Anonymous
05/29/2012 08:40
Subject: Re:Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
Your right on both counts: Academic Index and blathering. DCUMMIES love to blather about what they know nothing about.
Anonymous
05/29/2012 08:35
Subject: Re:Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
Let me join the conversation as someone who actually has a clue.
In order to understand how athletic recruitment and admissions to the Ivies for athletes you have to understand the Ivy League "Academic Index".
It is a system that assigns index numbers to potential recruits based on their SAT scores and their class rank. GPA's are not included and have no weight. Only the SAT scores and the Class Rank percentile are considered.
The universities must balance their entire incoming class of athletes against the Academic Index. And to make it even more complicated, the Academic Index distribution varies by university such that Penn, for example, can admit more athletes in the lowest Academic Index band than can Harvard.
If you want to understand the Academic Index, you can look it up on the Internet. Or you can blather on about that which you have little understanding.
In order to understand how athletic recruitment and admissions to the Ivies for athletes you have to understand the Ivy League "Academic Index".
It is a system that assigns index numbers to potential recruits based on their SAT scores and their class rank. GPA's are not included and have no weight. Only the SAT scores and the Class Rank percentile are considered.
The universities must balance their entire incoming class of athletes against the Academic Index. And to make it even more complicated, the Academic Index distribution varies by university such that Penn, for example, can admit more athletes in the lowest Academic Index band than can Harvard.
If you want to understand the Academic Index, you can look it up on the Internet. Or you can blather on about that which you have little understanding.
Anonymous
05/29/2012 07:25
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
They ask them to take an SAT. The kids have to hit a certain number. Puts quite a b it of pressure on the kid to hit the number. Some don't and things do fall through.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 23:48
Subject: Re:Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
It doesn't seem to matter to most of the schools -- most of the lacrosse players in this area at least meet eligibility standards in terms of GPAs/board scores.
How do they assess board scores in 10th grade? Have these kids already taken the SAT?
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:40
Subject: Re:Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
Anonymous wrote:"Lacrosse recruiting at the Division I level is, unfortunately, now happening earlier and earlier, with kids committing their sophomore years"
Interesting-- so how do they assess the students' academic potential? Middle school? Or does it just not matter?
It doesn't seem to matter to most of the schools -- most of the lacrosse players in this area at least meet eligibility standards in terms of GPAs/board scores. The academic record does seem to matter to the Ivies, which is why I've heard more about first semester of junior year commits -- and even for the Ivies, I've heard at least one case where a student "committed" during junior year and then the commitment fell through senior year from the Ivy's side (maybe because the player was not a very strong student and/or didn't have great board scores).
Anonymous
05/28/2012 18:54
Subject: Re:Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
"Lacrosse recruiting at the Division I level is, unfortunately, now happening earlier and earlier, with kids committing their sophomore years"
Interesting-- so how do they assess the students' academic potential? Middle school? Or does it just not matter?
Interesting-- so how do they assess the students' academic potential? Middle school? Or does it just not matter?
Anonymous
05/28/2012 16:35
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
A few tips:
1. The longtime coaches in the area have great ties to schools, not just Division I but NESCAC schools. If your son is already at a school talk to the coach about what might be a good fit.
2. Lacrosse recruiting at the Division I level is, unfortunately, now happening earlier and earlier, with kids committing their sophomore years. The Ivies may be waiting a bit more, until the early fall of junior year, but they too may be moving up to compete with other schools. A lot of the college coaches hate it -- the error rate is much higher -- but they feel they have to do it to compete (there was a recent NYTimes article about this).
3. Given the early timing, the center of gravity for recruiting has shifted in a big way to clubs and showcase tournaments (e.g. during the fall of the sophomore year). You should be able to talk to your school's coach or to other families to find out more about the club experience.
4. As stated, there are almost no full scholarships in Division I lacrosse because of the small number of scholarships and big rosters. If, on the other hand, the lacrosse angle is more about getting help with admissions to a competitive place, or just playing out the sport at the highest level, that's fine. You need to be realistic that there probably won't be a lot of money in it.
1. The longtime coaches in the area have great ties to schools, not just Division I but NESCAC schools. If your son is already at a school talk to the coach about what might be a good fit.
2. Lacrosse recruiting at the Division I level is, unfortunately, now happening earlier and earlier, with kids committing their sophomore years. The Ivies may be waiting a bit more, until the early fall of junior year, but they too may be moving up to compete with other schools. A lot of the college coaches hate it -- the error rate is much higher -- but they feel they have to do it to compete (there was a recent NYTimes article about this).
3. Given the early timing, the center of gravity for recruiting has shifted in a big way to clubs and showcase tournaments (e.g. during the fall of the sophomore year). You should be able to talk to your school's coach or to other families to find out more about the club experience.
