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Anonymous wrote:Thanks everyone, I wanted to come back to a few things.

One is that I read here people saying that fat and protein are issues, but when I put the data for what she eats into the cronometer app, it comes back at high levels for those two nutrients.

The place where I had more the most trouble getting enough in were iron, calcium, and vitamin D (although my kids are already on vitamin D supplements on the advice of the Dr.). I could get those two in, but I had to move things around, and I feel like when I tried to follow the recommendation to serve iron rich foods at meals with no dairy substitutes, I had more of an issue.

Any suggestions on those two nutrients?

Also, someone mentioned concerns with soy. Can you elaborate?

Soy milk and processed, non fermented soy products like soy milk are full of estrogen.

I thought this was common knowledge.

A vegan, or anyone with children, dhould know this.

Fermented soy like miso and soy sauce are not a problem. Processed soy is.

Someone should alert Asia!!!

Asia uses a ton of pork, eggs, fish, seafood and chicken broth in just about every meal.

They also eat eggs daily (asian breakfast, anyone?) And they do not drink soy milk or fake overprocessed vegan "meat" products.. Their yogurt is dairy based. The asian diet is sooooo far from vegan, even if they eat a lot more veggies than the typical American.

There is no single “Asian” diet. There certain are diets in Asian that are vegan. Look at Jain diets and Buddhist Temple food.

But the post about Asian food was in response to the statement that soy is bad for you. Several Asian diets, notably Japanese are high is soy, and also associated with long lives, which is what the PP was pointing out.

You didn't read that post.

It said processed soy like soy "milk" is bad for you but fermented soy like miso and tofu are fine.

Tofu isn’t fermented, and soy milk is considered to be in the same “whole soy” category as tofu. The whole soy category is what is associated with lower risks of cancer. Soy sauce is an example of processed soy.

And soy does contain “estrogen”. It contains phytoestrogens, which have some of the same chemical properties but not the same functional properties as estrogen.

The only thing that was true in the post that I did read is that miso is ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks everyone, I wanted to come back to a few things.

One is that I read here people saying that fat and protein are issues, but when I put the data for what she eats into the cronometer app, it comes back at high levels for those two nutrients.

The place where I had more the most trouble getting enough in were iron, calcium, and vitamin D (although my kids are already on vitamin D supplements on the advice of the Dr.). I could get those two in, but I had to move things around, and I feel like when I tried to follow the recommendation to serve iron rich foods at meals with no dairy substitutes, I had more of an issue.

Any suggestions on those two nutrients?

Also, someone mentioned concerns with soy. Can you elaborate?

Soy milk and processed, non fermented soy products like soy milk are full of estrogen.

I thought this was common knowledge.

A vegan, or anyone with children, dhould know this.

Fermented soy like miso and soy sauce are not a problem. Processed soy is.

OP here,

I thought that had been debunked a long time ago, but I reviewed the literature again. It has been debunked. Looking at sources online that I consider reputable, what I see is that phytoestrogens are different from the kind of estrogen in humans, and don't pose a risk.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28838083/ (Soy does not have short term negative impact on adolescents, and long term can be linked to reduction in breast cancer rates)

https://nutrition.org/eating-more-soy-foods-could-improve-thinking-and-attention-in-kids/ (Eating more soy could improve thinking and attention in kids)

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/childrens-health/in-depth/nutrition-for-kids/art-20049335 (Includes soy foods in it's recommendation for children's diets)

What I see says that foods that contain the whole soybean (edamame, tofu, soymilk) are safe healthy choices that may have some protective factors, particularly against breast cancer later. Fermented soy (miso, tempeh) has particular benefits.

Soy sauce, soy oil, and soy protein isolate have issues, but those issues seem to be consistent with other similar foods, and come from the salt, fat and ultraprocessing.

Infant soy formula is a different issue, and not relevant to my 11 year old.

Given that I continue to feel safe with a few servings a day of edamame, tofu, tempeh, or soy curls, and using miso regularly.

We don't do protein powders, or protein bars, or shakes.

We've also chosen other plant milks than soy just to vary the protein in her diet.

We do like soy sauce, but that's not something we added to our diets due to veganism.

You are absolutely right. It’s actually very good for women, young and old, to consume soy daily.

