Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.

NP. Yes, it does cut both ways, but I don't know why you waste so much energy of your own energy as a moderator enforcing your arbitrary rule. Newspapers publish obituaries that contain both negative and positive information about the deceased's life as soon as the obituary is available. I am a big fan of Rob Reiner and it wouldn't have made a difference on DCUM to have read posts by someone who hated him, since they'd post the same content after 48 hours anyway. Our own President posted nasty (and false) things about Rob Reiner before 48 hours had passed, and that saddened me far more that no one thought to moderate him.

This. Newspapers don't shy away from covering reality. And the rule has been enforced selectively with terrible speculate about Reiner flying around on this forum. Letting conspiracy run while hiding racism of people like Bardot and Kirk is 100% taking sides.

I am not sure what you are talking about because during the first 48 hours I was removing negative posts about Reiner like crazy. It even generated several complaints.

Comparing DCUM to a newspaper is apples and oranges. I view DCUM as a community. When someone dies, there will be community members who want to mourn that person. I don't think that they should have to put up with a deluge of negative posts that take away from their ability to grieve. I am much more understanding of the person who is overly sensitive to a death than I am to the haters who can't wait even two days to attack someone.

i am really disappointed in those of you who appear to be liberal but lack basic empathy. When did you all lose your humanity?

It’s the paradox of tolerance, it’s allowing a false narrative to dominate and overtake the truth. These are public people, and Bardot was an extremist who contributed to the roiling hatred France has to face now. I think it’s a moral wrong to allow her to be painted as an angel because she was also an animal rights activist. I’m sure we’ve all seen the photographs of SS officers and camp guards looking attractive and wholesome while they picnic or play with their children. Forbidding discussion of the whole person is like holding up one of those photos and pretending there isn’t a bigger, darker, important truth to understand.

I would never encourage people to brigade a memorial page set up by someone’s family, but this is a public website and protecting the image of celebrities so fans don’t have to know that a star they liked was a racist agitator or whatever the case may be feels wrong. What happens when Roman Polanski dies? He produced some great art, he suffered a terrible tragedy, but he was a violent rapist. Will we need to keep silent about that? We are talking about facts here, not gossip or appearance critiques.

I don’t think telling the truth about public figures demonstrates a lack of empathy. Protecting their image might not be empathetic to their victims. I think you have a kind heart Jeff, but I disagree with this rule. I will follow it (and I apologize for times I may have broken it because I thought it was 24 hours).

You should probably get over to the thread about the Dilbert creator who just died. Apparently he was a racist too.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.

NP. Yes, it does cut both ways, but I don't know why you waste so much energy of your own energy as a moderator enforcing your arbitrary rule. Newspapers publish obituaries that contain both negative and positive information about the deceased's life as soon as the obituary is available. I am a big fan of Rob Reiner and it wouldn't have made a difference on DCUM to have read posts by someone who hated him, since they'd post the same content after 48 hours anyway. Our own President posted nasty (and false) things about Rob Reiner before 48 hours had passed, and that saddened me far more that no one thought to moderate him.

This. Newspapers don't shy away from covering reality. And the rule has been enforced selectively with terrible speculate about Reiner flying around on this forum. Letting conspiracy run while hiding racism of people like Bardot and Kirk is 100% taking sides.

I am not sure what you are talking about because during the first 48 hours I was removing negative posts about Reiner like crazy. It even generated several complaints.

Comparing DCUM to a newspaper is apples and oranges. I view DCUM as a community. When someone dies, there will be community members who want to mourn that person. I don't think that they should have to put up with a deluge of negative posts that take away from their ability to grieve. I am much more understanding of the person who is overly sensitive to a death than I am to the haters who can't wait even two days to attack someone.

i am really disappointed in those of you who appear to be liberal but lack basic empathy. When did you all lose your humanity?

It’s the paradox of tolerance, it’s allowing a false narrative to dominate and overtake the truth. These are public people, and Bardot was an extremist who contributed to the roiling hatred France has to face now. I think it’s a moral wrong to allow her to be painted as an angel because she was also an animal rights activist. I’m sure we’ve all seen the photographs of SS officers and camp guards looking attractive and wholesome while they picnic or play with their children. Forbidding discussion of the whole person is like holding up one of those photos and pretending there isn’t a bigger, darker, important truth to understand.

I would never encourage people to brigade a memorial page set up by someone’s family, but this is a public website and protecting the image of celebrities so fans don’t have to know that a star they liked was a racist agitator or whatever the case may be feels wrong. What happens when Roman Polanski dies? He produced some great art, he suffered a terrible tragedy, but he was a violent rapist. Will we need to keep silent about that? We are talking about facts here, not gossip or appearance critiques.

