thanks to 11:58 poster.

I have to catchup with this thread and FCPS content!!

Anonymous wrote:Please explain me what "in pool" works? how the selection to AAP decided for the pool?

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/benchmark.shtml

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/idfaqs.shtml#benchmark

How is the second grade pool of candidates for the full-time AAP ( level IV) center program determined?
The purpose of the second grade screening pool is to identify a starting point for creating files to screen for possible Level IV service. The second grade pool is determined through a review of the NNAT test results from grade 1 and CogAT test results from grade 2. Each year the benchmark score varies slightly and is determined based on how students across the district performed as a group. Second grade students not in the screening pool and third through seventh graders (as there is no screening pool outside of second grade) may be screened by referral. Administrators, teachers, parent/guardians, or students may submit a referral/self-referral.
Why is the benchmark for the 2nd grade pool different each year?

The make-up of the 2nd grade pool is determined by student performance on the two tests. It is difficult to predict how the students will do from year to year and, therefore, the benchmark or cutoff scores vary accordingly. This score is usually in the 130's.

Why isn’t the composite score for my child’s CogAT an average of the subtest scores?
The composite score is not an average of the Standard Age Scores (SAS) from the subtests. It is an average – but it is calculated by conversions from raw scores to universal scale scores and then averaging.

Why does the score used for the benchmark vary?
Each year FCPS tries to capture a similar number of students as a starting point for screening. In some years, capturing that number is best accomplished through use of the subtest scores; other years the composite score better captures that number. It is important to remember that the pool is just a starting point and does not guarantee eligibility since, according to Virginia regulation, no single piece of information can find a student eligible or ineligible. FCPS uses a holistic case study approach as prescribed in the National Association for Gifted Children’s best practices. Students for whom referrals are done have files created in the same manner as pool candidates and are screened at the same time as pool candidates.

I am new to AAP and GT (whatver?). Please explain me what "in pool" works? how the selection to AAP decided for the pool?
Thanks in advance.

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GBRS was 11 the second time around. I struggled with the whole thing. Since preschool, he was very articulate, reading chapter books, great in math, nonverbal/spacial is very strong., but VERY socially immature. I suspect, if I did further testing, that he would have scored high enough on the WISC to win on appeal, but financially, it was a bit out of reach. Worked out ok, since he is there now, and getting all A's, but breaking into a preexisiting Local Level IV class has had some drawbacks. His current AAP teacher says that it is absolutely the right fit academically for him, even after missing out for 3rd grade.

Wait, is your child in the Center or in LLIV??

Level IV eligible attending a Local Level IV school. We chose LLIV for a variety of reasons. The biggest reason was that he started K at a school that is not our neighborhood school. (NCLB opt out) As a result, he would have attended a different center than his school peers. After researching both choices, we saw LLIV as the best choice. If you were questioning if he is in LLIV just through principal placement, no, he is center eligible.

P.s- can someone tell me how to quote, but only a part? I hate how the whole conversation appears.

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Anonymous wrote:the NNAT is taken in first grade and results are received in late January of first grade

We moved to public school in the second grade so we don't have the NNAT. Basically we only have the CogAt at 131. Guess the only option is parent referral?

Was the 131 the Composite? I believe that the 132 needs to be on any one subtest, but not only on the composite. I know that there is a clause somewhere that says that parents can make a one time request for a retest. You could always parent refer (if you feel her teacher this year strongly supports this, as their GBRS will carry a good amount of weight) and then request a Naglieri test to hold on to in case you need to appeal. It would be too late to request the Naglieri for this year in the first round. You could also request letters from prior schools if you feel the teacher would support the decision.

We were in pool a few years ago, with one CogAt (nonverbal) at 148 and all other scores in the high 120's (99%ile composite) and did not get in, BUT my son had a rough year behaviorally that year so his GBRS was lower (9). In 3rd grade, his teacher said "this child needs to be in AAP" so we parent referred in 3rd grade with the old test scores and breezed in on the first round. GL

What was the GBRS second time round?

Hi ,I ask this because my DS has a similar profile to yours and did not get in last year with a NNAT of 160 and GBRS of 8,we did not do COGAT last year. But this year we did COgat as well and he has composite score of 134 with non verbal being 148. So we hoping for a better GBRS now in 3rd Grade.

Link: http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/benchmark.shtml

Anonymous wrote:Looks like you need a 132 as a cogat composite score this year. the info is now on the fcps website

Thanks for posting this!

