I'm not really understanding the hate towards Trevor and even Dwight. I feel like Trevor has gotten more popular and admissions more competitive. We didn't apply or really look into it at all for high school because I didn't think the commute was worth it but I do know people who really liked it. Apparently the facilities are great, the class sized small and they have some unique programs. It wouldn't be worth 70k for me but I think it's a reasonable option if money were no object or financial aid was available. I'm sure it's even more attractive if you live in the neighborhood and your kid can walk to school.

The Dwight hate is also a little ridiculous. I grew up in the city in the 80s and 90s and Dwight definitely had a bad rep back then and they seem to not be able to shake that. Many of the haters are probably transplants that just heard through the grapevine that Dwight is bad. Many of the kids seem to get into good colleges so the kids must be learning something. Could you get the same results at Bard or Eleanor Roosevelt? probably but Dwight and Trevor probably have smaller classes and better college counseling.

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Anonymous wrote:Top UWS publics are more diverse than privates. Not by a lot, but they are. Most importantly, they are much more economically diverse. Kids who go private for elementary are generally rich. Lots more upper middle class kids (who are still very well off) enter for middle or high school.

That being said, the nasty comments towards these private schools remain unnecessary. One can disagree with other people's choices without completely insulting a school in a childish way.

Except for one childish loser here (it's OK to insult adults).

I agree on economic diversity but the resident troll claimed that Trevor and Dwight parents avoid public schools to keep their children away from "BIPOC students". It is clearly not the case since 3 main elementary schools on UWS have got low BIPOC representation (e.g. 2-4% black students).

In any case, the troll clearly has no idea what he or she is talking about so this debate is becoming tiring. Other posters have already answered the OP's question about Speyer so I guess I will just move away from this thread.

Your average Dwight or Trevor parent thinks (and won’t say to some loose acquaintance) that those BIPOCs in public are unruly and disruptive because the publics can’t screen them out or expel them. They’ll use all sorts of code words. It’s gross. Seriously, given how much better UWS publics are than 3Ts like Trevor, why does Trevor exist at 65k+ a year? This isn’t Collegiate or HM.

Smaller classes. Curated families (not saying I agree this is right or OK, but this is what they think), all set for the next 13 years rather than having to go through the process later (particularly for those who are really risk averse and worried that their kid will do poorly and have no decent HS options).

A lot of the schools that I would question spending on for K-8 are actually decent for HS, so best to lock in early (and best case you apply to a better school for HS). I agree that this is a ridiculously huge amount of money to spend to do this, but for some people, money is no object.

“Curated families” more coded language. We all know what that means and it’s revolting.

Locking in a decent HS is a good reason but this is Trevor, which isn’t decent. You won’t do much worse in the public HS process if you do the bare minimum of research.

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Anonymous wrote:Top UWS publics are more diverse than privates. Not by a lot, but they are. Most importantly, they are much more economically diverse. Kids who go private for elementary are generally rich. Lots more upper middle class kids (who are still very well off) enter for middle or high school.

That being said, the nasty comments towards these private schools remain unnecessary. One can disagree with other people's choices without completely insulting a school in a childish way.

Except for one childish loser here (it's OK to insult adults).

I agree on economic diversity but the resident troll claimed that Trevor and Dwight parents avoid public schools to keep their children away from "BIPOC students". It is clearly not the case since 3 main elementary schools on UWS have got low BIPOC representation (e.g. 2-4% black students).

In any case, the troll clearly has no idea what he or she is talking about so this debate is becoming tiring. Other posters have already answered the OP's question about Speyer so I guess I will just move away from this thread.

Your average Dwight or Trevor parent thinks (and won’t say to some loose acquaintance) that those BIPOCs in public are unruly and disruptive because the publics can’t screen them out or expel them. They’ll use all sorts of code words. It’s gross. Seriously, given how much better UWS publics are than 3Ts like Trevor, why does Trevor exist at 65k+ a year? This isn’t Collegiate or HM.

Smaller classes. Curated families (not saying I agree this is right or OK, but this is what they think), all set for the next 13 years rather than having to go through the process later (particularly for those who are really risk averse and worried that their kid will do poorly and have no decent HS options).

A lot of the schools that I would question spending on for K-8 are actually decent for HS, so best to lock in early (and best case you apply to a better school for HS). I agree that this is a ridiculously huge amount of money to spend to do this, but for some people, money is no object.

