Anonymous wrote:What motivates people to BE strung along for years?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most men prefer to take the path of least resistance. Men take part in marriage, kids, Christmas and birthday celebrations, decorating, homeownership/renovations, parties with extended family, because women (either their mothers or wives) prod them to.
It's why men tend to do their best in highly structured environments, like the military. The self-starter entrepreneur types are rare.
So if women didn’t prod them, what would they do on their own accord? Am curious.
Maybe this feeds in to the current failure to launch male crisis.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just read the thread about the 26yo whose 34yo boyfriend still hasn’t proposed after 3 years of dating and it has got me thinking about why men do this.
I know many women who’ve experienced this. The guy would always know that his girlfriend wants commitment and he knew he wasn’t planning to her give her that, yet, would continue to date her and waste years of her time.
Why aren’t they just upfront about their intentions and end the relationship?
As I get older I see that women don't give themselves enough agency. That can always leave when they are not getting what they want. No need to be a victim.
We also give men too much credit for having a 'motivation'. They generally have no idea what they are doing.
This is the best nugget of wisdom in this thread. Most men have zero clue what women want and can’t articulate their own feelings.
It took me way too long to go after what I wanted. Prior to my now-wife, I was sliding in and out of relationships that were not right for me. I’d stay way too long because that was the easiest thing to do. I had zero clue what I was doing with life.
-A Man
Bottom line, this is a simple communication problem. If a woman wants a proposal, either propose yourself, or ask your man to propose to you. If he says he doesn't know or isn't ready, figure out a time period that you are willing to wait, and tell him to figure it out by that date. If he hasn't figured it out, move on. The man that wants to be with you will figure it out immediately, because that will be one of the most important questions in his life at that time.
Women are explicitly told NOT to give ultimatums like this. I can never figure out why.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just read the thread about the 26yo whose 34yo boyfriend still hasn’t proposed after 3 years of dating and it has got me thinking about why men do this.
I know many women who’ve experienced this. The guy would always know that his girlfriend wants commitment and he knew he wasn’t planning to her give her that, yet, would continue to date her and waste years of her time.
Why aren’t they just upfront about their intentions and end the relationship?
As I get older I see that women don't give themselves enough agency. That can always leave when they are not getting what they want. No need to be a victim.
We also give men too much credit for having a 'motivation'. They generally have no idea what they are doing.
Because it looks desperate and non-credible. Anyome with leverage would just walk away.
This is the best nugget of wisdom in this thread. Most men have zero clue what women want and can’t articulate their own feelings.
It took me way too long to go after what I wanted. Prior to my now-wife, I was sliding in and out of relationships that were not right for me. I’d stay way too long because that was the easiest thing to do. I had zero clue what I was doing with life.
-A Man
Bottom line, this is a simple communication problem. If a woman wants a proposal, either propose yourself, or ask your man to propose to you. If he says he doesn't know or isn't ready, figure out a time period that you are willing to wait, and tell him to figure it out by that date. If he hasn't figured it out, move on. The man that wants to be with you will figure it out immediately, because that will be one of the most important questions in his life at that time.
Women are explicitly told NOT to give ultimatums like this. I can never figure out why.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just read the thread about the 26yo whose 34yo boyfriend still hasn’t proposed after 3 years of dating and it has got me thinking about why men do this.
I know many women who’ve experienced this. The guy would always know that his girlfriend wants commitment and he knew he wasn’t planning to her give her that, yet, would continue to date her and waste years of her time.
Why aren’t they just upfront about their intentions and end the relationship?
As I get older I see that women don't give themselves enough agency. That can always leave when they are not getting what they want. No need to be a victim.
We also give men too much credit for having a 'motivation'. They generally have no idea what they are doing.
This is the best nugget of wisdom in this thread. Most men have zero clue what women want and can’t articulate their own feelings.
It took me way too long to go after what I wanted. Prior to my now-wife, I was sliding in and out of relationships that were not right for me. I’d stay way too long because that was the easiest thing to do. I had zero clue what I was doing with life.
-A Man
Bottom line, this is a simple communication problem. If a woman wants a proposal, either propose yourself, or ask your man to propose to you. If he says he doesn't know or isn't ready, figure out a time period that you are willing to wait, and tell him to figure it out by that date. If he hasn't figured it out, move on. The man that wants to be with you will figure it out immediately, because that will be one of the most important questions in his life at that time.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most men prefer to take the path of least resistance. Men take part in marriage, kids, Christmas and birthday celebrations, decorating, homeownership/renovations, parties with extended family, because women (either their mothers or wives) prod them to.
It's why men tend to do their best in highly structured environments, like the military. The self-starter entrepreneur types are rare.
So if women didn’t prod them, what would they do on their own accord? Am curious.
Maybe this feeds in to the current failure to launch male crisis.
Anonymous wrote:Why do so many women want to get married, still — still — given how bad marriage is for most women. I feel like there is a disconnect here that needs to be fixed. It’s just accepted without any thought. And then they go campaigning to get married and blame their boyfriends for stringing them along, etc.
The institution is broken. Give up. You have a preview of the future right in front of you with your indecisive boyfriend. Men are not going to help you with your mental load. They’re going to feign incompetence so you have to do the summer camps and Christmas and the birthday parties and every single other thing you haven’t specifically asked them to do. You’re on your own whether you are married or not. Stop being so pathetic and begging a man for something you are going to hate. You’re not doing him any favors either.
Anonymous wrote:Most men prefer to take the path of least resistance. Men take part in marriage, kids, Christmas and birthday celebrations, decorating, homeownership/renovations, parties with extended family, because women (either their mothers or wives) prod them to.
It's why men tend to do their best in highly structured environments, like the military. The self-starter entrepreneur types are rare.
Anonymous wrote:Living together without marrying is about the absolute best deal there is in the universe for men.
You get to have sex without a definitive commitment. You got tons of free call options on sex. It is stupid to throw that away. It is literally throwing money away.
Anonymous wrote:What motivates people to BE strung along for years?
Anonymous wrote:I just read the thread about the 26yo whose 34yo boyfriend still hasn’t proposed after 3 years of dating and it has got me thinking about why men do this.
I know many women who’ve experienced this. The guy would always know that his girlfriend wants commitment and he knew he wasn’t planning to her give her that, yet, would continue to date her and waste years of her time.
Why aren’t they just upfront about their intentions and end the relationship?