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Anonymous wrote:Why not look at the 2024 supplement to the MFP, Appendix 1 tab F. It shows that some schools have not been modernized in far more than 17 years. Barnard, for example, is getting an addition but its last real modernization was in 2003. Brightwood and Cleveland in 2004. Kelly Miller 2004. Malcolm X waited 19 years. Miner had a 21-year gap between renovations. So did Noyes. Oyster-Adams 23 years. So why choose 17 years as your divisor?

Last part first. As I explained, it was a typo. Should have said 14 years. And 14 was chosen to double the 7 that got us to $15k per student. Look at the math in my post - this is pretty and obvious.

Not sure what you are arguing in the rest of your post. Ok...and? DCPS hasn't modernized all schools. They have modernized many of them and spent a ton of money to do so; money that isn't part of the per student calculations. Which is the point here. not sure if I am responding to one person who doesn't get it or many of you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not look at the 2024 supplement to the MFP, Appendix 1 tab F. It shows that some schools have not been modernized in far more than 17 years. Barnard, for example, is getting an addition but its last real modernization was in 2003. Brightwood and Cleveland in 2004. Kelly Miller 2004. Malcolm X waited 19 years. Miner had a 21-year gap between renovations. So did Noyes. Oyster-Adams 23 years. So why choose 17 years as your divisor?

This is an interesting point and one with which I think the charter community has not yet come to terms. Charters are coming up on the 15-20 year mark. Many of the schools are now facing increased maintenance and capital expenses. Construction and maintenance costs are WAY up, as are interest rates. Cost to borrow is through the roof.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Um. Yeah, there are a lot of schools and, at some point, they all need renovation.

As I stated in the post you responded to, most renovations are very minimal on costs.

A handful of schools have had fancy renovations that are hard to understand based on enrollment numbers. But most of the list above? Very necessary, thrifty renovations.

I know I shouldn't waste my time on low information people like you, but I just can't help myself. You remind me of Colbert at the Correspondents Dinner talking about truthiness. You feel these things and state them like facts and they are based on nothing. Or maybe you think $50 million is "minimal" or "thrifty"? LOL.

These are the FACTS. Please enjoy.

Benjamin Banneker Academic HS $125.8 Million
Duke Ellington School of the Arts $178.5 Million
Roosevelt High School $136.5 Million
Coolidge High School $160.0 Million
Bard High School Early College DC $80.2 million
MacArthur High School $81.0 Million
Eliot-Hine Middle School $91.0 Million
MacFarland Middle School $62 Million
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus $63 million
Alice Deal Middle School $45.0 Million
Bancroft Elementary $74.0 Million
Eaton Elementary $58.7 Million
Lafayette Elementary $70.4 Million
Murch Elementary $83.0 Million
Van Ness Elementary $32.4 Million
Maury Elementary $52.0 Million
Kimball Elementary $55.6 Million
Garfield Elementary $60.5 Million
Smothers Elementary $53 Million
J.O. Wilson Elementary $80-100 Million
Tubman Elementary $80-100 Million
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary $54-60 Million
Thomas Elementary $80-100 Million

My belief: The total budget and the amount actually spent on on-site construction, material, and labor are 2 different things. You know, the politics part -- the gifts to the developers and middlemen that never make it to the facility housing students and teachers.

That's a thing for sure. But also, giving the school what the parents there want, because they have some advocacy ability. The localized nature of DCPS means it's easier to get your own council reps to pay attention.

Also, historic building regulations add complexity. And the oldness and disrepair of the buildings can make the renovation harder. For example, asbestos-- a charter would simply not choose to rent or buy that building, but DCPS is pretty much stuck with it and has to actually remediate the problem, and that can be costly.

I continue to think below-market charter leases are an off-the-books subsidy, but I don't know how to estimate the size of it.

You've said this several times but it is not the thing you think it is. You continue to imply that charters took advantage of DCPS by stealing their buildings. There is no evidence of that. In fact, the requirement to allow charters right of first refusal was an offshoot of DCPS selling surplus buildings to developers in sweetheart deals that provided no long term benefit to DC students (or DC as a whole, really).

*It has been 10+ years since a Charter school newly occupied a "surplus school" (Two Rivers in 2015)
*"Subsidies" are illusory. The charter has to pay for 100% of the capital modernization costs. Using Two Rivers as an example, the reno costs were $33 million. A commercial arm's length lease would not require to tenant to cover buildout costs
*The "subsidies" are not what you think. Charter leases are triple net leases. Unlike typical commercial leases the charters are on the hook for real estate Taxes, building insurance and ALL maintenance and utilities

Anonymous wrote:Why not look at the 2024 supplement to the MFP, Appendix 1 tab F. It shows that some schools have not been modernized in far more than 17 years. Barnard, for example, is getting an addition but its last real modernization was in 2003. Brightwood and Cleveland in 2004. Kelly Miller 2004. Malcolm X waited 19 years. Miner had a 21-year gap between renovations. So did Noyes. Oyster-Adams 23 years. So why choose 17 years as your divisor?

