Relax, it won't pass constitutional muster. Those of us in northern virginia are used to this shit.

They could just as easily decide that the abortionist has to show a video of a heartbeat during the procedure. At least that does not invade any one's vagina.

Anyone actually know why this isn't the proposed law? So, would everyone be satisfied with that compromise?

^^^You're argument makes sense to a point. Sure, you're free to birth and raise your kids as you see fit, but you're rights are not unfettered. If you were abusing or killing off children, the law could step in to stop you -- even though they're your kids. An argument exists that the unborn needs the state to take his/her/its side -- sort of like appoint a guardian ad litem for the unborn, just as they would do for your allegedly abused kids.

Anonymous wrote:It's my body and I can do what I want. I also want the government to FORCE other people to give me what I want even if they don't want to do it or find it unethical. Got it.

I think you just need to stop posting because you are making an idiot of yourself and your argument. You're not doing the movement any favors here.

It's my body and I can do what I want. I also want the government to FORCE other people to give me what I want even if they don't want to do it or find it unethical. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the outrage over a stupid ultrasound but zero outrage or any feeling whatsoever over the life of the innocent baby? seriously, step back 5 feet and think this through.

Because it is still my body and my decision, not yours. Because this law assumes that I am too stupid to make fully informed decisions. You should feel free to carry as many pregnancies as you want to term. That's your choice. You don't get to take my choice away from me because you disagree with me.

The issue is that there is a large portion of the world that believes a baby regardless of stage is another human being. Now the question is at what point is it? I believe we will see that it is probably at 14-16 weeks especially with new technology that can detect brain waves pain etc... so your argument will not be valid

Yes, it will be. Because it's still my body. I know you really don't like that and you disagree with my opinion and think I'm a horrible baby killing monster or whatever, but it's still MY BODY. NOT YOURS.

but it isn't your body at that point - it is a separate body. separate DNA, separate heart, separate brain, separate. a 2 month old baby won't survive a weekend without care from his parents. how is that any different 6 months earlier?

If you're trying to get me to admit that I'm in favor of late term abortions, you're not going to get anywhere. I personally wouldn't have one, but unlike you, I do not expect everyone to adhere to my moral code. I'm certain I don't agree with many of the decisions you've made regarding the conception, carrying, birthing and raising of your children. I'm certain you don't agree with many of my decisions. I am not telling you that you're not allowed to make those decisions. If you'd like to carry a pregnancy to term and then give that baby up for adoption, you should feel free to do that. If your doctor tells you that the fetus you're carrying has abnormalities that are incompatible with life and you'd like to carry that pregnancy to term as well, you should feel free to do that. It's not my business one way or another what you do. The only thing I'm asking is that when I am making decisions, with my husband and my doctor, about my reproductive rights, you stay out of those decisions because they are not yours to make.

PP, thank you for this great post. This sums it up perfectly. What is going on in VA and all around the US in terms of the War on Women boils down to this.

no, its a horrible post. at first she said it is "MY BODY". then she backtracked and said it was "HER DECISION". I think the other party involved has a decision as well.

Great! Then YOU feel free to take that into account when YOU are deciding whether to have YOUR abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the outrage over a stupid ultrasound but zero outrage or any feeling whatsoever over the life of the innocent baby? seriously, step back 5 feet and think this through.

Because it is still my body and my decision, not yours. Because this law assumes that I am too stupid to make fully informed decisions. You should feel free to carry as many pregnancies as you want to term. That's your choice. You don't get to take my choice away from me because you disagree with me.

The issue is that there is a large portion of the world that believes a baby regardless of stage is another human being. Now the question is at what point is it? I believe we will see that it is probably at 14-16 weeks especially with new technology that can detect brain waves pain etc... so your argument will not be valid

Yes, it will be. Because it's still my body. I know you really don't like that and you disagree with my opinion and think I'm a horrible baby killing monster or whatever, but it's still MY BODY. NOT YOURS.

but it isn't your body at that point - it is a separate body. separate DNA, separate heart, separate brain, separate. a 2 month old baby won't survive a weekend without care from his parents. how is that any different 6 months earlier?

If you're trying to get me to admit that I'm in favor of late term abortions, you're not going to get anywhere. I personally wouldn't have one, but unlike you, I do not expect everyone to adhere to my moral code. I'm certain I don't agree with many of the decisions you've made regarding the conception, carrying, birthing and raising of your children. I'm certain you don't agree with many of my decisions. I am not telling you that you're not allowed to make those decisions. If you'd like to carry a pregnancy to term and then give that baby up for adoption, you should feel free to do that. If your doctor tells you that the fetus you're carrying has abnormalities that are incompatible with life and you'd like to carry that pregnancy to term as well, you should feel free to do that. It's not my business one way or another what you do. The only thing I'm asking is that when I am making decisions, with my husband and my doctor, about my reproductive rights, you stay out of those decisions because they are not yours to make.