Not processed soy

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks everyone, I wanted to come back to a few things.

One is that I read here people saying that fat and protein are issues, but when I put the data for what she eats into the cronometer app, it comes back at high levels for those two nutrients.

The place where I had more the most trouble getting enough in were iron, calcium, and vitamin D (although my kids are already on vitamin D supplements on the advice of the Dr.). I could get those two in, but I had to move things around, and I feel like when I tried to follow the recommendation to serve iron rich foods at meals with no dairy substitutes, I had more of an issue.

Any suggestions on those two nutrients?

Also, someone mentioned concerns with soy. Can you elaborate?

Soy milk and processed, non fermented soy products like soy milk are full of estrogen.

I thought this was common knowledge.

A vegan, or anyone with children, dhould know this.

Fermented soy like miso and soy sauce are not a problem. Processed soy is.

Someone should alert Asia!!!

Asia uses a ton of pork, eggs, fish, seafood and chicken broth in just about every meal.

They also eat eggs daily (asian breakfast, anyone?) And they do not drink soy milk or fake overprocessed vegan "meat" products.. Their yogurt is dairy based. The asian diet is sooooo far from vegan, even if they eat a lot more veggies than the typical American.

There is no single “Asian” diet. There certain are diets in Asian that are vegan. Look at Jain diets and Buddhist Temple food.

But the post about Asian food was in response to the statement that soy is bad for you. Several Asian diets, notably Japanese are high is soy, and also associated with long lives, which is what the PP was pointing out.

You didn't read that post.

It said processed soy like soy "milk" is bad for you but fermented soy like miso and tofu are fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

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Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.[/quote]

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP. [/quote]

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me. [/quote]

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?[/quote]

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't [b]push[/b] my child to become vegan, but I did [b]push[/b] them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier. [/quote]

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?[/quote]

We’d talk about it. I would certainly be interested to hear her perspective, because that wouldn’t be consistent with other choices I see her making.

But in the end, not doing home work is a choice that conflicts with my values. So I would probably say no.

Eating vegan does not conflict with my values, so obviously I would respond differently.
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It may not conflict with your values, but it should conflict with your smarts.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

7.3 billion animals die annually because of crop production. https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2018/07/how-many-animals-killed-in-agriculture/

The article you linked quotes multiple people saying that figure isn’t accurate.

However, even though it’s a sad statistic, it’s important to understand that in the US about 2/3 of crop production goes to feeding livestock. Given that on average, a farm animal eats about 8 times as many calories as it produces, we can guess that about 8 times as many acres of crops are needed to feed it, compared to the number of acres it would take to feed the human who decides to eat plants instead. Switching from animals to plants as food sources saves both farm animals and wild animals killed when growing crops.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

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Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.[/quote]

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP. [/quote]

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me. [/quote]

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?[/quote]

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't [b]push[/b] my child to become vegan, but I did [b]push[/b] them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier. [/quote]

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?[/quote]

We’d talk about it. I would certainly be interested to hear her perspective, because that wouldn’t be consistent with other choices I see her making.

But in the end, not doing home work is a choice that conflicts with my values. So I would probably say no.

Eating vegan does not conflict with my values, so obviously I would respond differently.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

Anonymous wrote:Thanks everyone, I wanted to come back to a few things.

One is that I read here people saying that fat and protein are issues, but when I put the data for what she eats into the cronometer app, it comes back at high levels for those two nutrients.

The place where I had more the most trouble getting enough in were iron, calcium, and vitamin D (although my kids are already on vitamin D supplements on the advice of the Dr.). I could get those two in, but I had to move things around, and I feel like when I tried to follow the recommendation to serve iron rich foods at meals with no dairy substitutes, I had more of an issue.

Any suggestions on those two nutrients?

Also, someone mentioned concerns with soy. Can you elaborate?

Iron sources:
“The healthiest iron sources are whole grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, dried fruits, and green, leafy vegetables, which can be paired at the same meal with vitamin C-rich foods such as citrus, bell peppers, broccoli, and tropical fruits to boost iron absorption”

Calcium sources:
“Dark green leafy vegetables, like kale, broccoli, and bok choy, are relatively rich in calcium that is absorbed about twice as well as the calcium in milk.”

Both from nutritionfacts.org

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks everyone, I wanted to come back to a few things.