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Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Um. Yeah, there are a lot of schools and, at some point, they all need renovation.

As I stated in the post you responded to, most renovations are very minimal on costs.

A handful of schools have had fancy renovations that are hard to understand based on enrollment numbers. But most of the list above? Very necessary, thrifty renovations.

I know I shouldn't waste my time on low information people like you, but I just can't help myself. You remind me of Colbert at the Correspondents Dinner talking about truthiness. You feel these things and state them like facts and they are based on nothing. Or maybe you think $50 million is "minimal" or "thrifty"? LOL.

These are the FACTS. Please enjoy.

Benjamin Banneker Academic HS $125.8 Million
Duke Ellington School of the Arts $178.5 Million
Roosevelt High School $136.5 Million
Coolidge High School $160.0 Million
Bard High School Early College DC $80.2 million
MacArthur High School $81.0 Million
Eliot-Hine Middle School $91.0 Million
MacFarland Middle School $62 Million
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus $63 million
Alice Deal Middle School $45.0 Million
Bancroft Elementary $74.0 Million
Eaton Elementary $58.7 Million
Lafayette Elementary $70.4 Million
Murch Elementary $83.0 Million
Van Ness Elementary $32.4 Million
Maury Elementary $52.0 Million
Kimball Elementary $55.6 Million
Garfield Elementary $60.5 Million
Smothers Elementary $53 Million
J.O. Wilson Elementary $80-100 Million
Tubman Elementary $80-100 Million
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary $54-60 Million
Thomas Elementary $80-100 Million

My belief: The total budget and the amount actually spent on on-site construction, material, and labor are 2 different things. You know, the politics part -- the gifts to the developers and middlemen that never make it to the facility housing students and teachers.

Anonymous wrote:Why not look at the 2024 supplement to the MFP, Appendix 1 tab F. It shows that some schools have not been modernized in far more than 17 years. Barnard, for example, is getting an addition but its last real modernization was in 2003. Brightwood and Cleveland in 2004. Kelly Miller 2004. Malcolm X waited 19 years. Miner had a 21-year gap between renovations. So did Noyes. Oyster-Adams 23 years. So why choose 17 years as your divisor?

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Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Um. Yeah, there are a lot of schools and, at some point, they all need renovation.

As I stated in the post you responded to, most renovations are very minimal on costs.

A handful of schools have had fancy renovations that are hard to understand based on enrollment numbers. But most of the list above? Very necessary, thrifty renovations.

I know I shouldn't waste my time on low information people like you, but I just can't help myself. You remind me of Colbert at the Correspondents Dinner talking about truthiness. You feel these things and state them like facts and they are based on nothing. Or maybe you think $50 million is "minimal" or "thrifty"? LOL.

These are the FACTS. Please enjoy.

Benjamin Banneker Academic HS $125.8 Million
Duke Ellington School of the Arts $178.5 Million
Roosevelt High School $136.5 Million
Coolidge High School $160.0 Million
Bard High School Early College DC $80.2 million
MacArthur High School $81.0 Million
Eliot-Hine Middle School $91.0 Million
MacFarland Middle School $62 Million
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus $63 million
Alice Deal Middle School $45.0 Million
Bancroft Elementary $74.0 Million
Eaton Elementary $58.7 Million
Lafayette Elementary $70.4 Million
Murch Elementary $83.0 Million
Van Ness Elementary $32.4 Million
Maury Elementary $52.0 Million
Kimball Elementary $55.6 Million
Garfield Elementary $60.5 Million
Smothers Elementary $53 Million
J.O. Wilson Elementary $80-100 Million
Tubman Elementary $80-100 Million
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary $54-60 Million
Thomas Elementary $80-100 Million

My belief: The total budget and the amount actually spent on on-site construction, material, and labor are 2 different things. You know, the politics part -- the gifts to the developers and middlemen that never make it to the facility housing students and teachers.

That's a thing for sure. But also, giving the school what the parents there want, because they have some advocacy ability. The localized nature of DCPS means it's easier to get your own council reps to pay attention.

Also, historic building regulations add complexity. And the oldness and disrepair of the buildings can make the renovation harder. For example, asbestos-- a charter would simply not choose to rent or buy that building, but DCPS is pretty much stuck with it and has to actually remediate the problem, and that can be costly.