I don’t think telling the truth about public figures demonstrates a lack of empathy. Protecting their image might not be empathetic to their victims. I think you have a kind heart Jeff, but I disagree with this rule. I will follow it (and I apologize for times I may have broken it because I thought it was 24 hours).

Anonymous wrote:Never was a fan. I also don't think she was that attractive compared to say Deneuve

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.

NP. Yes, it does cut both ways, but I don't know why you waste so much energy of your own energy as a moderator enforcing your arbitrary rule. Newspapers publish obituaries that contain both negative and positive information about the deceased's life as soon as the obituary is available. I am a big fan of Rob Reiner and it wouldn't have made a difference on DCUM to have read posts by someone who hated him, since they'd post the same content after 48 hours anyway. Our own President posted nasty (and false) things about Rob Reiner before 48 hours had passed, and that saddened me far more that no one thought to moderate him.

This. Newspapers don't shy away from covering reality. And the rule has been enforced selectively with terrible speculate about Reiner flying around on this forum. Letting conspiracy run while hiding racism of people like Bardot and Kirk is 100% taking sides.

I am not sure what you are talking about because during the first 48 hours I was removing negative posts about Reiner like crazy. It even generated several complaints.

Comparing DCUM to a newspaper is apples and oranges. I view DCUM as a community. When someone dies, there will be community members who want to mourn that person. I don't think that they should have to put up with a deluge of negative posts that take away from their ability to grieve. I am much more understanding of the person who is overly sensitive to a death than I am to the haters who can't wait even two days to attack someone.

i am really disappointed in those of you who appear to be liberal but lack basic empathy. When did you all lose your humanity?

It’s the paradox of tolerance, it’s allowing a false narrative to dominate and overtake the truth. These are public people, and Bardot was an extremist who contributed to the roiling hatred France has to face now. I think it’s a moral wrong to allow her to be painted as an angel because she was also an animal rights activist. I’m sure we’ve all seen the photographs of SS officers and camp guards looking attractive and wholesome while they picnic or play with their children. Forbidding discussion of the whole person is like holding up one of those photos and pretending there isn’t a bigger, darker, important truth to understand.

I would never encourage people to brigade a memorial page set up by someone’s family, but this is a public website and protecting the image of celebrities so fans don’t have to know that a star they liked was a racist agitator or whatever the case may be feels wrong. What happens when Roman Polanski dies? He produced some great art, he suffered a terrible tragedy, but he was a violent rapist. Will we need to keep silent about that? We are talking about facts here, not gossip or appearance critiques.

I don’t think telling the truth about public figures demonstrates a lack of empathy. Protecting their image might not be empathetic to their victims. I think you have a kind heart Jeff, but I disagree with this rule. I will follow it (and I apologize for times I may have broken it because I thought it was 24 hours).

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.

NP. Yes, it does cut both ways, but I don't know why you waste so much energy of your own energy as a moderator enforcing your arbitrary rule. Newspapers publish obituaries that contain both negative and positive information about the deceased's life as soon as the obituary is available. I am a big fan of Rob Reiner and it wouldn't have made a difference on DCUM to have read posts by someone who hated him, since they'd post the same content after 48 hours anyway. Our own President posted nasty (and false) things about Rob Reiner before 48 hours had passed, and that saddened me far more that no one thought to moderate him.

This. Newspapers don't shy away from covering reality. And the rule has been enforced selectively with terrible speculate about Reiner flying around on this forum. Letting conspiracy run while hiding racism of people like Bardot and Kirk is 100% taking sides.

I am not sure what you are talking about because during the first 48 hours I was removing negative posts about Reiner like crazy. It even generated several complaints.

Comparing DCUM to a newspaper is apples and oranges. I view DCUM as a community. When someone dies, there will be community members who want to mourn that person. I don't think that they should have to put up with a deluge of negative posts that take away from their ability to grieve. I am much more understanding of the person who is overly sensitive to a death than I am to the haters who can't wait even two days to attack someone.

i am really disappointed in those of you who appear to be liberal but lack basic empathy. When did you all lose your humanity?

It’s the paradox of tolerance, it’s allowing a false narrative to dominate and overtake the truth. These are public people, and Bardot was an extremist who contributed to the roiling hatred France has to face now. I think it’s a moral wrong to allow her to be painted as an angel because she was also an animal rights activist. I’m sure we’ve all seen the photographs of SS officers and camp guards looking attractive and wholesome while they picnic or play with their children. Forbidding discussion of the whole person is like holding up one of those photos and pretending there isn’t a bigger, darker, important truth to understand.