4. As stated, there are almost no full scholarships in Division I lacrosse because of the small number of scholarships and big rosters. If, on the other hand, the lacrosse angle is more about getting help with admissions to a competitive place, or just playing out the sport at the highest level, that's fine. You need to be realistic that there probably won't be a lot of money in it.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 12:35
Subject: Re:Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
From families with recruited college lacrosse players, please post your experiences, and tips. Thanks!
Anonymous
05/07/2012 22:25
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
I imagine besides the Division 1 laxers from those schools many others go to Division 3 schools like the Nescac, Centennial conference schools.
Anonymous
05/05/2012 11:07
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
And Ivy League schools, technically Div. I, do not offer scholarships, but they can be very creative with financial aid.
Anonymous
05/05/2012 10:16
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this is playing lacrosse in "college," as opposed to Division I, St. Albans has additional seniors who have committed to play in Division III programs (including a goalie and defensive midfielder).
No question STA doesn't produce as many Division I lacrosse recruits as Prep and Landon but they get their share for this area -- for example, they currently have players at Yale, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, Navy, and University of Virginia, to list some of the current DI players.
Are lacrosse college scholarships full rides?
Rarely. A Division I school can offer up to 13 scholarships. Their roster is generally 35 players. The 13 scholarships are distributed among the players.
A common practice is to offer a 1/4 scholarship and then to add 1/4 if the player makes his grades.
Division III schools do not offer scholarships.
Anonymous
05/05/2012 06:47
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
Anonymous wrote:If this is playing lacrosse in "college," as opposed to Division I, St. Albans has additional seniors who have committed to play in Division III programs (including a goalie and defensive midfielder).
No question STA doesn't produce as many Division I lacrosse recruits as Prep and Landon but they get their share for this area -- for example, they currently have players at Yale, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, Navy, and University of Virginia, to list some of the current DI players.
Are lacrosse college scholarships full rides?
Anonymous
03/28/2012 16:09
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
If this is playing lacrosse in "college," as opposed to Division I, St. Albans has additional seniors who have committed to play in Division III programs (including a goalie and defensive midfielder).
No question STA doesn't produce as many Division I lacrosse recruits as Prep and Landon but they get their share for this area -- for example, they currently have players at Yale, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, Navy, and University of Virginia, to list some of the current DI players.
No question STA doesn't produce as many Division I lacrosse recruits as Prep and Landon but they get their share for this area -- for example, they currently have players at Yale, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, Navy, and University of Virginia, to list some of the current DI players.
Anonymous
03/28/2012 13:02
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
Anonymous wrote:Lax power needed an apostrophe for St. Alban's which is why the Lehigh recruit did not show up.
The other recruit found is a senior committed to Haverford
According to Inside Lacrosse, there were no St. Alban's lacrosse recruits for Yale for 2012 or 2013.
Now of course it is possible that it has not been posted yet but as of all available information, nothing is listed for the class of 2014.
Thanks for being so nice.
2012 Signees
YALE
Overall, a very solid class with some great athletes. The top dogs look to be a pair of super athletic longpoles in Quinn and Nation. Shane Carr and Mark Glicini, a big scorer from New Jersey that is a Deerfield PG, are standout attackmen. No shortage of talent heading to New Haven next fall.
J.W. McGovern, A, St. Ignatius (Calif.)
Jonathan Lee, M, Hopkinton (Mass.)
Shane Carr, A, Penn Charter (Pa.)
Reilly Naton, LSM/D, Duxbury (Mass.)
Michael Bonacci, A, St. Mary's (Md.)
Jon Reese, M, West Islip (N.Y.)
Max Skibber, A/M, Episcopal (Tex.)
Michael Keasey, M, Corona Del Mar
Michael Quinn, LSM, Hotchkiss (Conn.) - postgrad
Mark Glicini, A, Deerfield (Mass.) - postgrad
Yale-2013
Austin Rocco, A, Avon Old Farms (Conn.)
A.J. Rocco, A, Avon Old Farms (Conn.)
Camyar Matini, D, St. Albans (D.C.)
Brian Pratt, M, Chaminade (N.Y.)
Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.Y.)
*Chris Keating, D, Phillips Exeter (N.H.)
Jeff Cimbalista, M/A, La Salle College (Pa.)
Last edited by ILGeoff; Yesterday at 11:08 AM.
You say there are NO recruits to Yale from STA in 2012 and 2013. Yet the list you produced shows Camyar Matini, who is a 2013 kid. LOL. Read your own material.
Anonymous
03/28/2012 12:26
Subject: Recruited College Athletes from Big-3 Type Schools?
Just saw the Yale recruit! apparently my eyes aren't too good!!