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Anonymous wrote:Regarding biphobia:

People need to learn to distinguish between a person judging/shaming someone for their sexual orientation, and people making personal choices about who they want to have sex with.

In other words, it is not biphobic for a straight person to want to have sex only with other straight people. It's just a sexual preference. It's no different from a gay man deciding he doesn't want to have sex with lesbians. Doesn't mean he is homophobic, it means he knows what he likes and it's not sex with lesbians.

Nope, wrong. It's a phobia. Why? Because you're either attracted to a person or you're not. It doesn't or shouldn't matter who else the person ypu're attracted to might also be attracted to -- so long as you're chief among the people they're attracted to.

Your argument only makes sense if you're saying you can only be attracted to anyone who is exclusively attracted to you. And that person doesn't exist.

The bolded is nonsensical. No one said they wanted a man who is only attracted to them, personally. I want any man I'm with to only be attracted to women. Not just me, but women generally as a group. The idea of a man who likes dick is a turn off to me. I'm not judging him. In fact, I hope he finds happiness and fulfillment. But not with me, because our sexualities are not compatible.

There are men who aren't attracted to me because of my body type. Are the "phobic" of women with my body type? No, they just have a sexual preference. I wish them well. I don't need every man on the planet to be open to the idea of having sex with me. Well why would bisexuality be any different? Some people might be into it, some people (like me) are not, some people are probably indifferent. What's the big deal?

There’s a huge difference between what you’re describing and with being bi. If a man isn’t attracted to you because of your “body type” that means he’s not attracted to you—plain and simple. And if you’re not attracted to him for the same reason it means the same thing—not attracted.

But if a man is attracted to you and also attracted to a man that doesn’t mean he isn’t attracted to you. And if you find him physically attractive not knowing he’s bi then that means you ARE attracted to him. It’s only once you discover that he’s also attracted to men that you lose the attraction. That’s the very definition of bi phobia.

You are getting it backwards. No one is confused about whether a bi person can be attracted to them. Of course they can.

The point is that people get to decide for themselves what is a turn on or a turn off, even if it seems "unfair" to the people they are not attracted to.

Some people are turned off by certain body types. That's not a phobia, it's just a sexual/romantically c preference. Like I have very small boobs, but some men prefer big boobs on women. That's fine, those men are not for me. I'm not accusing them of bring phobic of my body type.

Behavior can also impact attraction. For instance, if I find out a man has a history of certain kinds of drug use, it's a turn off. Even if he doesn't have a drug problem and was never addicted. I just don't want to be with someone who has, for instance, casually done cocaine. Not a phobia, and if a friend told me they sometimes used recreational drugs, it would not impact our friendship. But I don't want to have sex or a relationship with them.

Likewise, if a man told me he'd previously had sex with men and was bisexual, I would wish him well in life but would not want to date him. I'm not afraid of bisexuality or denying it's existence. It's just not for me. I only pursue relationships with straight men. That is my sexual preference.

Whether a bisexual man is attracted to me is beside the point, since if I know he's bi, I will not be attracted to him.

Anonymous wrote:If men could come out without stigma we would be shocked by the high percentage of men who are bisexual.

Unfortunately if you are wla woman married to a man or dating one chances of him telling you that he is bi are slim. And bisexual men are sexually attracted to both men and women so he will still have sex with you because he is likes both men and women

This could be true I guess. I don't know a single bisexual man in my friends group. But then again we don't discuss out sexual preferences. Women are more open talking on details about their sexual escapes with other women. We men, we just don't get into details.

I don't think any of my friends are sucking d**k on the side. But if they were, do I really care? I have so much to worry about retirement saving, college saving, out marriage, raising teens, planning for trips and on and on. I do not care if any of my friends were venturing into some "unconventional" sexual experiences. I personally do not like judging people for who they are or what they do. If a guy likes both men and women and he is married to a woman who knows about it or is cool with it or doesn't know that's their problem and their life.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding biphobia:

People need to learn to distinguish between a person judging/shaming someone for their sexual orientation, and people making personal choices about who they want to have sex with.

In other words, it is not biphobic for a straight person to want to have sex only with other straight people. It's just a sexual preference. It's no different from a gay man deciding he doesn't want to have sex with lesbians. Doesn't mean he is homophobic, it means he knows what he likes and it's not sex with lesbians.

Nope, wrong. It's a phobia. Why? Because you're either attracted to a person or you're not. It doesn't or shouldn't matter who else the person ypu're attracted to might also be attracted to -- so long as you're chief among the people they're attracted to.

