Anonymous wrote:If there isn't an accident then it doesn't matter. The existence or not of the hypothetical accident is the primary determinent. Accident prevention is what is important.

But that's neither here nor there for this thread. This thread is about the impact bike lanes have had on snow removal and whether resources should be diverted during a snow emergency to clear bike lanes before streets, roads, sidewalks and crosswalks.

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Anonymous wrote:How hard is this to understand?:

You're misrepresenting what the research says. What happens when cars hit people is highly sensitive to what you assume about the circumstances of the accident. Change your assumptions and the numbers change dramatically.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

The police call them "speed-related fatalities," which would seem to cover your concerns.

There is a chart in one of the reports that is titled “speed-related fatalities”. And if you actually read the report, you will see this explained to the the number of fatal crashes where speed was deemed to be the primary cause (although the methodology of how that determination is made is never explained).

But, again, this has been pointed out in other threads on this forum. Please accept our collective sympathies that you can not remember the clarifications that you have been previously provided to you, but we would really appreciate it if you could stop spreading misinformation that is probably even more damaging to public safety than the anti-vaxxing nonsense.

I didn't know there were weird conspiracy theories about police statistics.

Bicyclists are mad that the police (who actually investigate what happened in traffic accidents) attribute so few traffic deaths to speeding. So now we have people shouting "fake news" about police reports.

Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to not understand the difference between attributing a crash death to speeding and designating speeding as the primary cause of a crash? Are you really an idiot or do you just play one on here?

You seem to be conflating necessary and sufficient causes. You can't have a fire without oxygen, so, by your logic, you'd say the presence of oxygen causes fires.

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far in 2026, more people have been killed on the roads (https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data) than have been murdered (https://mpdc.dc.gov/am/dailycrime).

It’s wonderful that crime appears to have fallen so sharply and we can only hope that this continues.

However, that so many people are dying on DC roads is unsurprising to many of us who witness that moronic behavior of some drivers on our streets.

You get the award for most egregious misrepresentation of statistics. Here's more than a decade's worth of data, which is a tad more reliable than what random things happened in the past four weeks.

2024: 20 killed by speeding drivers, 187 murdered
2023: 22 killed by speeding drivers, 274 murdered
2022: 9 killed by speeding drivers, 203 murdered
2021: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 226 murdered
2020: 15 killed by speeding drivers, 198 murdered
2019: 10 killed by speeding drivers, 166 murdered
2018: 9 killed by speeding drivers, 160 murdered
2017: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 116 murdered
2016: 8 killed by speeding drivers, 135 murdered
2015: 11 killed by speeding drivers, 162 murdered
2014: 12 killed by speeding drivers, 105 murdered
2013: 11 killed by speeding drivers, 104 murdered

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

The police call them "speed-related fatalities," which would seem to cover your concerns.

There is a chart in one of the reports that is titled “speed-related fatalities”. And if you actually read the report, you will see this explained to the the number of fatal crashes where speed was deemed to be the primary cause (although the methodology of how that determination is made is never explained).

But, again, this has been pointed out in other threads on this forum. Please accept our collective sympathies that you can not remember the clarifications that you have been previously provided to you, but we would really appreciate it if you could stop spreading misinformation that is probably even more damaging to public safety than the anti-vaxxing nonsense.

I didn't know there were weird conspiracy theories about police statistics.

Bicyclists are mad that the police (who actually investigate what happened in traffic accidents) attribute so few traffic deaths to speeding. So now we have people shouting "fake news" about police reports.

Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to not understand the difference between attributing a crash death to speeding and designating speeding as the primary cause of a crash? Are you really an idiot or do you just play one on here?

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

The police call them "speed-related fatalities," which would seem to cover your concerns.

There is a chart in one of the reports that is titled “speed-related fatalities”. And if you actually read the report, you will see this explained to the the number of fatal crashes where speed was deemed to be the primary cause (although the methodology of how that determination is made is never explained).

But, again, this has been pointed out in other threads on this forum. Please accept our collective sympathies that you can not remember the clarifications that you have been previously provided to you, but we would really appreciate it if you could stop spreading misinformation that is probably even more damaging to public safety than the anti-vaxxing nonsense.

I didn't know there were weird conspiracy theories about police statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

The police call them "speed-related fatalities," which would seem to cover your concerns.

There is a chart in one of the reports that is titled “speed-related fatalities”. And if you actually read the report, you will see this explained to the the number of fatal crashes where speed was deemed to be the primary cause (although the methodology of how that determination is made is never explained).

But, again, this has been pointed out in other threads on this forum. Please accept our collective sympathies that you can not remember the clarifications that you have been previously provided to you, but we would really appreciate it if you could stop spreading misinformation that is probably even more damaging to public safety than the anti-vaxxing nonsense.

I didn't know there were weird conspiracy theories about police statistics.

Bicyclists are mad that the police (who actually investigate what happened in traffic accidents) attribute so few traffic deaths to speeding. So now we have people shouting "fake news" about police reports.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

The police call them "speed-related fatalities," which would seem to cover your concerns.

There is a chart in one of the reports that is titled “speed-related fatalities”. And if you actually read the report, you will see this explained to the the number of fatal crashes where speed was deemed to be the primary cause (although the methodology of how that determination is made is never explained).

But, again, this has been pointed out in other threads on this forum. Please accept our collective sympathies that you can not remember the clarifications that you have been previously provided to you, but we would really appreciate it if you could stop spreading misinformation that is probably even more damaging to public safety than the anti-vaxxing nonsense.

I didn't know there were weird conspiracy theories about police statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

The police call them "speed-related fatalities," which would seem to cover your concerns.

There is a chart in one of the reports that is titled “speed-related fatalities”. And if you actually read the report, you will see this explained to the the number of fatal crashes where speed was deemed to be the primary cause (although the methodology of how that determination is made is never explained).

But, again, this has been pointed out in other threads on this forum. Please accept our collective sympathies that you can not remember the clarifications that you have been previously provided to you, but we would really appreciate it if you could stop spreading misinformation that is probably even more damaging to public safety than the anti-vaxxing nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

This is completely wrong and awfully offensive to people who've had loved ones killed by drivers who were going the speed limit.

I think the issue is that person is misinterpreting studies showing fatalities generally declining with speed. They do decline, but only incrementally and they're talking about averages across large numbers of people. They're definitely not saying you won't die if the car isn't speeding.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened between 2022 and 2023? Isn't that when all the new safety measures were introduced?

The data that have been posted are not being represented correctly. These are not the numbers of people killed on DC streets by speeding drivers because no such data exists.

The data instead represents the number of people who were killed in a crash where speeding was determined to be the primary cause of the crash.

As most of us know, crashes often have multiple causes. A drunk person may be speeding, swerving recklessly, not paying attention, lose control of their vehicle, fail to yield, and kill someone. Take away any one of those factors and there is no crash or at least no fatality.

A couple of years ago, a pedestrian was killed on a crosswalk near where I live. The pedestrian was knocked over a hundred feet and it seems very clear as a result that the driver was speeding. But the driver was charged with failing to yield and so that presumably was designated as the primary cause.

This is a long way of making the point that the number of people who have been killed by speeding drivers is not the same as the number of people who were killed in crashes where speeding was deemed to be the primary cause.

Why someone on here wants to intentionally mislead others and minimize the public health hazard posed by speeding, I have no idea. But it is shameful and Jeff really should be deleting those comments.

The police call them "speed-related fatalities," which would seem to cover your concerns.