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Anonymous wrote:While I think it’s insane they haven’t vacxed their kids, there are now unvaccinated kids all around us. But you just don’t know. I guess I wonder how your risk is any different?

+1

Yes, not vaccinating your kids is dumb and irresponsible. But this isn't a question about your in-laws parenting skills or intelligence. The question is about your family's safety.

Agree with keeping the 2 month old away for a whole host of reasons.

I think this thought exercise will help: If these kids were unvaccinated because they had an allergy to a vaccine ingredient, would you still send your fully 2 year old to spend time with his cousins? Of course you would. Probably worth checking the news in the days leading up to the trip - if there's an active outbreak of measles in either the town where you are going OR in the town your relatives are coming from, it might make sense to cancel (as it would if they were unvaccinated for Good reasons). But in a state of herd immunity, which most places in the country are still at/close to and which certainly, assuming you're in the DC area, your social circle almost certainly is in, a single unvaccinated family is not a big risk.

Unvaccinated people are all around us. Those doing it by choice are dumb, and collectively, they're opening this country up to risk, but one family is not a real risk to your vaccinated 2 year old. There have always, and will always, be people who are unvaccinated due to age or medical conditions. The car ride to the beach is probably 1000x more dangerous to your kids.

PP here to add - while I think the risk is very low and your husband and 2 year old should go for that reason, it's also worth spelling out that there is a reward for going. Cousin relationships can really be wonderful, and it sounds like your kids have a whole host of cousins who are close-ish to their ages. I know that doesn't feel valuable with a 2 year old and a newborn, but it is, and as your kids age, it can really become wonderful. We've spent a lot of vacations with my kids' cousins (both sides) since the first was born, but it's just in the past year or two (my oldest is 5) that I've gotten to see what a wonderful, magical gift that is to the kids. They LOVE their cousins and they love playing with them, and they have just so much joy and fun when they see them. There's also a risk of your kids missing out (esp. since their vaccine status isn't going to change - these are the cousins your kids have) that is worth considering.

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Anonymous wrote:While I think it’s insane they haven’t vacxed their kids, there are now unvaccinated kids all around us. But you just don’t know. I guess I wonder how your risk is any different?

Yes… we walk among the living! My 3 year old is unvaxxed. Her 4 older siblings have all their shots.

So you don't like that last one as much or what?

I think it was the Covid insanity and believe the science at all costs hysteria. Remember the shot coercion? I lived in Maine where they pressed that shit hard. No exemptions. Blah blah blah. So no, it’s more of a I won’t be rushed into sticking unknown garbage into my baby by a harried healthcare worker who leaves a printout and can’t tell me how this Science (tm) works.

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Anonymous wrote:ER doctor here and it’s worse than that. Posters like the one above who refer to vaccines as “unknown garbage” are also the patients who are rudest to the nurses, will ask me for a blanket as I’m literally running to a coding patient, and complain about “the wait” while they’re sitting in the waiting room of a level 1 trauma center for their chief complaint of cold symptoms. Bonus points if they’ve already visited urgent care and have had negative Covid/flu swabs/CXR and want a “second opinion” (ie antibiotics for their viral syndrome). I once had the husband of an anti-science patient demand to see “the ingredient list” on a bag of normal saline. I told him he could stay or leave, his choice, and Google whatever he wanted. But I wasn’t brining him bags of IV fluids to review for his “own research”. These folks don’t believe in science and aren’t bright enough to understand it anyway. In the ER we ignore their hot takes and keep it moving. My friends in Peds don’t have that luxury. God bless the AAP for suing the feds.

You don't have time to show a patient what is in their medicine but you have time to post on DCUM? What ER are you at doc?

Saline is salt and water. It's not medicine. Hope that helps.