Your argument only makes sense if you're saying you can only be attracted to anyone who is exclusively attracted to you. And that person doesn't exist.

The bolded is nonsensical. No one said they wanted a man who is only attracted to them, personally. I want any man I'm with to only be attracted to women. Not just me, but women generally as a group. The idea of a man who likes dick is a turn off to me. I'm not judging him. In fact, I hope he finds happiness and fulfillment. But not with me, because our sexualities are not compatible.

There are men who aren't attracted to me because of my body type. Are the "phobic" of women with my body type? No, they just have a sexual preference. I wish them well. I don't need every man on the planet to be open to the idea of having sex with me. Well why would bisexuality be any different? Some people might be into it, some people (like me) are not, some people are probably indifferent. What's the big deal?

There’s a huge difference between what you’re describing and with being bi. If a man isn’t attracted to you because of your “body type” that means he’s not attracted to you—plain and simple. And if you’re not attracted to him for the same reason it means the same thing—not attracted.

But if a man is attracted to you and also attracted to a man that doesn’t mean he isn’t attracted to you. And if you find him physically attractive not knowing he’s bi then that means you ARE attracted to him. It’s only once you discover that he’s also attracted to men that you lose the attraction. That’s the very definition of bi phobia.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory that the most sexual, masculine, athletic men are often bisexual but stifled by society. This is based on about a dozen guys I have been friends with throughout the years. I think bisexuality is more the norm for both sexes (look at ancient greece). It’s not a dig on your manhood or whatever if you are into sex with somebody.

That’s nice, sweetie. You did you. Or them. Whatevs.

There is NO WAY I’d date a guy who does other guys. Ewww no.

Its interesting. Men are more likely to be okay with dating a current or former bi woman, but women are not. Why is that? Can some women explain why.

I think it’s that we know the degrading and disgusting things these gay men do to each other (or want to do to each other) which is such a turn-off. I mean, just, ewww!

Isn’t most of it the same stuff we do with men or want to do with men?

No, it's obviously not. Lots of women view "A" as taboo and unacceptable for them. It's the main way gay men have sex. It's also inherently riskier in terms of STDs whereas lesbian sex is less risky than hetero sex in that respect.

Where are you getting this "statistic"? Ass, both in a penetrative sense and in an eating sense, isn't nearly as "taboo" as you're trying to make it, and plenty of women enjoy this (including gay women, which might surprise you). It's also not "the main way" gay men have sex, just A way.

You might have a minor argument re: STI risks, but most people old enough to have anal sex are aware of this and can choose to take precautions. All sex carries some risk, and the difference here isn't the major dealbreaker you're trying to make it out be.

NP. Um, yes it is.

"Girls" over a decade ago says otherwise, but go off.

It is wild you are using an intentionally provocative HBO show about young women in NYC as a reflection of general sexual attitudes. Do you think sibling incest is actually fine now because of Game of Thrones?

These shows includes sex like this BECAUSE it's taboo -- it makes headlines and gets people talking specifically because people find it shocking. You would also likely be surprised to discover how few people have actually even seen the show Girls, much less the episode you are talking about.

So, not to shame anyone for their kinks (I'm very live and let live in terms of what consenting adults want to do behind closed doors) but the vast majority of women have ZERO interest in anal sex, continue to find it taboo, and are not interested in a relationship with someone who wants it.

PP's point seems to be that, whatever the intention, this topic made it into mainstream discourse quite some time ago. Younger generations aren't as uptight about this supposed taboo as you seem to be.

It's fine to like what you like and dislike what you don't. You don't need to create some unsubstantiated "statistics" about "the vast majority of women" to back your point. And to the extent that surveys have been done, the pp is correct: anal/assplay isn't the taboo it used to be.

Sorry you're upset by that.

No one is upset, were' speaking factually. You can't assure that anal sex is no longer taboo when it is in fact still taboo for most women. The majority of women have never had anal sex, and among those that have, it is often not repeated. Anal sex in hetero couples is almost always initiated by the man. Women who have tried anal sex also tend to be confined to a narrow demographic group -- upper income women in their 20s who are coupled but not religious. That's not most women. It's some women.

So anal sex may have lost its taboo for a subset of heterosexual women. It has not lost its taboo for other hetero women. As long as anyone finds it taboo, it's still taboo, especially when that taboo still exists for the majority of heterosexual women.

Watching Marnie get her ass eaten out on an episode of Girls doesn't magically change that.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding biphobia:

People need to learn to distinguish between a person judging/shaming someone for their sexual orientation, and people making personal choices about who they want to have sex with.