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Anonymous wrote:Top UWS publics are more diverse than privates. Not by a lot, but they are. Most importantly, they are much more economically diverse. Kids who go private for elementary are generally rich. Lots more upper middle class kids (who are still very well off) enter for middle or high school.

That being said, the nasty comments towards these private schools remain unnecessary. One can disagree with other people's choices without completely insulting a school in a childish way.

Except for one childish loser here (it's OK to insult adults).

I agree on economic diversity but the resident troll claimed that Trevor and Dwight parents avoid public schools to keep their children away from "BIPOC students". It is clearly not the case since 3 main elementary schools on UWS have got low BIPOC representation (e.g. 2-4% black students).

In any case, the troll clearly has no idea what he or she is talking about so this debate is becoming tiring. Other posters have already answered the OP's question about Speyer so I guess I will just move away from this thread.

Your average Dwight or Trevor parent thinks (and won’t say to some loose acquaintance) that those BIPOCs in public are unruly and disruptive because the publics can’t screen them out or expel them. They’ll use all sorts of code words. It’s gross. Seriously, given how much better UWS publics are than 3Ts like Trevor, why does Trevor exist at 65k+ a year? This isn’t Collegiate or HM.

Anonymous wrote:Top UWS publics are more diverse than privates. Not by a lot, but they are. Most importantly, they are much more economically diverse. Kids who go private for elementary are generally rich. Lots more upper middle class kids (who are still very well off) enter for middle or high school.

That being said, the nasty comments towards these private schools remain unnecessary. One can disagree with other people's choices without completely insulting a school in a childish way.

Except for one childish loser here (it's OK to insult adults).

I agree on economic diversity but the resident troll claimed that Trevor and Dwight parents avoid public schools to keep their children away from "BIPOC students". It is clearly not the case since 3 main elementary schools on UWS have got low BIPOC representation (e.g. 2-4% black students).

In any case, the troll clearly has no idea what he or she is talking about so this debate is becoming tiring. Other posters have already answered the OP's question about Speyer so I guess I will just move away from this thread.

My favorites are the do-gooder diversity advocates who want to shake things up for equity and diversity and whatever else yet send their kids to these public schools (which, as I noted, actually are quite diverse in theory). How about have your little snowflake go diversify an all-minority school and practice what you preach?

Anonymous wrote:Top UWS publics are more diverse than privates. Not by a lot, but they are. Most importantly, they are much more economically diverse. Kids who go private for elementary are generally rich. Lots more upper middle class kids (who are still very well off) enter for middle or high school.

That being said, the nasty comments towards these private schools remain unnecessary. One can disagree with other people's choices without completely insulting a school in a childish way.

Except for one childish loser here (it's OK to insult adults).

Whites, can’t live with them (or you have gentrification) and you can’t live without them (or you have white flight)

Anonymous wrote:Top UWS publics are more diverse than privates. Not by a lot, but they are. Most importantly, they are much more economically diverse. Kids who go private for elementary are generally rich. Lots more upper middle class kids (who are still very well off) enter for middle or high school.

That being said, the nasty comments towards these private schools remain unnecessary. One can disagree with other people's choices without completely insulting a school in a childish way.

Except for one childish loser here (it's OK to insult adults).

Correct. Don’t let someone tell you they go to Dwight Trevor or some other 3T dumpster fire for “diversity.” They just don’t want to be around less affluent kids and will scrape the bottom of the barrel to that end

I do find it hilarious that people complain about diversity at the wealthier publics. Meanwhile, theoretically they are a lot more "diverse" than most schools in the city which are 90+% black/hispanic. They do have a fair number of minorities, more than almost any other school in America. The all-black schools are by definition very homogenous.

Top UWS publics are more diverse than privates. Not by a lot, but they are. Most importantly, they are much more economically diverse. Kids who go private for elementary are generally rich. Lots more upper middle class kids (who are still very well off) enter for middle or high school.

That being said, the nasty comments towards these private schools remain unnecessary. One can disagree with other people's choices without completely insulting a school in a childish way.

Except for one childish loser here (it's OK to insult adults).

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Anonymous wrote:Basic take on tiers of private schools:

If $70k/year is a significant burden to you and you don't qualify for financial aid, your kid is almost certainly better off going to public school - even compared to a "TT" private where they would be one of the poor/unconnected kids - and having you use the ~$1.5M or so with interest that you saved to buy them their first house/apartment and start them off with a healthy savings account.