I continue to think below-market charter leases are an off-the-books subsidy, but I don't know how to estimate the size of it.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Um. Yeah, there are a lot of schools and, at some point, they all need renovation.

As I stated in the post you responded to, most renovations are very minimal on costs.

A handful of schools have had fancy renovations that are hard to understand based on enrollment numbers. But most of the list above? Very necessary, thrifty renovations.

I know I shouldn't waste my time on low information people like you, but I just can't help myself. You remind me of Colbert at the Correspondents Dinner talking about truthiness. You feel these things and state them like facts and they are based on nothing. Or maybe you think $50 million is "minimal" or "thrifty"? LOL.

These are the FACTS. Please enjoy.

Benjamin Banneker Academic HS $125.8 Million
Duke Ellington School of the Arts $178.5 Million
Roosevelt High School $136.5 Million
Coolidge High School $160.0 Million
Bard High School Early College DC $80.2 million
MacArthur High School $81.0 Million
Eliot-Hine Middle School $91.0 Million
MacFarland Middle School $62 Million
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus $63 million
Alice Deal Middle School $45.0 Million
Bancroft Elementary $74.0 Million
Eaton Elementary $58.7 Million
Lafayette Elementary $70.4 Million
Murch Elementary $83.0 Million
Van Ness Elementary $32.4 Million
Maury Elementary $52.0 Million
Kimball Elementary $55.6 Million
Garfield Elementary $60.5 Million
Smothers Elementary $53 Million
J.O. Wilson Elementary $80-100 Million
Tubman Elementary $80-100 Million
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary $54-60 Million
Thomas Elementary $80-100 Million

My belief: The total budget and the amount actually spent on on-site construction, material, and labor are 2 different things. You know, the politics part -- the gifts to the developers and middlemen that never make it to the facility housing students and teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Um. Yeah, there are a lot of schools and, at some point, they all need renovation.

As I stated in the post you responded to, most renovations are very minimal on costs.

A handful of schools have had fancy renovations that are hard to understand based on enrollment numbers. But most of the list above? Very necessary, thrifty renovations.

I know I shouldn't waste my time on low information people like you, but I just can't help myself. You remind me of Colbert at the Correspondents Dinner talking about truthiness. You feel these things and state them like facts and they are based on nothing. Or maybe you think $50 million is "minimal" or "thrifty"? LOL.

These are the FACTS. Please enjoy.

Benjamin Banneker Academic HS $125.8 Million
Duke Ellington School of the Arts $178.5 Million
Roosevelt High School $136.5 Million
Coolidge High School $160.0 Million
Bard High School Early College DC $80.2 million
MacArthur High School $81.0 Million
Eliot-Hine Middle School $91.0 Million
MacFarland Middle School $62 Million
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus $63 million
Alice Deal Middle School $45.0 Million
Bancroft Elementary $74.0 Million
Eaton Elementary $58.7 Million
Lafayette Elementary $70.4 Million
Murch Elementary $83.0 Million
Van Ness Elementary $32.4 Million
Maury Elementary $52.0 Million
Kimball Elementary $55.6 Million
Garfield Elementary $60.5 Million
Smothers Elementary $53 Million
J.O. Wilson Elementary $80-100 Million
Tubman Elementary $80-100 Million
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary $54-60 Million
Thomas Elementary $80-100 Million

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Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Have you seen Coolidge? It's over capacity and they were forced to keep the old facade. You seem to be unhappy about literally every renovation.

I don't understand your point, and your reading comprehension needs work. DC spent $160 million on Coolidge. Are you disputing that dollar figure? Did you get confused about the discussion at hand? Low information posters try and dismiss DCPS's capital investments as trivial or minimal. Simply untrue. There are reasonable arguments about why and whether to fund charter facilities, but it is nonsense to try and dismiss that expenditure as irreverent or minor. Which was the point you completely missed.

But thanks for the update on the facade!

The $160 million also included building the new wing for Ida B Wells Middle School to share the building. It's $160 million for a campus that houses nearly 1600 students.

And they spend another $15 Million renovating the lunchroom. Your point is? I don't think you know. And I don't think you are making the point you think you are.

$175 million/1600 students = $109k/student. Current funding formula is @$15k/student. So over a 7 year period DCPS is funding 2x as much per student to Coolidge/Ida as against Charters. Even if you extend that useful life to 17 years, DCPS is funding 50% more per student than for charters.

You aren't grasping the discussion here. The point isn't that renovated schools suck or are all great. The point is that capital budgets for renos are significant. Which is why segregating facilities costs apart from capitated per student payments is illogical and unfair.