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Anonymous wrote:ER doctor here and it’s worse than that. Posters like the one above who refer to vaccines as “unknown garbage” are also the patients who are rudest to the nurses, will ask me for a blanket as I’m literally running to a coding patient, and complain about “the wait” while they’re sitting in the waiting room of a level 1 trauma center for their chief complaint of cold symptoms. Bonus points if they’ve already visited urgent care and have had negative Covid/flu swabs/CXR and want a “second opinion” (ie antibiotics for their viral syndrome). I once had the husband of an anti-science patient demand to see “the ingredient list” on a bag of normal saline. I told him he could stay or leave, his choice, and Google whatever he wanted. But I wasn’t brining him bags of IV fluids to review for his “own research”. These folks don’t believe in science and aren’t bright enough to understand it anyway. In the ER we ignore their hot takes and keep it moving. My friends in Peds don’t have that luxury. God bless the AAP for suing the feds.

You don't have time to show a patient what is in their medicine but you have time to post on DCUM? What ER are you at doc?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doctor here and it’s worse than that. Posters like the one above who refer to vaccines as “unknown garbage” are also the patients who are rudest to the nurses, will ask me for a blanket as I’m literally running to a coding patient, and complain about “the wait” while they’re sitting in the waiting room of a level 1 trauma center for their chief complaint of cold symptoms. Bonus points if they’ve already visited urgent care and have had negative Covid/flu swabs/CXR and want a “second opinion” (ie antibiotics for their viral syndrome). I once had the husband of an anti-science patient demand to see “the ingredient list” on a bag of normal saline. I told him he could stay or leave, his choice, and Google whatever he wanted. But I wasn’t brining him bags of IV fluids to review for his “own research”. These folks don’t believe in science and aren’t bright enough to understand it anyway. In the ER we ignore their hot takes and keep it moving. My friends in Peds don’t have that luxury. God bless the AAP for suing the feds.

You don't have time to show a patient what is in their medicine but you have time to post on DCUM? What ER are you at doc?

Saline is not medicine, dumb dumb

Tell me you’re not a doctor without telling me you’re not a doctor.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doctor here and it’s worse than that. Posters like the one above who refer to vaccines as “unknown garbage” are also the patients who are rudest to the nurses, will ask me for a blanket as I’m literally running to a coding patient, and complain about “the wait” while they’re sitting in the waiting room of a level 1 trauma center for their chief complaint of cold symptoms. Bonus points if they’ve already visited urgent care and have had negative Covid/flu swabs/CXR and want a “second opinion” (ie antibiotics for their viral syndrome). I once had the husband of an anti-science patient demand to see “the ingredient list” on a bag of normal saline. I told him he could stay or leave, his choice, and Google whatever he wanted. But I wasn’t brining him bags of IV fluids to review for his “own research”. These folks don’t believe in science and aren’t bright enough to understand it anyway. In the ER we ignore their hot takes and keep it moving. My friends in Peds don’t have that luxury. God bless the AAP for suing the feds.

You don't have time to show a patient what is in their medicine but you have time to post on DCUM? What ER are you at doc?

Saline is not medicine, dumb dumb

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Anonymous wrote:ER doctor here and it’s worse than that. Posters like the one above who refer to vaccines as “unknown garbage” are also the patients who are rudest to the nurses, will ask me for a blanket as I’m literally running to a coding patient, and complain about “the wait” while they’re sitting in the waiting room of a level 1 trauma center for their chief complaint of cold symptoms. Bonus points if they’ve already visited urgent care and have had negative Covid/flu swabs/CXR and want a “second opinion” (ie antibiotics for their viral syndrome). I once had the husband of an anti-science patient demand to see “the ingredient list” on a bag of normal saline. I told him he could stay or leave, his choice, and Google whatever he wanted. But I wasn’t brining him bags of IV fluids to review for his “own research”. These folks don’t believe in science and aren’t bright enough to understand it anyway. In the ER we ignore their hot takes and keep it moving. My friends in Peds don’t have that luxury. God bless the AAP for suing the feds.

You don't have time to show a patient what is in their medicine but you have time to post on DCUM? What ER are you at doc?