In other words, it is not biphobic for a straight person to want to have sex only with other straight people. It's just a sexual preference. It's no different from a gay man deciding he doesn't want to have sex with lesbians. Doesn't mean he is homophobic, it means he knows what he likes and it's not sex with lesbians.

Nope, wrong. It's a phobia. Why? Because you're either attracted to a person or you're not. It doesn't or shouldn't matter who else the person ypu're attracted to might also be attracted to -- so long as you're chief among the people they're attracted to.

Your argument only makes sense if you're saying you can only be attracted to anyone who is exclusively attracted to you. And that person doesn't exist.

The bolded is nonsensical. No one said they wanted a man who is only attracted to them, personally. I want any man I'm with to only be attracted to women. Not just me, but women generally as a group. The idea of a man who likes dick is a turn off to me. I'm not judging him. In fact, I hope he finds happiness and fulfillment. But not with me, because our sexualities are not compatible.

There are men who aren't attracted to me because of my body type. Are the "phobic" of women with my body type? No, they just have a sexual preference. I wish them well. I don't need every man on the planet to be open to the idea of having sex with me. Well why would bisexuality be any different? Some people might be into it, some people (like me) are not, some people are probably indifferent. What's the big deal?

Does he ask you for AS? Thats how you know.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory that the most sexual, masculine, athletic men are often bisexual but stifled by society. This is based on about a dozen guys I have been friends with throughout the years. I think bisexuality is more the norm for both sexes (look at ancient greece). It’s not a dig on your manhood or whatever if you are into sex with somebody.

That’s nice, sweetie. You did you. Or them. Whatevs.

There is NO WAY I’d date a guy who does other guys. Ewww no.

Its interesting. Men are more likely to be okay with dating a current or former bi woman, but women are not. Why is that? Can some women explain why.

I think it’s that we know the degrading and disgusting things these gay men do to each other (or want to do to each other) which is such a turn-off. I mean, just, ewww!

Isn’t most of it the same stuff we do with men or want to do with men?

No, it's obviously not. Lots of women view "A" as taboo and unacceptable for them. It's the main way gay men have sex. It's also inherently riskier in terms of STDs whereas lesbian sex is less risky than hetero sex in that respect.

Where are you getting this "statistic"? Ass, both in a penetrative sense and in an eating sense, isn't nearly as "taboo" as you're trying to make it, and plenty of women enjoy this (including gay women, which might surprise you). It's also not "the main way" gay men have sex, just A way.

You might have a minor argument re: STI risks, but most people old enough to have anal sex are aware of this and can choose to take precautions. All sex carries some risk, and the difference here isn't the major dealbreaker you're trying to make it out be.

NP. Um, yes it is.

"Girls" over a decade ago says otherwise, but go off.

It is wild you are using an intentionally provocative HBO show about young women in NYC as a reflection of general sexual attitudes. Do you think sibling incest is actually fine now because of Game of Thrones?

These shows includes sex like this BECAUSE it's taboo -- it makes headlines and gets people talking specifically because people find it shocking. You would also likely be surprised to discover how few people have actually even seen the show Girls, much less the episode you are talking about.

So, not to shame anyone for their kinks (I'm very live and let live in terms of what consenting adults want to do behind closed doors) but the vast majority of women have ZERO interest in anal sex, continue to find it taboo, and are not interested in a relationship with someone who wants it.

PP's point seems to be that, whatever the intention, this topic made it into mainstream discourse quite some time ago. Younger generations aren't as uptight about this supposed taboo as you seem to be.

It's fine to like what you like and dislike what you don't. You don't need to create some unsubstantiated "statistics" about "the vast majority of women" to back your point. And to the extent that surveys have been done, the pp is correct: anal/assplay isn't the taboo it used to be.

Sorry you're upset by that.

Anonymous wrote:Regarding biphobia:

People need to learn to distinguish between a person judging/shaming someone for their sexual orientation, and people making personal choices about who they want to have sex with.

In other words, it is not biphobic for a straight person to want to have sex only with other straight people. It's just a sexual preference. It's no different from a gay man deciding he doesn't want to have sex with lesbians. Doesn't mean he is homophobic, it means he knows what he likes and it's not sex with lesbians.

Nope, wrong. It's a phobia. Why? Because you're either attracted to a person or you're not. It doesn't or shouldn't matter who else the person ypu're attracted to might also be attracted to -- so long as you're chief among the people they're attracted to.