I would never encourage people to brigade a memorial page set up by someone’s family, but this is a public website and protecting the image of celebrities so fans don’t have to know that a star they liked was a racist agitator or whatever the case may be feels wrong. What happens when Roman Polanski dies? He produced some great art, he suffered a terrible tragedy, but he was a violent rapist. Will we need to keep silent about that? We are talking about facts here, not gossip or appearance critiques.

I don’t think telling the truth about public figures demonstrates a lack of empathy. Protecting their image might not be empathetic to their victims. I think you have a kind heart Jeff, but I disagree with this rule. I will follow it (and I apologize for times I may have broken it because I thought it was 24 hours).

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.

NP. Yes, it does cut both ways, but I don't know why you waste so much energy of your own energy as a moderator enforcing your arbitrary rule. Newspapers publish obituaries that contain both negative and positive information about the deceased's life as soon as the obituary is available. I am a big fan of Rob Reiner and it wouldn't have made a difference on DCUM to have read posts by someone who hated him, since they'd post the same content after 48 hours anyway. Our own President posted nasty (and false) things about Rob Reiner before 48 hours had passed, and that saddened me far more that no one thought to moderate him.

This. Newspapers don't shy away from covering reality. And the rule has been enforced selectively with terrible speculate about Reiner flying around on this forum. Letting conspiracy run while hiding racism of people like Bardot and Kirk is 100% taking sides.

I am not sure what you are talking about because during the first 48 hours I was removing negative posts about Reiner like crazy. It even generated several complaints.

Comparing DCUM to a newspaper is apples and oranges. I view DCUM as a community. When someone dies, there will be community members who want to mourn that person. I don't think that they should have to put up with a deluge of negative posts that take away from their ability to grieve. I am much more understanding of the person who is overly sensitive to a death than I am to the haters who can't wait even two days to attack someone.

i am really disappointed in those of you who appear to be liberal but lack basic empathy. When did you all lose your humanity?

It’s the paradox of tolerance, it’s allowing a false narrative to dominate and overtake the truth. These are public people, and Bardot was an extremist who contributed to the roiling hatred France has to face now. I think it’s a moral wrong to allow her to be painted as an angel because she was also an animal rights activist. I’m sure we’ve all seen the photographs of SS officers and camp guards looking attractive and wholesome while they picnic or play with their children. Forbidding discussion of the whole person is like holding up one of those photos and pretending there isn’t a bigger, darker, important truth to understand.

I would never encourage people to brigade a memorial page set up by someone’s family, but this is a public website and protecting the image of celebrities so fans don’t have to know that a star they liked was a racist agitator or whatever the case may be feels wrong. What happens when Roman Polanski dies? He produced some great art, he suffered a terrible tragedy, but he was a violent rapist. Will we need to keep silent about that? We are talking about facts here, not gossip or appearance critiques.

I don’t think telling the truth about public figures demonstrates a lack of empathy. Protecting their image might not be empathetic to their victims. I think you have a kind heart Jeff, but I disagree with this rule. I will follow it (and I apologize for times I may have broken it because I thought it was 24 hours).

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.

NP. Yes, it does cut both ways, but I don't know why you waste so much energy of your own energy as a moderator enforcing your arbitrary rule. Newspapers publish obituaries that contain both negative and positive information about the deceased's life as soon as the obituary is available. I am a big fan of Rob Reiner and it wouldn't have made a difference on DCUM to have read posts by someone who hated him, since they'd post the same content after 48 hours anyway. Our own President posted nasty (and false) things about Rob Reiner before 48 hours had passed, and that saddened me far more that no one thought to moderate him.

This. Newspapers don't shy away from covering reality. And the rule has been enforced selectively with terrible speculate about Reiner flying around on this forum. Letting conspiracy run while hiding racism of people like Bardot and Kirk is 100% taking sides.

I am not sure what you are talking about because during the first 48 hours I was removing negative posts about Reiner like crazy. It even generated several complaints.

Comparing DCUM to a newspaper is apples and oranges. I view DCUM as a community. When someone dies, there will be community members who want to mourn that person. I don't think that they should have to put up with a deluge of negative posts that take away from their ability to grieve. I am much more understanding of the person who is overly sensitive to a death than I am to the haters who can't wait even two days to attack someone.

i am really disappointed in those of you who appear to be liberal but lack basic empathy. When did you all lose your humanity?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Jeff you've gone silent, which I notice is what you do when you're critiqued in a way that you simply cannot defend.