One is that I read here people saying that fat and protein are issues, but when I put the data for what she eats into the cronometer app, it comes back at high levels for those two nutrients.

The place where I had more the most trouble getting enough in were iron, calcium, and vitamin D (although my kids are already on vitamin D supplements on the advice of the Dr.). I could get those two in, but I had to move things around, and I feel like when I tried to follow the recommendation to serve iron rich foods at meals with no dairy substitutes, I had more of an issue.

Any suggestions on those two nutrients?

Also, someone mentioned concerns with soy. Can you elaborate?

Soy milk and processed, non fermented soy products like soy milk are full of estrogen.

I thought this was common knowledge.

A vegan, or anyone with children, dhould know this.

Fermented soy like miso and soy sauce are not a problem. Processed soy is.

OP here,

I thought that had been debunked a long time ago, but I reviewed the literature again. It has been debunked. Looking at sources online that I consider reputable, what I see is that phytoestrogens are different from the kind of estrogen in humans, and don't pose a risk.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28838083/ (Soy does not have short term negative impact on adolescents, and long term can be linked to reduction in breast cancer rates)

https://nutrition.org/eating-more-soy-foods-could-improve-thinking-and-attention-in-kids/ (Eating more soy could improve thinking and attention in kids)

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/childrens-health/in-depth/nutrition-for-kids/art-20049335 (Includes soy foods in it's recommendation for children's diets)

What I see says that foods that contain the whole soybean (edamame, tofu, soymilk) are safe healthy choices that may have some protective factors, particularly against breast cancer later. Fermented soy (miso, tempeh) has particular benefits.

Soy sauce, soy oil, and soy protein isolate have issues, but those issues seem to be consistent with other similar foods, and come from the salt, fat and ultraprocessing.

Infant soy formula is a different issue, and not relevant to my 11 year old.

Given that I continue to feel safe with a few servings a day of edamame, tofu, tempeh, or soy curls, and using miso regularly.

We don't do protein powders, or protein bars, or shakes.

We've also chosen other plant milks than soy just to vary the protein in her diet.

We do like soy sauce, but that's not something we added to our diets due to veganism.

You are absolutely right. It’s actually very good for women, young and old, to consume soy daily.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks everyone, I wanted to come back to a few things.

One is that I read here people saying that fat and protein are issues, but when I put the data for what she eats into the cronometer app, it comes back at high levels for those two nutrients.

The place where I had more the most trouble getting enough in were iron, calcium, and vitamin D (although my kids are already on vitamin D supplements on the advice of the Dr.). I could get those two in, but I had to move things around, and I feel like when I tried to follow the recommendation to serve iron rich foods at meals with no dairy substitutes, I had more of an issue.

Any suggestions on those two nutrients?

Also, someone mentioned concerns with soy. Can you elaborate?

Soy milk and processed, non fermented soy products like soy milk are full of estrogen.

I thought this was common knowledge.

A vegan, or anyone with children, dhould know this.

Fermented soy like miso and soy sauce are not a problem. Processed soy is.

Someone should alert Asia!!!

Asia uses a ton of pork, eggs, fish, seafood and chicken broth in just about every meal.

They also eat eggs daily (asian breakfast, anyone?) And they do not drink soy milk or fake overprocessed vegan "meat" products.. Their yogurt is dairy based. The asian diet is sooooo far from vegan, even if they eat a lot more veggies than the typical American.

There is no single “Asian” diet. There certain are diets in Asian that are vegan. Look at Jain diets and Buddhist Temple food.

But the post about Asian food was in response to the statement that soy is bad for you. Several Asian diets, notably Japanese are high is soy, and also associated with long lives, which is what the PP was pointing out.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

If you have ever been engorged with breast milk, you will know that milking cows is actually a positive for them.

Explain this to your daughter. This is a no brainer.

If someone forced you to become pregnant, then forcibly removed your baby from you, and you became engorged, if they offered you a breast pump we wouldn't call that a "cruelty free" experience.

(Note: I drink milk. I serve my other kids milk. But to argue that there isn't cruelty in the dairy industry because that one step isn't cruel is bizarre)

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

Your raising a smart little girl..When I was 11, I didn’t even know what vegan even meant. All I wanted to do was eat candy & watch cartoons.