If $70k/year is something you can afford easily, going to Trevor or CGPS or Calhoun or LREI or Dwight or whatever is not likely to be *worse* for them then public school, and having a nice clean building with small class sizes and somebody to call about every little problem is a nice luxury.

Honestly I wouldn’t even put Trevor next to CGPS or LREI. Those have at least served long standing niches and communities. Trevor is a joke given how many better 3T schools there are close by.

I wasn't trying to make any sort of point about Trevor specifically but simply to say that even <insert whatever school you think is particularly mediocre here> will be fine for your kid if you have enough money not to care about the tuition.

The problem is, people with that sort of money get into TTs and 2Ts so long as the kid is passable and the parents aren’t jerks. Schools like Trevor attract the least desirable applicant families who fit the “enough money not to care” criteria

Not really. It actually has a lot of normal, down-to-earth families who don't want the drama of TT schools and want to avoid the opinionated jerks like the one who has derailed this thread. Particularly at the HS level. I actually do agree that for elementary I would probably pick PS9, 87, 199, etc.

Check out their 2026 IG page. It isn't TT but it is pretty good - Princeton and a bunch of Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, etc. I'm sure the snobs here will criticize it because it isn't all HYPS but that is not trash.

The cross admits of a TT and Trevor-like schools go with the TT 99% of the time. If you knew how first choice letters work and brokering applicants, you’d know this. Trevor has a TON of flashy jerks in sports cars and houses out East too. They have worse pedigrees and personalities and can’t get into a TT because of that.

Got it, a couple good college acceptances. Go compare the median of Trevor with Trinity. lol

Did anyone say Trevor is better than Trinity? Nope. Please just stop. You are a pathetic child. You don't like Trevor. Got it. Move on. So sad. You are kind of actually making me like it more. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Actually, some posters say Trevor is better because you can avoid TT competition. The pathetic children are those who go to Trevor.

Go ahead, spend over a million with expected tuition increases on Trevor. An idiot is swindled every day. They’ll gladly take your money and don’t have a line out the door like the 2Ts

You are calling children pathetic? Speaking of pathetic...

Yep. Paying a fortune to avoid all those awful BIPOC students in the public schools they fear. That is why Trevor exists. It is a white flight school

I have first hand experience with both PS 9 and 199 - two of the whitest schools in the system. Private schools are usually way more diverse than the neighboring PSes.

Whether they are or not doesn’t matter, it’s the perception. And parents sending kids to Dwight and Trevor would rather pay a fortune for worse academics (yes, much worse and less rigorous) because they view the publics as low class and “ghetto”

Yeah, anyone who would think that parents would choose Trevor over PS 9, PS 199 or PS 87 to avoid "BIPOC students" clearly has very little knowledge of UWS public schools scene.

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Anonymous wrote:Basic take on tiers of private schools:

If $70k/year is a significant burden to you and you don't qualify for financial aid, your kid is almost certainly better off going to public school - even compared to a "TT" private where they would be one of the poor/unconnected kids - and having you use the ~$1.5M or so with interest that you saved to buy them their first house/apartment and start them off with a healthy savings account.

If $70k/year is something you can afford easily, going to Trevor or CGPS or Calhoun or LREI or Dwight or whatever is not likely to be *worse* for them then public school, and having a nice clean building with small class sizes and somebody to call about every little problem is a nice luxury.

Honestly I wouldn’t even put Trevor next to CGPS or LREI. Those have at least served long standing niches and communities. Trevor is a joke given how many better 3T schools there are close by.

I wasn't trying to make any sort of point about Trevor specifically but simply to say that even <insert whatever school you think is particularly mediocre here> will be fine for your kid if you have enough money not to care about the tuition.

The problem is, people with that sort of money get into TTs and 2Ts so long as the kid is passable and the parents aren’t jerks. Schools like Trevor attract the least desirable applicant families who fit the “enough money not to care” criteria

Not really. It actually has a lot of normal, down-to-earth families who don't want the drama of TT schools and want to avoid the opinionated jerks like the one who has derailed this thread. Particularly at the HS level. I actually do agree that for elementary I would probably pick PS9, 87, 199, etc.

Check out their 2026 IG page. It isn't TT but it is pretty good - Princeton and a bunch of Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, etc. I'm sure the snobs here will criticize it because it isn't all HYPS but that is not trash.