PP, thank you for this great post. This sums it up perfectly. What is going on in VA and all around the US in terms of the War on Women boils down to this.

no, its a horrible post. at first she said it is "MY BODY". then she backtracked and said it was "HER DECISION". I think the other party involved has a decision as well.

Please. It's both. It's my body, therefore I get to decide what medical procedures to undergo. That's my decision.

My real point, which I didn't state specifically because I didn't think I had to, was that I am absolutely certain that it's not YOUR decision or YOUR body, so back off. If you're going to go off about how the fetus gets a choice, like I said, I'm sure there are things that you are teaching your children or giving to them that I do not believe in. But they're YOUR KIDS. So I'm not going to tell you how you do or do not get to raise them. You'd be absolutely furious if I walked into your life and started telling you how to live it and you know it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the outrage over a stupid ultrasound but zero outrage or any feeling whatsoever over the life of the innocent baby? seriously, step back 5 feet and think this through.

Because it is still my body and my decision, not yours. Because this law assumes that I am too stupid to make fully informed decisions. You should feel free to carry as many pregnancies as you want to term. That's your choice. You don't get to take my choice away from me because you disagree with me.

The issue is that there is a large portion of the world that believes a baby regardless of stage is another human being. Now the question is at what point is it? I believe we will see that it is probably at 14-16 weeks especially with new technology that can detect brain waves pain etc... so your argument will not be valid

Yes, it will be. Because it's still my body. I know you really don't like that and you disagree with my opinion and think I'm a horrible baby killing monster or whatever, but it's still MY BODY. NOT YOURS.

but it isn't your body at that point - it is a separate body. separate DNA, separate heart, separate brain, separate. a 2 month old baby won't survive a weekend without care from his parents. how is that any different 6 months earlier?

If you're trying to get me to admit that I'm in favor of late term abortions, you're not going to get anywhere. I personally wouldn't have one, but unlike you, I do not expect everyone to adhere to my moral code. I'm certain I don't agree with many of the decisions you've made regarding the conception, carrying, birthing and raising of your children. I'm certain you don't agree with many of my decisions. I am not telling you that you're not allowed to make those decisions. If you'd like to carry a pregnancy to term and then give that baby up for adoption, you should feel free to do that. If your doctor tells you that the fetus you're carrying has abnormalities that are incompatible with life and you'd like to carry that pregnancy to term as well, you should feel free to do that. It's not my business one way or another what you do. The only thing I'm asking is that when I am making decisions, with my husband and my doctor, about my reproductive rights, you stay out of those decisions because they are not yours to make.

PP, thank you for this great post. This sums it up perfectly. What is going on in VA and all around the US in terms of the War on Women boils down to this.

no, its a horrible post. at first she said it is "MY BODY". then she backtracked and said it was "HER DECISION". I think the other party involved has a decision as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the outrage over a stupid ultrasound but zero outrage or any feeling whatsoever over the life of the innocent baby? seriously, step back 5 feet and think this through.

Because it is still my body and my decision, not yours. Because this law assumes that I am too stupid to make fully informed decisions. You should feel free to carry as many pregnancies as you want to term. That's your choice. You don't get to take my choice away from me because you disagree with me.

The issue is that there is a large portion of the world that believes a baby regardless of stage is another human being. Now the question is at what point is it? I believe we will see that it is probably at 14-16 weeks especially with new technology that can detect brain waves pain etc... so your argument will not be valid

Yes, it will be. Because it's still my body. I know you really don't like that and you disagree with my opinion and think I'm a horrible baby killing monster or whatever, but it's still MY BODY. NOT YOURS.

but it isn't your body at that point - it is a separate body. separate DNA, separate heart, separate brain, separate. a 2 month old baby won't survive a weekend without care from his parents. how is that any different 6 months earlier?

If you're trying to get me to admit that I'm in favor of late term abortions, you're not going to get anywhere. I personally wouldn't have one, but unlike you, I do not expect everyone to adhere to my moral code. I'm certain I don't agree with many of the decisions you've made regarding the conception, carrying, birthing and raising of your children. I'm certain you don't agree with many of my decisions. I am not telling you that you're not allowed to make those decisions. If you'd like to carry a pregnancy to term and then give that baby up for adoption, you should feel free to do that. If your doctor tells you that the fetus you're carrying has abnormalities that are incompatible with life and you'd like to carry that pregnancy to term as well, you should feel free to do that. It's not my business one way or another what you do. The only thing I'm asking is that when I am making decisions, with my husband and my doctor, about my reproductive rights, you stay out of those decisions because they are not yours to make.

PP, thank you for this great post. This sums it up perfectly. What is going on in VA and all around the US in terms of the War on Women boils down to this.

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Anonymous wrote:Roe is such bad law and will be overturned sooner or later regardless. With the age of Kennedy and Gins, I could see the next president nominating the game changer.