Your argument only makes sense if you're saying you can only be attracted to anyone who is exclusively attracted to you. And that person doesn't exist.

If men could come out without stigma we would be shocked by the high percentage of men who are bisexual.

Unfortunately if you are wla woman married to a man or dating one chances of him telling you that he is bi are slim. And bisexual men are sexually attracted to both men and women so he will still have sex with you because he is likes both men and women

Anonymous wrote:How would know if a man is bi? Are there tell-tell signs?

You ask him


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Regarding biphobia:

People need to learn to distinguish between a person judging/shaming someone for their sexual orientation, and people making personal choices about who they want to have sex with.

In other words, it is not biphobic for a straight person to want to have sex only with other straight people. It's just a sexual preference. It's no different from a gay man deciding he doesn't want to have sex with lesbians. Doesn't mean he is homophobic, it means he knows what he likes and it's not sex with lesbians.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory that the most sexual, masculine, athletic men are often bisexual but stifled by society. This is based on about a dozen guys I have been friends with throughout the years. I think bisexuality is more the norm for both sexes (look at ancient greece). It’s not a dig on your manhood or whatever if you are into sex with somebody.

That’s nice, sweetie. You did you. Or them. Whatevs.

There is NO WAY I’d date a guy who does other guys. Ewww no.

Its interesting. Men are more likely to be okay with dating a current or former bi woman, but women are not. Why is that? Can some women explain why.

I think it’s that we know the degrading and disgusting things these gay men do to each other (or want to do to each other) which is such a turn-off. I mean, just, ewww!

Isn’t most of it the same stuff we do with men or want to do with men?

No, it's obviously not. Lots of women view "A" as taboo and unacceptable for them. It's the main way gay men have sex. It's also inherently riskier in terms of STDs whereas lesbian sex is less risky than hetero sex in that respect.

Where are you getting this "statistic"? Ass, both in a penetrative sense and in an eating sense, isn't nearly as "taboo" as you're trying to make it, and plenty of women enjoy this (including gay women, which might surprise you). It's also not "the main way" gay men have sex, just A way.

You might have a minor argument re: STI risks, but most people old enough to have anal sex are aware of this and can choose to take precautions. All sex carries some risk, and the difference here isn't the major dealbreaker you're trying to make it out be.

NP. Um, yes it is.

"Girls" over a decade ago says otherwise, but go off.

It is wild you are using an intentionally provocative HBO show about young women in NYC as a reflection of general sexual attitudes. Do you think sibling incest is actually fine now because of Game of Thrones?

These shows includes sex like this BECAUSE it's taboo -- it makes headlines and gets people talking specifically because people find it shocking. You would also likely be surprised to discover how few people have actually even seen the show Girls, much less the episode you are talking about.

So, not to shame anyone for their kinks (I'm very live and let live in terms of what consenting adults want to do behind closed doors) but the vast majority of women have ZERO interest in anal sex, continue to find it taboo, and are not interested in a relationship with someone who wants it.

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Anonymous wrote:How would know if a man is bi? Are there tell-tell signs?

Yes. Does he like to suck cock? That’s a sign.

Agreed… Even if he sucks your $trap0n like he’s sucking a man, he’s bi.

No, sucking an strap-on makes you a person who likes sucking strap-ons, and possibly a person with fantasies. It doesn't make you bi.

The biphobia on this thread is effing wild!

No, it makes you like sucking d’s

… which is a great test to see if he’s bi.

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Anonymous wrote:How would know if a man is bi? Are there tell-tell signs?

Yes. Does he like to suck cock? That’s a sign.

Agreed… Even if he sucks your $trap0n like he’s sucking a man, he’s bi.

No, sucking an strap-on makes you a person who likes sucking strap-ons, and possibly a person with fantasies. It doesn't make you bi.

The biphobia on this thread is effing wild!

No, it makes you like sucking d’s

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory that the most sexual, masculine, athletic men are often bisexual but stifled by society. This is based on about a dozen guys I have been friends with throughout the years. I think bisexuality is more the norm for both sexes (look at ancient greece). It’s not a dig on your manhood or whatever if you are into sex with somebody.

I agree with this. All the men I know in traditionally "masculine" spheres - sports, the military, etc - report a LOT of homoerotic activity with other men. It's always done under the guide of "joking", but these men seem awfully eager to whip their d!cks out around other men.

If it were socially acceptable I think most men would at the very least experiment.

I heard some straight men in prison are so horny that they start f**g other men.