The cross admits of a TT and Trevor-like schools go with the TT 99% of the time. If you knew how first choice letters work and brokering applicants, you’d know this. Trevor has a TON of flashy jerks in sports cars and houses out East too. They have worse pedigrees and personalities and can’t get into a TT because of that.

Got it, a couple good college acceptances. Go compare the median of Trevor with Trinity. lol

Did anyone say Trevor is better than Trinity? Nope. Please just stop. You are a pathetic child. You don't like Trevor. Got it. Move on. So sad. You are kind of actually making me like it more. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Actually, some posters say Trevor is better because you can avoid TT competition. The pathetic children are those who go to Trevor.

Go ahead, spend over a million with expected tuition increases on Trevor. An idiot is swindled every day. They’ll gladly take your money and don’t have a line out the door like the 2Ts

You are calling children pathetic? Speaking of pathetic...

Yep. Paying a fortune to avoid all those awful BIPOC students in the public schools they fear. That is why Trevor exists. It is a white flight school

I have first hand experience with both PS 9 and 199 - two of the whitest schools in the system. Private schools are usually way more diverse than the neighboring PSes.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't fathom why you would pay $600k for K - 8 and then send your kid to a SHS. Most of the value of a TT school is in high school.

I would rather my kid get the polish and small class sizes of private school when they are young (and avoid public middle which is a shitshow). They can move to SH and not compete with legacies/donors.

If you had any knowledge of how college admissions work, you would not say this. Also, there are many excellent public middle schools. My kids went to Booker T on the UWS and it was fantastic.

What's wrong with this?

The large SHSAT schools are very challenging for college. Hard to get APs, make teams, every single kid is gunning for limited leadership positions. Grading is unforgiving and your GPA might rest on getting lucky by not getting certain teachers known to be incompetent (but cannot be fired, because teachers union). If your kid is reasonably smart, they will look like a superstar coming from a 2T or 3T private, and have far, far better college options.

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Anonymous wrote:Basic take on tiers of private schools:

If $70k/year is a significant burden to you and you don't qualify for financial aid, your kid is almost certainly better off going to public school - even compared to a "TT" private where they would be one of the poor/unconnected kids - and having you use the ~$1.5M or so with interest that you saved to buy them their first house/apartment and start them off with a healthy savings account.

If $70k/year is something you can afford easily, going to Trevor or CGPS or Calhoun or LREI or Dwight or whatever is not likely to be *worse* for them then public school, and having a nice clean building with small class sizes and somebody to call about every little problem is a nice luxury.

Honestly I wouldn’t even put Trevor next to CGPS or LREI. Those have at least served long standing niches and communities. Trevor is a joke given how many better 3T schools there are close by.

I wasn't trying to make any sort of point about Trevor specifically but simply to say that even <insert whatever school you think is particularly mediocre here> will be fine for your kid if you have enough money not to care about the tuition.

The problem is, people with that sort of money get into TTs and 2Ts so long as the kid is passable and the parents aren’t jerks. Schools like Trevor attract the least desirable applicant families who fit the “enough money not to care” criteria

Not really. It actually has a lot of normal, down-to-earth families who don't want the drama of TT schools and want to avoid the opinionated jerks like the one who has derailed this thread. Particularly at the HS level. I actually do agree that for elementary I would probably pick PS9, 87, 199, etc.

Check out their 2026 IG page. It isn't TT but it is pretty good - Princeton and a bunch of Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, etc. I'm sure the snobs here will criticize it because it isn't all HYPS but that is not trash.

The cross admits of a TT and Trevor-like schools go with the TT 99% of the time. If you knew how first choice letters work and brokering applicants, you’d know this. Trevor has a TON of flashy jerks in sports cars and houses out East too. They have worse pedigrees and personalities and can’t get into a TT because of that.

Got it, a couple good college acceptances. Go compare the median of Trevor with Trinity. lol

Did anyone say Trevor is better than Trinity? Nope. Please just stop. You are a pathetic child. You don't like Trevor. Got it. Move on. So sad. You are kind of actually making me like it more. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Actually, some posters say Trevor is better because you can avoid TT competition. The pathetic children are those who go to Trevor.

Go ahead, spend over a million with expected tuition increases on Trevor. An idiot is swindled every day. They’ll gladly take your money and don’t have a line out the door like the 2Ts

You are calling children pathetic? Speaking of pathetic...

Yep. Paying a fortune to avoid all those awful BIPOC students in the public schools they fear. That is why Trevor exists. It is a white flight school