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/benchmark.shtml

Looks like you need a 132 as a cogat composite score this year. the info is now on the fcps website

GBRS was 11 the second time around. I struggled with the whole thing. Since preschool, he was very articulate, reading chapter books, great in math, nonverbal/spacial is very strong., but VERY socially immature. I suspect, if I did further testing, that he would have scored high enough on the WISC to win on appeal, but financially, it was a bit out of reach. Worked out ok, since he is there now, and getting all A's, but breaking into a preexisiting Local Level IV class has had some drawbacks. His current AAP teacher says that it is absolutely the right fit academically for him, even after missing out for 3rd grade.

Wait, is your child in the Center or in LLIV??

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the NNAT is taken in first grade and results are received in late January of first grade

We moved to public school in the second grade so we don't have the NNAT. Basically we only have the CogAt at 131. Guess the only option is parent referral?

Was the 131 the Composite? I believe that the 132 needs to be on any one subtest, but not only on the composite. I know that there is a clause somewhere that says that parents can make a one time request for a retest. You could always parent refer (if you feel her teacher this year strongly supports this, as their GBRS will carry a good amount of weight) and then request a Naglieri test to hold on to in case you need to appeal. It would be too late to request the Naglieri for this year in the first round. You could also request letters from prior schools if you feel the teacher would support the decision.

We were in pool a few years ago, with one CogAt (nonverbal) at 148 and all other scores in the high 120's (99%ile composite) and did not get in, BUT my son had a rough year behaviorally that year so his GBRS was lower (9). In 3rd grade, his teacher said "this child needs to be in AAP" so we parent referred in 3rd grade with the old test scores and breezed in on the first round. GL

What was the GBRS second time round?

GBRS was 11 the second time around. I struggled with the whole thing. Since preschool, he was very articulate, reading chapter books, great in math, nonverbal/spacial is very strong., but VERY socially immature. I suspect, if I did further testing, that he would have scored high enough on the WISC to win on appeal, but financially, it was a bit out of reach. Worked out ok, since he is there now, and getting all A's, but breaking into a preexisiting Local Level IV class has had some drawbacks. His current AAP teacher says that it is absolutely the right fit academically for him, even after missing out for 3rd grade.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the NNAT is taken in first grade and results are received in late January of first grade

We moved to public school in the second grade so we don't have the NNAT. Basically we only have the CogAt at 131. Guess the only option is parent referral?

Was the 131 the Composite? I believe that the 132 needs to be on any one subtest, but not only on the composite. I know that there is a clause somewhere that says that parents can make a one time request for a retest. You could always parent refer (if you feel her teacher this year strongly supports this, as their GBRS will carry a good amount of weight) and then request a Naglieri test to hold on to in case you need to appeal. It would be too late to request the Naglieri for this year in the first round. You could also request letters from prior schools if you feel the teacher would support the decision.

We were in pool a few years ago, with one CogAt (nonverbal) at 148 and all other scores in the high 120's (99%ile composite) and did not get in, BUT my son had a rough year behaviorally that year so his GBRS was lower (9). In 3rd grade, his teacher said "this child needs to be in AAP" so we parent referred in 3rd grade with the old test scores and breezed in on the first round. GL

What was the GBRS second time round?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the NNAT is taken in first grade and results are received in late January of first grade

We moved to public school in the second grade so we don't have the NNAT. Basically we only have the CogAt at 131. Guess the only option is parent referral?

Was the 131 the Composite? I believe that the 132 needs to be on any one subtest, but not only on the composite. I know that there is a clause somewhere that says that parents can make a one time request for a retest. You could always parent refer (if you feel her teacher this year strongly supports this, as their GBRS will carry a good amount of weight) and then request a Naglieri test to hold on to in case you need to appeal. It would be too late to request the Naglieri for this year in the first round. You could also request letters from prior schools if you feel the teacher would support the decision.

We were in pool a few years ago, with one CogAt (nonverbal) at 148 and all other scores in the high 120's (99%ile composite) and did not get in, BUT my son had a rough year behaviorally that year so his GBRS was lower (9). In 3rd grade, his teacher said "this child needs to be in AAP" so we parent referred in 3rd grade with the old test scores and breezed in on the first round. GL

Anonymous wrote:the NNAT is taken in first grade and results are received in late January of first grade

We moved to public school in the second grade so we don't have the NNAT. Basically we only have the CogAt at 131. Guess the only option is parent referral?

Anonymous wrote:Since I am new to the process, how does the parental referral work?

Go the AAP website, click on forms, and then on referral form. It's like one page. http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/forms.shtml

the NNAT is taken in first grade and results are received in late January of first grade