A point you actually helped me make! Thanks, friend.

And as has been explained to you, a per-pupil formula makes no sense in the DCPS context.

I'm really perplexed why you chose 17 years as the useful life.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Have you seen Coolidge? It's over capacity and they were forced to keep the old facade. You seem to be unhappy about literally every renovation.

I don't understand your point, and your reading comprehension needs work. DC spent $160 million on Coolidge. Are you disputing that dollar figure? Did you get confused about the discussion at hand? Low information posters try and dismiss DCPS's capital investments as trivial or minimal. Simply untrue. There are reasonable arguments about why and whether to fund charter facilities, but it is nonsense to try and dismiss that expenditure as irreverent or minor. Which was the point you completely missed.

But thanks for the update on the facade!

The $160 million also included building the new wing for Ida B Wells Middle School to share the building. It's $160 million for a campus that houses nearly 1600 students.

And they spend another $15 Million renovating the lunchroom. Your point is? I don't think you know. And I don't think you are making the point you think you are.

$175 million/1600 students = $109k/student. Current funding formula is @$15k/student. So over a 7 year period DCPS is funding 2x as much per student to Coolidge/Ida as against Charters. Even if you extend that useful life to 17 years, DCPS is funding 50% more per student than for charters.

You aren't grasping the discussion here. The point isn't that renovated schools suck or are all great. The point is that capital budgets for renos are significant. Which is why segregating facilities costs apart from capitated per student payments is illogical and unfair.

A point you actually helped me make! Thanks, friend.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Have you seen Coolidge? It's over capacity and they were forced to keep the old facade. You seem to be unhappy about literally every renovation.

I don't understand your point, and your reading comprehension needs work. DC spent $160 million on Coolidge. Are you disputing that dollar figure? Did you get confused about the discussion at hand? Low information posters try and dismiss DCPS's capital investments as trivial or minimal. Simply untrue. There are reasonable arguments about why and whether to fund charter facilities, but it is nonsense to try and dismiss that expenditure as irreverent or minor. Which was the point you completely missed.

But thanks for the update on the facade!

The $160 million also included building the new wing for Ida B Wells Middle School to share the building. It's $160 million for a campus that houses nearly 1600 students.

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Anonymous wrote:An unpopular opinion for DCUM- if the charters were properly funded the better ones would blow DCPS out of the water. So many struggle under the costs of facilities and teacher turn over from low salaries. If Charters had money to solve those problems the middling to good ones could be amazing.

Charters already blow DCPS out of the water, but that’s as much selection effects as it is curriculum. I say this as someone with two kids at a charter.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The difference in the facilities budget does feel unfair (DCPS school renovations are funded through the Capital Budget and DGS, while charters have limited funding through the schools budget, which is why we see these insane renovations for DCPS schools but charter schools feel more modest.)

Only a handful of DCPS schools have gotten "insane renovations," and those were politically driven.

Most DCPS buildings suck, and when they do get renovated, it is at minimal quality. Then they don't get maintained.

You want to rely on DGS for your facilities? We'd be happy to trade places on that one.

Not even close to accurate. Full lost here. https://dgs.dc.gov/dgs-projects/completed-dgs-school-projects. Including...
Benjamin Banneker Academic HS (2021)
Duke Ellington School of the Arts (2017)
Roosevelt High School (2016)
Coolidge High School (2019)
Bard High School Early College DC (2023)
MacArthur High School (2023)
Eliot-Hine Middle School (2020)
MacFarland Middle School (2018)
Marie Reed Elementary/Education Campus (2017)
Alice Deal Middle School (2022)
Bancroft Elementary (2018)
Eaton Elementary (2022)
Lafayette Elementary (2016)
Murch Elementary (2018)
Van Ness Elementary (2015-2017)
Maury Elementary (2019)
Kimball Elementary (2020)
Garfield Elementary (2024)
Smothers Elementary (2023)
J.O. Wilson Elementary (2026)
Tubman Elementary (2026)
Malcolm X @ Green Elementary (2026)
Thomas Elementary (2027-8)

Have you seen Coolidge? It's over capacity and they were forced to keep the old facade. You seem to be unhappy about literally every renovation.

I don't understand your point, and your reading comprehension needs work. DC spent $160 million on Coolidge. Are you disputing that dollar figure? Did you get confused about the discussion at hand? Low information posters try and dismiss DCPS's capital investments as trivial or minimal. Simply untrue. There are reasonable arguments about why and whether to fund charter facilities, but it is nonsense to try and dismiss that expenditure as irreverent or minor. Which was the point you completely missed.

But thanks for the update on the facade!