Roe is not a law. It was a court decision on the Constitutional right to privacy. You don't think a right to privacy exists?

Roe not a law, but it is law. Court decisions make law. Sometimes they make good law and sometimes they make bad law. Sometimes the outcome of a case might be "good" but the articultion of the law used to reach that outcome may be "bad." An argument could be made that Roe is bad law in that way. I could easily argue that there is no right to privacy in the constitution, unless you believe that words have penumbras.

"The First Amendment has a penumbra where privacy is protected from governmental intrusion.” Griswold v. Connecticut.

I understand case law vs laws. I'm not sure why you're explaining it to me. You could argue that there is no right to privacy, but cases have been decided on it: Griswold v Connecticut, Lawrence v Texas, Roe v Wade, etc. Even Scalia has noted that it is a precedent that can't be overlooked at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:To 9:20, I dont see this mandate as trying to humiliate anyone. I think the purpose is straight forward, to personify the embryo heartbeat. To yes discourage abortions but not make them illegal. Its ironic one would consider this procedure humiliating yet jthe person seeking the abortiorn is perfectly willing to allow a doctor to remove the developing child from the womens body. If one women decides to reconsider their decision to abort its a worthy precident. I have suspicion it will. I was there for my wifes ultrasounds and it was remarkable, anything but humiliating.

They could just as easily decide that the abortionist has to show a video of a heartbeat during the procedure. At least that does not invade any one's vagina.

Hilarious, people decry about the doctor invading their vagina but they are such big sluts and have had 20 random guys they date invade their vagina so that they need the right to kill a pregnancy

Thank you John Boehner for showing your true colors.

You are a misogynist.

No, it's a troll. I mean, six of one, half a dozen of the other, but still...

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Anonymous wrote:To 9:20, I dont see this mandate as trying to humiliate anyone. I think the purpose is straight forward, to personify the embryo heartbeat. To yes discourage abortions but not make them illegal. Its ironic one would consider this procedure humiliating yet jthe person seeking the abortiorn is perfectly willing to allow a doctor to remove the developing child from the womens body. If one women decides to reconsider their decision to abort its a worthy precident. I have suspicion it will. I was there for my wifes ultrasounds and it was remarkable, anything but humiliating.

They could just as easily decide that the abortionist has to show a video of a heartbeat during the procedure. At least that does not invade any one's vagina.

Hilarious, people decry about the doctor invading their vagina but they are such big sluts and have had 20 random guys they date invade their vagina so that they need the right to kill a pregnancy

Thank you John Boehner for showing your true colors.

You are a misogynist.

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Anonymous wrote:To 9:20, I dont see this mandate as trying to humiliate anyone. I think the purpose is straight forward, to personify the embryo heartbeat. To yes discourage abortions but not make them illegal. Its ironic one would consider this procedure humiliating yet jthe person seeking the abortiorn is perfectly willing to allow a doctor to remove the developing child from the womens body. If one women decides to reconsider their decision to abort its a worthy precident. I have suspicion it will. I was there for my wifes ultrasounds and it was remarkable, anything but humiliating.

They could just as easily decide that the abortionist has to show a video of a heartbeat during the procedure. At least that does not invade any one's vagina.

Hilarious, people decry about the doctor invading their vagina but they are such big sluts and have had 20 random guys they date invade their vagina so that they need the right to kill a pregnancy

Your hatred for women is ugly and disgraceful.

You realize that those are not the majority of abortions, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Roe is such bad law and will be overturned sooner or later regardless. With the age of Kennedy and Gins, I could see the next president nominating the game changer.

Roe is not a law. It was a court decision on the Constitutional right to privacy. You don't think a right to privacy exists?

Roe not a law, but it is law. Court decisions make law. Sometimes they make good law and sometimes they make bad law. Sometimes the outcome of a case might be "good" but the articultion of the law used to reach that outcome may be "bad." An argument could be made that Roe is bad law in that way. I could easily argue that there is no right to privacy in the constitution, unless you believe that words have penumbras.

"The First Amendment has a penumbra where privacy is protected from governmental intrusion.” Griswold v. Connecticut.

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Anonymous wrote:To 9:20, I dont see this mandate as trying to humiliate anyone. I think the purpose is straight forward, to personify the embryo heartbeat. To yes discourage abortions but not make them illegal. Its ironic one would consider this procedure humiliating yet jthe person seeking the abortiorn is perfectly willing to allow a doctor to remove the developing child from the womens body. If one women decides to reconsider their decision to abort its a worthy precident. I have suspicion it will. I was there for my wifes ultrasounds and it was remarkable, anything but humiliating.

They could just as easily decide that the abortionist has to show a video of a heartbeat during the procedure. At least that does not invade any one's vagina.

Hilarious, people decry about the doctor invading their vagina but they are such big sluts and have had 20 random guys they date invade their vagina so that they need the right to kill a pregnancy