kids work because of our religion) and the govt FORCING you to do something that is against your religious beliefs (e.g., distribute/pay for birth contol). In your analogy the govt is NOT ALLOWING individuals to do something, while with respect to the HHS mandate the govt is FORCING individuals to do something. So your analogy breaks down, at least under current first amendment jurisprudence.

So what about the interracial couple? See, in my religion, black people and white people shouldn't marry. Or converse. Or interact. So I simply will not allow black people in my hotel. If you don't like it, don't stay in my hotel. I mean, the gov't can't go FORCING me to rent rooms to black customers.

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Anonymous wrote:

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

This is just dumb, and it just makes you look like a douchebag.

I disagree. I think s/he makes a very good point.

Sure you do, sock puppet.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

This is just dumb, and it just makes you look like a douchebag.

But... but... it is our deeply held religious belief, that children should work alongside their parents in the factories. We're not asking YOU to put YOUR kids in factories, just saying that the government needs to respect OUR right to live by our beliefs.

See how it works? Religious freedom trumps everything else the country may think is important.

There is a difference between using religious beliefs to exempt yourself from the laws (e.g., we should be allowed to smoke peyote b/c of our religion; we should be able to have our kids work because of our religion) and the govt FORCING you to do something that is against your religious beliefs (e.g., distribute/pay for birth contol). In your analogy the govt is NOT ALLOWING individuals to do something, while with respect to the HHS mandate the govt is FORCING individuals to do something. So your analogy breaks down, at least under current first amendment jurisprudence.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

This is just dumb, and it just makes you look like a douchebag.

But... but... it is our deeply held religious belief, that children should work alongside their parents in the factories. We're not asking YOU to put YOUR kids in factories, just saying that the government needs to respect OUR right to live by our beliefs.

See how it works? Religious freedom trumps everything else the country may think is important.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

This is just dumb, and it just makes you look like a douchebag.

I disagree. I think s/he makes a very good point.

Anonymous wrote:

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

This is just dumb, and it just makes you look like a douchebag.

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Anonymous wrote:Catholics believe in the sanctity and dignity of all human life. They oppose the death penalty, doctor-assisted suicide, war, and abortion (including the use of contraceptives like the morning-after pill). Their position on abortion is consistent with their other views -- it has to do with the dignity of human life, not keeping women in their place. Abortion is the #1 issue for many Catholics because there are so many abortions every year. Many Catholics see it as genocide.

That's a crock. They found an exception that allows the death penalty. Many in the Church support the death penalty. They excommunicated Father Roy. They transferred priests allowing children to be raped and priests unpunished. The bishops are some of the most right-wing crazies around. Let's not forget how much PUBLIC money they get, and we can't say anything about how they use it? This mostly effects poor women--how many choices do people really have? Find someone else to work for? How easy is that in this economy, exactly?

I'm not talking about the leaders of the Catholic church or individual Catholics. I'm talking about Catholic social teaching. And what's the exception that allows the death penalty?

In my religion, it is deemed acceptable to fire women from a job once they get pregnant. If you are a pregnant woman who wants to keep her job (or if you are a woman who might someday get pregnant) and don't agree with that rule -- don't accept a job at a hospital, school, or business run by my religion.

In my religion, we think that woman shouldn't hold a job at all! If you are a woman and feel like having a job -- don't try to work at a hospital, school, or business run by my religion.

Religious freedom, people!