Anonymous wrote:ER doctor here and it’s worse than that. Posters like the one above who refer to vaccines as “unknown garbage” are also the patients who are rudest to the nurses, will ask me for a blanket as I’m literally running to a coding patient, and complain about “the wait” while they’re sitting in the waiting room of a level 1 trauma center for their chief complaint of cold symptoms. Bonus points if they’ve already visited urgent care and have had negative Covid/flu swabs/CXR and want a “second opinion” (ie antibiotics for their viral syndrome). I once had the husband of an anti-science patient demand to see “the ingredient list” on a bag of normal saline. I told him he could stay or leave, his choice, and Google whatever he wanted. But I wasn’t brining him bags of IV fluids to review for his “own research”. These folks don’t believe in science and aren’t bright enough to understand it anyway. In the ER we ignore their hot takes and keep it moving. My friends in Peds don’t have that luxury. God bless the AAP for suing the feds.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know the vaccination status of every single person within 3 feet of your kids?

You are being ridiculous OP. And if I were your IL's family I would be hating on you so hard.

Not OP and no I do not. This is why I choose providers who do not see unvaccinated children. This is why I send my child to a school that requires vaccinations. This is why I dont have playdates with people who are open about not vaccinating. I act on the information I do have. Being shunned is no fun, I know, but it is the consequence for your dumb actions.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kids are fully vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about. Let the other families worry about their own.

This.
Being unvaccinated is not contagious condition.
OP, you understand how vaccines work? The ones who are vaccinated are immune. The ones who are not can catch the virus and are unable to fight it off.

Your vaccinated child can be around measle-y kids and will not get measles.
The unvaccinated cousins are not sickened by a virus - yet.

If your 2 month old is out and about in the world, that 2 month old is being exposed to all sorts of viruses and building up standard immunities. The only thing you need to worry about with your family is their kids getting sick with measles, mumps, rubella, any and all poxes, are contagious and spending that contagious time indoors with your unvaccinated child. Meaning, either they are already sick and bringing it with them to the rental or they catch one of those illnesses during the rental time.
Those who are vaccinated will not get sick under those conditions.

Anonymous wrote:ER doctor here and it’s worse than that. Posters like the one above who refer to vaccines as “unknown garbage” are also the patients who are rudest to the nurses, will ask me for a blanket as I’m literally running to a coding patient, and complain about “the wait” while they’re sitting in the waiting room of a level 1 trauma center for their chief complaint of cold symptoms. Bonus points if they’ve already visited urgent care and have had negative Covid/flu swabs/CXR and want a “second opinion” (ie antibiotics for their viral syndrome). I once had the husband of an anti-science patient demand to see “the ingredient list” on a bag of normal saline. I told him he could stay or leave, his choice, and Google whatever he wanted. But I wasn’t brining him bags of IV fluids to review for his “own research”. These folks don’t believe in science and aren’t bright enough to understand it anyway. In the ER we ignore their hot takes and keep it moving. My friends in Peds don’t have that luxury. God bless the AAP for suing the feds.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I think it’s insane they haven’t vacxed their kids, there are now unvaccinated kids all around us. But you just don’t know. I guess I wonder how your risk is any different?

Yes… we walk among the living! My 3 year old is unvaxxed. Her 4 older siblings have all their shots.

So you don't like that last one as much or what?

I think it was the Covid insanity and believe the science at all costs hysteria. Remember the shot coercion? I lived in Maine where they pressed that shit hard. No exemptions. Blah blah blah. So no, it’s more of a I won’t be rushed into sticking unknown garbage into my baby by a harried healthcare worker who leaves a printout and can’t tell me how this Science (tm) works.

Covid definitely made you insane. Just curious - when you run to the ERs begging for help, do you ask for the science behind the drugs you are begging for to save your life? Do you ask for the science of your supplements?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I think it’s insane they haven’t vacxed their kids, there are now unvaccinated kids all around us. But you just don’t know. I guess I wonder how your risk is any different?

Yes… we walk among the living! My 3 year old is unvaxxed. Her 4 older siblings have all their shots.

So you don't like that last one as much or what?

I think it was the Covid insanity and believe the science at all costs hysteria. Remember the shot coercion? I lived in Maine where they pressed that shit hard. No exemptions. Blah blah blah. So no, it’s more of a I won’t be rushed into sticking unknown garbage into my baby by a harried healthcare worker who leaves a printout and can’t tell me how this Science (tm) works.