That's a great shame.

Shut up and go away you freaking loser.

Her posts were polite and well-reasoned. All of them.

Well-reasoned is a stretch. Claiming she wouldn't mind if people criticized Reiner within 48 hours, and is sad when Trump criticized Reiner during that interval and wasn't censored. That's inconsistent. And more importantly, Jeff doesn't run X, formerly known as Twitter.

I wrote that post and unfortunately you were not able to understand it. It doesn’t affect me much when people criticize Reiner because I don’t care what anonymous people on DCUM say about a celebrity that I admired. People get meaner behind the veil of anonymity and say all sorts of things on DCUM that I would hope they wouldn’t say in real life.

I do care when the President of the United States mounts a public malicious attack on our the Reiners after their death, because then I have to explain to my children why their fellow Americans chose to elect a person who speaks in a way that is both mean and factually inaccurate, and that no one around him had the guts to correct or stop him.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Jeff you've gone silent, which I notice is what you do when you're critiqued in a way that you simply cannot defend.

That's a great shame.

Shut up and go away you freaking loser.

Her posts were polite and well-reasoned. All of them.

Well-reasoned is a stretch. Claiming she wouldn't mind if people criticized Reiner within 48 hours, and is sad when Trump criticized Reiner during that interval and wasn't censored. That's inconsistent. And more importantly, Jeff doesn't run X, formerly known as Twitter.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.

NP. Yes, it does cut both ways, but I don't know why you waste so much energy of your own energy as a moderator enforcing your arbitrary rule. Newspapers publish obituaries that contain both negative and positive information about the deceased's life as soon as the obituary is available. I am a big fan of Rob Reiner and it wouldn't have made a difference on DCUM to have read posts by someone who hated him, since they'd post the same content after 48 hours anyway. Our own President posted nasty (and false) things about Rob Reiner before 48 hours had passed, and that saddened me far more that no one thought to moderate him.

This. Newspapers don't shy away from covering reality. And the rule has been enforced selectively with terrible speculate about Reiner flying around on this forum. Letting conspiracy run while hiding racism of people like Bardot and Kirk is 100% taking sides.

I am not sure what you are talking about because during the first 48 hours I was removing negative posts about Reiner like crazy. It even generated several complaints.

Comparing DCUM to a newspaper is apples and oranges. I view DCUM as a community. When someone dies, there will be community members who want to mourn that person. I don't think that they should have to put up with a deluge of negative posts that take away from their ability to grieve. I am much more understanding of the person who is overly sensitive to a death than I am to the haters who can't wait even two days to attack someone.

i am really disappointed in those of you who appear to be liberal but lack basic empathy. When did you all lose your humanity?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.

NP. Yes, it does cut both ways, but I don't know why you waste so much energy of your own energy as a moderator enforcing your arbitrary rule. Newspapers publish obituaries that contain both negative and positive information about the deceased's life as soon as the obituary is available. I am a big fan of Rob Reiner and it wouldn't have made a difference on DCUM to have read posts by someone who hated him, since they'd post the same content after 48 hours anyway. Our own President posted nasty (and false) things about Rob Reiner before 48 hours had passed, and that saddened me far more that no one thought to moderate him.

This. Newspapers don't shy away from covering reality. And the rule has been enforced selectively with terrible speculate about Reiner flying around on this forum. Letting conspiracy run while hiding racism of people like Bardot and Kirk is 100% taking sides.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Jeff you've gone silent, which I notice is what you do when you're critiqued in a way that you simply cannot defend.

That's a great shame.

Shut up and go away you freaking loser.

Her posts were polite and well-reasoned. All of them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Jeff you've gone silent, which I notice is what you do when you're critiqued in a way that you simply cannot defend.

That's a great shame.

Shut up and go away you freaking loser.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people calling a blatant racist an angel for 48 hours and you deleting rebuttal makes your forum look welcoming to white supremacy.

If you make a welcoming space for people to wax peoric about racists with no rebuttal, you're taking a side. It's not a good look.

Remember the Nazi bar rules you make it welcoming to a certain group, it's going to get hostile to everyone else.

If you think that I am running a Nazi bar you are delusional. The 48 hour rule cuts both ways. When Rob Reiner and his wife were killed, I spent two days dealing with complaints by conservatives that I was removing their posts. Do you really think that fans of Reiner should have had to put up with posters saying that he deserved it? There is very little grace in the world today and all that I ask is that two days go by before every death is treated like a carcass being ripped to shreds by hyenas.